simonsez Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 if the TRUTH is not revealed by tommorow, it will be on this thread...tune in tommorow kids.... :reading: ...the new WIZARD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUILDIN_TRUCKS Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 if the TRUTH is not revealed by tommorow, it will be on this thread...tune in tommorow kids.... :reading: ...the new WIZARD Wow....that is incredibly vague! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRasey Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Yeah ,I have a feeling we might need to get the KY jelly back out soon....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DISGRUNTAL Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Yeah ,I have a feeling we might need to get the KY jelly back out soon....... No need for KY this time, I have had a cork surgically implanted this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipedope Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 No need for KY this time, I have had a cork surgically implanted this time. I just got a new tattoo. It Reads "EXIT ONLY!" Now I just hope they can read. :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deflep1 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The change Obama refers to is a change to Socialism, where government controls big business. Tres. Sec. Tim Geintner wants new power to dissolve private businesses if they are deemed to be a "systemic risk" to the economy. Not banks, but any business that he thinks could hurt the economy if they aren't doing as well as he thinks. Goodbye constitution, goodbye rights, the government is going to interfere with every aspect of our lives that they can. Obama wants more concessions from all parties involved, even possible wage concessions. Unions supported him and got him elected, and now he wants the unions to give up even more. Michelle Obama did say during the campaign "In Obama's America you may have to give up a little piece of your pie so that others could have a piece." I guess our piece is getting smaller. Socialism punishes success and rewards failure. I've told people for 2 years that we were heading towards Socialism. I didn't think it would happen in a 2 month period, but Obama, Pelosi & Reed work very fast. I pray for America and all our hard workers. If GM has to lower its wages to get loan money, Ford will demand the same, saying GM has an unfair competitive advantage. The UAW has parity in our contracts. What we have, GM & Chrysler have. We haven't taken any money, although we did open a line of credit worth billions. We will get penalized for doing better and not taking money, because the govenment will still expect all the Big 3 to take a pay cut. We are in big trouble people. Some on this site say those of us telling the truth on what's coming are yelling chicken little---well the sky IS falling!!!!!! We claim solidarity in the union, but we need solidarity with our fellow Americans! It's WE THE PEOPLE..... not we the govenment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 if the TRUTH is not revealed by tommorow, it will be on this thread...tune in tommorow kids.... :reading: ...the new WIZARD are you lying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGER66 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The uaw told me to vote for this clown, they couldnt be wrong could they? give it a couple more years and they will be begging for George Bush back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsez Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 are you lying? http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19041746/detail.html this is only the tip of the iceberg...this is going to be aggressive and quick, more to follow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi Ho Silver Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The change Obama refers to is a change to Socialism, where government controls big business. Tres. Sec. Tim Geintner wants new power to dissolve private businesses if they are deemed to be a "systemic risk" to the economy. Not banks, but any business that he thinks could hurt the economy if they aren't doing as well as he thinks. Goodbye constitution, goodbye rights, the government is going to interfere with every aspect of our lives that they can. Obama wants more concessions from all parties involved, even possible wage concessions. Unions supported him and got him elected, and now he wants the unions to give up even more. Michelle Obama did say during the campaign "In Obama's America you may have to give up a little piece of your pie so that others could have a piece." I guess our piece is getting smaller. Socialism punishes success and rewards failure. I've told people for 2 years that we were heading towards Socialism. I didn't think it would happen in a 2 month period, but Obama, Pelosi & Reed work very fast. I pray for America and all our hard workers. If GM has to lower its wages to get loan money, Ford will demand the same, saying GM has an unfair competitive advantage. The UAW has parity in our contracts. What we have, GM & Chrysler have. We haven't taken any money, although we did open a line of credit worth billions. We will get penalized for doing better and not taking money, because the govenment will still expect all the Big 3 to take a pay cut. We are in big trouble people. Some on this site say those of us telling the truth on what's coming are yelling chicken little---well the sky IS falling!!!!!! We claim solidarity in the union, but we need solidarity with our fellow Americans! It's WE THE PEOPLE..... not we the govenment! Unless you wrote his friggin speech he will read today at 10:30, how about we wait and hear what he has to say before you you start your predictions of Socialism? It's about a 2 1/2 hour wait, do you think you can stand it? Geez. What are the lottery numbers tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD4EMAN Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Im