new apprentices at the Rouge

[leftski]

They are classified as Machine repair....period! I was told that they could go back to Ypsi as pipefitters if they would like!! So before you go off 1/2 cocked please have all the info!! The are classidied Machine repair and I was told that they have a choice to remain machine repair or transfer back to Ypsi as pipefitters....they are not going to be taking a new date into Machine Repair....they are already classified as machine repairman!! There is not anyone refusing to allow them to be pipefitters....they just have to go back to ypsi, just like prior to transfering to Rawsonville as pipefitters, but they are classified Machine Repair and will not be apprentices!!

 

I do not go off half cocked with statements that are untrue. As of 7:00 AM this morning both of them are still not working as Machine Repair and no determination has been made as to what trade they will be working at. A good friend of mine, who happens to work at the Rouge as a MR, talked to one of them today. The same one that put in a request to return to Ypsi as a Pipefitter and was denied. As for your statement that they are Machine Repair We'll let you believe that. When I got into trades years ago it took an apprenticeship and 8 years experience in that classification to be awarded a UAW journeyperson card. Guess you don't need that anymore. The bids were for 14 Journeyman MR's, both of them do not possess MR cards.

[meuaw]

not sure it happened but a few years ago that was the scuttlebutt! :shades:

There has always been talk of it at contract time, but it has not happened as of yet. there are still welders.

[Pioneer]

You forgot to mention that those poor electricians are also egregiously underpaid!

 

Don't bite your nails!

[arkansashog]

Don't bite your nails!

Ha Ha, I am letting them grow. Too bad I haven't lost my sense of smell.

[Captain723]

I do not go off half cocked with statements that are untrue. As of 7:00 AM this morning both of them are still not working as Machine Repair and no determination has been made as to what trade they will be working at. A good friend of mine, who happens to work at the Rouge as a MR, talked to one of them today. The same one that put in a request to return to Ypsi as a Pipefitter and was denied. As for your statement that they are Machine Repair We'll let you believe that. When I got into trades years ago it took an apprenticeship and 8 years experience in that classification to be awarded a UAW journeyperson card. Guess you don't need that anymore. The bids were for 14 Journeyman MR's, both of them do not possess MR cards.

What are they classified....they work at whatever they are classified!!! You can count on this....they will be MR at the rouge, not apprentices.....count on it, unless they make a ruling to allow them to return to Ypsi, but that would be voluntary on their part!! By the way...if it was many years ago, you didn't need sht to get into a trade...just depended on how badly they needed them!!!

 

PS there are many journeypersons in the system that do not own UAW journeyperson cards!! Again point and time!! :shades:

[Justhefacts]

Well, technically, every other trade is a step down for Electrician.

 

That must ex plane why the other night at DTP we had an electrician busted by safety for driving the scissor lift in circles in the middle of the aisle. When asked what he was doing the leader rode up on his buggy and pointed down the main aisle at 4 more spinning in slow circles. Our electricians were putting new bulbs in the overhead lighting. Guessing they were on cloud 9....yea that must be it.

[seniority81]

Just want to let everyone know that soon there could be two new Machine Repair apprentices/ trainees working in the Rouge complex. All this while dozens of Journeyperson Machine Repair are out in the street on ILO. This is the result of our union using an outdated document called the PEG agreement to allow Hydraulic Repair to transfer into Rawsonville as Machine Repair with no training and full seniority from their old classification. Two of these new so called Journeypersons bid on and were transferred to the Rouge complex. Upon their arrival, labor relations noticed the discrepancies in their credentials and asked them what trade they were a journeyperson in. They both hold cards as Hydraulic Repair and could not prove any training or long term on the job experience as Machine Repair from Rawsonville and were not allowed to go to work there. The IUAW is negotiating a deal that would allow them to stay as trainee Machine Repair with a new date of entry in this classification while dozens of us with the proper credentials sit and wait for a legitimate opening for us. The national contract says they should be Pipefitters and from what I hear that's what they would prefer to be but the powers that be are refusing their wishes. If this is not going to be resolved properly then we should be able to bid on every skilled trades position that opens up anywhere and upon arrival at our new place of work demand training for whatever trade we bid on.