neither a dem or rep but we are about to get some Government weenie. They all hate us because we stand for workers rights and what is fair. The press feeds that fire daily in Cincinnati and Im sure everywhere else. Yes the union wanted us to vote for Obama, but only the uninformed vote blindly! union also said vote for these contract changes. How many voted for Obama and did not vote for changes to the contract? Ask yourself that question Obama supporters. Grab your boots brothers and sisters we are in for some serious poop! Wage cuts will come. Thats Change you can count on! Share the wealth! Be patriotic and pay your poor brothers tax share! Can you say socialistic thinking!! If you think management in your plant are making bad decisions just think how many of those "thinkers" are running our government! Scares me to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 lol.....its all Obama's fault... we lost more rights with the patronizing act than all the supposed leftwing presidents combined. Oh, yeah we didn't need those rights. Income tax and social security are the biggest freedom grabs. Nationalizing corporations is the last feather in the duck, Comrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnut69 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 now thats some funny Sh!t. you know its funny how little most people understand about socialism and what is and what isn't socialistic. Now i myself am close to being a socialist, so i'm light years left of Obama and just slightly right of Chomskys so i have a pretty good idea of what that entails and America under Obama isn't even close to it. I would have thought that those with rightleaning free market tendencies would be more understanding of the situation and the current methods used to resovle the problem. while i hate to see the government start dictating wages and other issues like that, i do in fact like the fact as a taxpayer that any money given to GM and Chrysler would be given under strict conditions. so its not laisse faire capitalism, that doesn't make it socialist. Beside their have always been stipulations to subsidies and don't think that the right hasn't sudsdizied the Sh!T outta things. Its not fair to suggest that when a dem gives subsidies that its sociakist but its not when a rightwinger does. trim for a change step outta the narrow bondaries that define your beliefs and see the whole picture. youre absolutely right. what is happening now isnt socialist at all. there are a lot of socialist aspects to our democratic republic.things like ssi,medicare,etc. things that most of us would say are good. over the years we have managed to operate a capitalist system all the while maintaining,if you will,the best parts of socialism. what is happening now with the banks,with g.m. and chrysler,is actually,at least by benito mussolini's definition(and he was a man who would know!!!!) fascism.marriage of corporation and government.i bet a dollar against a dime you dont even know who i am talking about. anyone else see humor in the fact that so many called bush a fascist,and now with actual fascism getting started,noone seems to notice?? as a sidenote: the patriot act did nothing that changed my day to day life,although i was,and am against it. a democrat signed into law a gun ban that even though it expired in 2003 still impacts the gun market til this day. well at least until obama got elected and people started buying guns like there is no tomorrow.the reason why is because that "freedom loving leftist" as a senator voted for every single piece of gun control legislation introduced during his short time in the senate. none of the famous"present" votes on that issue.are you aware that now even in states that issue ccdw permits ,even if you have the permit,its not valid in a national park?? its an executive order,by obama. what fucking sense does that make? are ccdw holders commiting crimes in nat. parks? has anyone anywhere been shot by a ccdw holder in a nat. park ever????sure a guardian of freedom like obama wouldnt have done this for no reason???lol lmao. im gonna go puke now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Who would have thought that the spirit of Ronald Reagan would be reborn in a man name Barack Hussien Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtjay69 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 i think all those in gov. are out to kill the union . i dont know why we still support them with our $$$$. i have no faith in the president with all i learned over the last year we the people are gonna pay dearly for this mistake. the union is so worried about the raise the just got and their double retirement they forgot about what them boys did and went through on that bridge on miller rd. years ago. live to fight another day? i say fight for today for there is no promise of tomarrow. those in charge just want us to be under their boot like the nazis did back in wwII THINGS WONT QUIT .people in this country need to band together and fight back.watch how your rights are gonna disappear its a begining to the end if we dont stand up.