In 1984, Rawsonville adopted what is known as a PEG agreement whereby the trades Hydraulic repairman and Machine repairman were combined to create the singular trade in ford motor company known as "Machine repair specialist". Around 2004, serious talk about closing the Ypsilanti plant and transfering operations to Rawsonville became a real possibility. Talk amongst the hydraulic repairmen about combining trades with pipefitters became a common topic because most did not want to become Machine repairmen, a trade that, outside of rawsonville, did not in anyway, shape, or form , be considered a related trade.

By late 2005 and early 2006, the Union at Ypsilanti had conducted two polls of the hydraulic repairmen about combining Hydraulic and pipefitters. In both polls their was only one desenter. The union at the ypsilanti local approved the combining of the two trades and presented it to the local management and the international Uaw for approval. The management at Ypsilanti gave their blessing and it was left to international to santion it. Solidarity houses' response was to hold off on combining trades until contract talks because discussion was under way to combine trades and would be taken care of through this process.

Before this process was started, the transfer of trades to rawsonville had begun, and by june of 2006, the first of the Hydraulic repairmen was sent to Rawsonville. Citing the PEG agreement of 1984 and agreements reached between the unions at Rawsonville and Ypsilanti regarding transfer of operations to Rawsonville, the Hydraulic repairmans' classification was changed to Machine repair specialist with original Hydraulic trade senority. From that point on, even after the ratification of the national agreement combining Hydraulics and Pipefitters into the new trade of Plumber/pipefitter, and even though Ypsilanti had reclassified the remaining Hydraulic repairmen as Plumber/pipefitters, this classification was changed at rawsonville to machine repairman, with the union at rawsonville claiming past practice and stating that the PEG agreement of 1984 superceded the national agreement.

In union meetings and in talks w/local trade reps., both prior to the transfer and afterwards, the former Hydraulic repairmen were told that they would recieve formal training in the use of lathes, mills, and grinders while OJTing and following a card carrying machine repairmen on the floor. None of this became a reality. No formal traning of lathes, mills, or griners has taken place. When they were assigned to their respective areas, they were handed tickets and sent out on jobs for machine repairmen by themselves. When the maintence supervisors were told that they need a REAL machine repairman to assit them because with most of what these guys, they only thing they knew about machine repair was to call for a machine repairman, they were told to just go out and start taking things apart and see if they could fix it. The rational for this was that, after all, your a skilled tradesman. It shouldn't matter that you have no idea what your doing.

By January of this year, all but 10 machine repairmen remained on the floor at Rawsonville, the rest being sent to JSP. In late january, posting were placed for 5 Plumber/pipeftters and 14 machine repairmen for openings at the Rouge complex. When the former Hydraulic repairmen asked the HR manager at rawsonville if they could apply for the pipefitter openings, since they still held hydraulic repairman cards and had never, after asking the union repeatly since they got there for training in the classification that they were forced into and, in the case of at least one of these reclassified machine repairman, whos' classification was changed the same day he reported to JSP at Rawsonville, had never spent a day on the floor. They were told that they were now machine repairmen, that the only classification they could bid on were the machine repair openings and that the next facility they went to have to complete their training.

When the union at rawsonville was asked how this would be possible without a legitiment and well deserved outcry from REAL trained repairmen, since as part of the PEG agreement and transfer of operations agreement, we would retain our original Hydraulic trade senority and consequently would hold high senority over the majority of the REAL machine repairmen. They were told that the PEG agreement was sanctioned by international and that any new facility they were sent to was required to up hold that agreement. Still, two untrained machine repairmen one who spent 17 months ojt on the floor at rawsonville and the other who was reclassified in name only, tried to submit applications to the rouge as pipefitters and were denied. Seven weeks ago, they went to the Rouge complex as machine repair and have been in limbo ever since.

For the most part, they have been without union representation. The Rouge complex is divided into two skilled trade unions, one for tool and die/machine repair, the other representing plumber/pipefitter, millwright, and electricitons. The tool and die union doesn't want them unless they go through formal apprenticeship training, with date of entry into the apprenticeship. And nobody, including the two tradesmen caught up in this, agree that that's as it should be. The plumber/pipefitter union doesn't and hasn't had any contact with them since they are not classified as plumber/pipefitter.

In this regard, the tool and die/ machine repair union officals have not offered or contacted either of these tradesmen even though they are classified as machine repairmen. the only local union contact they've had was with the jsc rep who was part of the orginal orientation group when they got there. They have had no contact with either of these two unions since the second week they got there and sat down in a meeting w/ natioal and some of the local union officals. At this meeting it was concluded, with all the union officals in agreement that they should have been allowed to bid on plumber/pipefitter bids, they were asked if they wanted to be pipefitters or machine repair. the answer was a resounding PIPEFITTER. The union agreed and since that time, the only contact with any union representive has been at the national level. Not one local union offical has contacted either of them since.

The tool and die union, who rightfully don't want them unless formal training is completed should still be represnting these guys because through no fault of theirs, they're in this situation. They didn't and don't want to be machine repairmen. But the fact is, this is the classification their in. They didn't ask to be put in this situtation. The union chairman should have been all over solidarity house demanding that they're classifications be restored to plumber/piperfitter and that we should immed. be put on the floor in senority order per national agreement. But they've done nothing but treat these fellow union brothers as pariahs.

These two men have contacted the dtp plant manager, hr manager, bob kings office (unsuccessfully), local 600 national rep., national skilled trades rep., the cooridinator bwt the governace committee and skilled trades rep. and anybody else to try to get this resolved. The uion says the company is the one holding things up and the company says its the union.

For whatever reason, since the meeting they held the second week they got there, the national union has said that the only way they can become plumber/pipefitters is if they go back to ypsilanti, which is now formally closed and all operations have been transferred to rawsonville. They have given no explaintion why they have to go back to a closed plant. One of the tradesmen was told by Joel Goddard, rawsonville plant chairman and the person most responsible for this mess, upon his arrival at rawsonville, that because they are machine repair in name only, he would be able to bid out of jsp on pipefitter bids any where but rawsonville, then denied he said that AFTER they tried to bid out and was turned down for pipefitter.

After trying unsuccessfully four time to present a "poison pen letter" to these guys, they are still in limbo.

What's a "poison pen Letter"? It's where your present with two options, neither of which is acceptible, and forced to sign. This is the letter presented to them on wendsday 4/01/09 , but withdrawn on thursday 4/02/09 after the tradesmen refused to sign and the rouge complex hourly personell director, who said he had no idea of the contents of the letter , put it on hold so that he could contact the union and ask them why they insist on sending us to a closed plant as the only condition for returning us to our original classification as plumber/pipe fitter, and why we can't go back to rawsonville as plumber/pipefitter.

 

The national joint skilled trades governance team(njstgt) and the national job security operational effectiveness and sourcing committee (njsoesc) have agreed that employees originaly classified as plumber-pipefitter at the ypsilanti plant who subsequenly transferred to the rawsonville plant and were converted to the machine repair classification at the rawsonville plant as a result of the former PEG agreement and were either subsequently placed at other locations as a machine repair, returned to production as a result of an ILO with recall rights as machine repair or who are currently working at rawsonville as machine repair will be given a "one time" opportunity to voluntarily elect to return to the Plumber/pipefitter classification at the ypsilanti plant

 

Any employee who does not elect in writing (below) by april 3rd will be deemed to have elected to remain attheir present location in the machine repair classification and will continue to be administered in accordance with applicable contract provisions.

 

I______________________ voluntarily wish to return to my former classification as a plumber-pipefitter

 

by doing so I agree that the following provisions will apply:

I understand that by doing so I will be placed back at my previous location of ypsilanti and that I will revert to ypsilanti as my "home plant" until placed elsewhere by preferentioal placement opportunity.

 

I will be classified as a plumber-pipefitter with a date of entry seniority of________________

 

I understand that if my seniority is insufficient to be carried on the active roll at the ypsilanti plant that I will be placed at another location in accordance with applicable contract provisions.

Iundersand that this action is not retroactive,and that by voluntarily accepting this "one time" return offer beibng afforded to me, I am also waving claims against any and all opportunities that would have been previously made available to me through the preferential placement hierarchy as a plumber/pipefitter prior to this date.

 

I understand that acceptance of this agreement precludes me from any future opportunities in the preferential placement hierarchy as machine repair or any rights to return to this classification in the future.

 

futhermore, I understand this date forward only those opportunities afforded to the Plumber/pipefitter classfication will be made available to me through any job security action.

 

They are currently on hold, in limbo, with no local representation, and apparently, after seeing this letter, no representation from national either. Don't blame these guys. All they've done is follow the rules as outlined by local and national uaw reps. now they're stuck, with seniority, and most probably will be forced into ILO.