(we got to get up and move to get somewhere people).those in charge want us to to be in a spot where they got us , how many people are losing their homes ,cars,whatever ,its not right as long as they have their $ eating steak & lobster going to their 2nd or 3rd homes. wanting us to give give & give up everything im just sick of how they treat all of us.this whole country is turning into a rich mans garage sell.the president broke his promise to the uaw i hope all eyes are open now . peace to my union brothers & sisters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CourtJester Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 (edited) People who don't understand socialism fear it. France functions quite well and they are a socialist based country with a capital base. People confuse Socialism with Communism and they aren't the same category. If GM and Chrysler want the government to bail them out, they need to do what is asked. It's not socialism, it's the right thing to do if they want my tax dollars. Edited March 30, 2009 by CourtJester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMoVisteon Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) i think all those in gov. are out to kill the union . i dont know why we still support them with our $$$$. i have no faith in the president with all i learned over the last year we the people are gonna pay dearly for this mistake. the union is so worried about the raise the just got and their double retirement they forgot about what them boys did and went through on that bridge on miller rd. years ago. live to fight another day? i say fight for today for there is no promise of tomarrow. those in charge just want us to be under their boot like the nazis did back in wwII THINGS WONT QUIT .people in this country need to band together and fight back.watch how your rights are gonna disappear its a begining to the end if we dont stand up.(we got to get up and move to get somewhere people).those in charge want us to to be in a spot where they got us , how many people are losing their homes ,cars,whatever ,its not right as long as they have their $ eating steak & lobster going to their 2nd or 3rd homes. wanting us to give give & give up everything im just sick of how they treat all of us.this whole country is turning into a rich mans garage sell.the president broke his promise to the uaw i hope all eyes are open now . peace to my union brothers & sisters If this destruction of the middle class keeps on going like it is, if I were one of these arrogant motherfuckers that sits in political office in Washington D.C., I would be afraid of reprisals. Very Afraid! From not only the voters but from those who have lost a lot of their rights and whatever they had worked for all their lives. Can you say American Revolution Pt 2??? It is a lot closer than you may think!!! Edited March 31, 2009 by NoMoVisteon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD4EMAN Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Websters defines socialism as....... Main Entry: so·cial·ism Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\ Function: noun Date: 1837 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done NOTE NUMBER 3 Says it all I think!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvcpicker Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I have been on here many times bashing president bam, however i do not have any opinion yet on this move. I did not vote for bam but i NEED him to succeed. The people on here who cover EVERYTHING bam does are just kool aid drinkers. They would go to the ends of the earth to defend their guy! I wonder why when these were the same people beating on bush at every step. By the way , bush deserved some of it, when this is over (bam) will make bush look like washington! I love the people who NEVER gave a shit about politics now rush on here to defend their guy! These were the same people who only spoke to bash the Other presidents and call the country unjust. But NOW we should get behind bam and link arms for the good of the country!!! What! Where was this for the last couple hundred years! This man is risking alot with his strategies, from coddleing Iran and praising hamas , to giving up strategic arms to get russia to "talk" , to taking over gm and remaking companies to his whims! I know , the bam jammers are gonna fly off the handle because i am just a republican , or a bush apologist right! Im neither , i just point out the obvious and sometimes that hurts! Bush made mistakes and caused alot of problems, no doubt. But dont tell me the sky isnt blue when all i have to do is look up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvcpicker Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 What did the carrot get us with clinton????? 911 :shades: This plan will backfire because the people bent on our destruction will happily use fools to build up and then wipe us out. They dont drive hybrids and sip latte's they want what we have and will fight for it and wont care what we think. Lets see what the feather gets us.......... All opinions are meant in the spirit of debate and ignorance!! :reading: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvcpicker Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 debate NOT ignorance .....sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvcpicker Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 :reading: I agree the stick cannot be the only method of approach, however we have used this approach in the middle east and what did it get us? Nothing. The world is envious of the united states and thinks we need to be taken down a peg. NOT because of Bush , Clinton , Reagan or even obama.....Because we are strong , economically , militarily , and socially. Our business around the world is world class and usually leads the way and not always with a feather , sometimes we use the hammer to get what we want . I think it is naive of us to think that we will understand ,yet solve problems that are thousands of years old. We must continue dialouge but if you think this is something other than distingusihing himslef (obama) from Bush your naive. Not meant argumentively just the truth as i see it brother. In the real world force is used everyday. whether it be harsh economic deals , espionage , outright military movements and strong political positions designed to strengthen the us. Do you think the u.n. will suddenly help us out now? Come on , we have very few backers out there and can trust only half of them. Somewhere in between is the commonsense approach. I dont back obama's current stand without some stick ya know? Anyway , keep hittin me back on my posts , at least you are passionate and think your statements through!! Dialouge is the key right........ :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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