[seniority81]

In 1984, Rawsonville adopted what is known as a PEG agreement whereby the trades Hydraulic repairman and Machine repairman were combined to create the singular trade in ford motor company known as "Machine repair specialist". Around 2004, serious talk about closing the Ypsilanti plant and transfering operations to Rawsonville became a real possibility. Talk amongst the hydraulic repairmen about combining trades with pipefitters became a common topic because most did not want to become Machine repairmen, a trade that, outside of rawsonville, did not in anyway, shape, or form , be considered a related trade.

By late 2005 and early 2006, the Union at Ypsilanti had conducted two polls of the hydraulic repairmen about combining Hydraulic and pipefitters. In both polls their was only one desenter. The union at the ypsilanti local approved the combining of the two trades and presented it to the local management and the international Uaw for approval. The management at Ypsilanti gave their blessing and it was left to international to santion it. Solidarity houses' response was to hold off on combining trades until contract talks because discussion was under way to combine trades and would be taken care of through this process.

Before this process was started, the transfer of trades to rawsonville had begun, and by june of 2006, the first of the Hydraulic repairmen was sent to Rawsonville. Citing the PEG agreement of 1984 and agreements reached between the unions at Rawsonville and Ypsilanti regarding transfer of operations to Rawsonville, the Hydraulic repairmans' classification was changed to Machine repair specialist with original Hydraulic trade senority. From that point on, even after the ratification of the national agreement combining Hydraulics and Pipefitters into the new trade of Plumber/pipefitter, and even though Ypsilanti had reclassified the remaining Hydraulic repairmen as Plumber/pipefitters, this classification was changed at rawsonville to machine repairman, with the union at rawsonville claiming past practice and stating that the PEG agreement of 1984 superceded the national agreement.

In union meetings and in talks w/local trade reps., both prior to the transfer and afterwards, the former Hydraulic repairmen were told that they would recieve formal training in the use of lathes, mills, and grinders while OJTing and following a card carrying machine repairmen on the floor. None of this became a reality. No formal traning of lathes, mills, or griners has taken place. When they were assigned to their respective areas, they were handed tickets and sent out on jobs for machine repairmen by themselves. When the maintence supervisors were told that they need a REAL machine repairman to assit them because with most of what these guys, they only thing they knew about machine repair was to call for a machine repairman, they were told to just go out and start taking things apart and see if they could fix it. The rational for this was that, after all, your a skilled tradesman. It shouldn't matter that you have no idea what your doing.

By January of this year, all but 10 machine repairmen remained on the floor at Rawsonville, the rest being sent to JSP. In late january, posting were placed for 5 Plumber/pipeftters and 14 machine repairmen for openings at the Rouge complex. When the former Hydraulic repairmen asked the HR manager at rawsonville if they could apply for the pipefitter openings, since they still held hydraulic repairman cards and had never, after asking the union repeatly since they got there for training in the classification that they were forced into and, in the case of at least one of these reclassified machine repairman, whos' classification was changed the same day he reported to JSP at Rawsonville, had never spent a day on the floor. They were told that they were now machine repairmen, that the only classification they could bid on were the machine repair openings and that the next facility they went to have to complete their training.

When the union at rawsonville was asked how this would be possible without a legitiment and well deserved outcry from REAL trained repairmen, since as part of the PEG agreement and transfer of operations agreement, we would retain our original Hydraulic trade senority and consequently would hold high senority over the majority of the REAL machine repairmen. They were told that the PEG agreement was sanctioned by international and that any new facility they were sent to was required to up hold that agreement. Still, two untrained machine repairmen one who spent 17 months ojt on the floor at rawsonville and the other who was reclassified in name only, tried to submit applications to the rouge as pipefitters and were denied. Seven weeks ago, they went to the Rouge complex as machine repair and have been in limbo ever since.

For the most part, they have been without union representation. The Rouge complex is divided into two skilled trade unions, one for tool and die/machine repair, the other representing plumber/pipefitter, millwright, and electricitons. The tool and die union doesn't want them unless they go through formal apprenticeship training, with date of entry into the apprenticeship. And nobody, including the two tradesmen caught up in this, agree that that's as it should be. The plumber/pipefitter union doesn't and hasn't had any contact with them since they are not classified as plumber/pipefitter.

In this regard, the tool and die/ machine repair union officals have not offered or contacted either of these tradesmen even though they are classified as machine repairmen. the only local union contact they've had was with the jsc rep who was part of the orginal orientation group when they got there. They have had no contact with either of these two unions since the second week they got there and sat down in a meeting w/ natioal and some of the local union officals. At this meeting it was concluded, with all the union officals in agreement that they should have been allowed to bid on plumber/pipefitter bids, they were asked if they wanted to be pipefitters or machine repair. the answer was a resounding PIPEFITTER. The union agreed and since that time, the only contact with any union representive has been at the national level. Not one local union offical has contacted either of them since.

The tool and die union, who rightfully don't want them unless formal training is completed should still be represnting these guys because through no fault of theirs, they're in this situation. They didn't and don't want to be machine repairmen. But the fact is, this is the classification their in. They didn't ask to be put in this situtation. The union chairman should have been all over solidarity house demanding that they're classifications be restored to plumber/piperfitter and that we should immed. be put on the floor in senority order per national agreement. But they've done nothing but treat these fellow union brothers as pariahs.

These two men have contacted the dtp plant manager, hr manager, bob kings office (unsuccessfully), local 600 national rep., national skilled trades rep., the cooridinator bwt the governace committee and skilled trades rep. and anybody else to try to get this resolved. The uion says the company is the one holding things up and the company says its the union.

For whatever reason, since the meeting they held the second week they got there, the national union has said that the only way they can become plumber/pipefitters is if they go back to ypsilanti, which is now formally closed and all operations have been transferred to rawsonville. They have given no explaintion why they have to go back to a closed plant. One of the tradesmen was told by Joel Goddard, rawsonville plant chairman and the person most responsible for this mess, upon his arrival at rawsonville, that because they are machine repair in name only, he would be able to bid out of jsp on pipefitter bids any where but rawsonville, then denied he said that AFTER they tried to bid out and was turned down for pipefitter.

After trying unsuccessfully four time to present a "poison pen letter" to these guys, they are still in limbo.

What's a "poison pen Letter"? It's where your present with two options, neither of which is acceptible, and forced to sign. This is the letter presented to them on wendsday 4/01/09 , but withdrawn on thursday 4/02/09 after the tradesmen refused to sign and the rouge complex hourly personell director, who said he had no idea of the contents of the letter , put it on hold so that he could contact the union and ask them why they insist on sending us to a closed plant as the only condition for returning us to our original classification as plumber/pipe fitter, and why we can't go back to rawsonville as plumber/pipefitter.

 

The national joint skilled trades governance team(njstgt) and the national job security operational effectiveness and sourcing committee (njsoesc) have agreed that employees originaly classified as plumber-pipefitter at the ypsilanti plant who subsequenly transferred to the rawsonville plant and were converted to the machine repair classification at the rawsonville plant as a result of the former PEG agreement and were either subsequently placed at other locations as a machine repair, returned to production as a result of an ILO with recall rights as machine repair or who are currently working at rawsonville as machine repair will be given a "one time" opportunity to voluntarily elect to return to the Plumber/pipefitter classification at the ypsilanti plant

 

Any employee who does not elect in writing (below) by april 3rd will be deemed to have elected to remain attheir present location in the machine repair classification and will continue to be administered in accordance with applicable contract provisions.

 

I______________________ voluntarily wish to return to my former classification as a plumber-pipefitter

 

by doing so I agree that the following provisions will apply:

I understand that by doing so I will be placed back at my previous location of ypsilanti and that I will revert to ypsilanti as my "home plant" until placed elsewhere by preferentioal placement opportunity.

 

I will be classified as a plumber-pipefitter with a date of entry seniority of________________

 

I understand that if my seniority is insufficient to be carried on the active roll at the ypsilanti plant that I will be placed at another location in accordance with applicable contract provisions.

Iundersand that this action is not retroactive,and that by voluntarily accepting this "one time" return offer beibng afforded to me, I am also waving claims against any and all opportunities that would have been previously made available to me through the preferential placement hierarchy as a plumber/pipefitter prior to this date.

 

I understand that acceptance of this agreement precludes me from any future opportunities in the preferential placement hierarchy as machine repair or any rights to return to this classification in the future.

 

futhermore, I understand this date forward only those opportunities afforded to the Plumber/pipefitter classfication will be made available to me through any job security action.

 

They are currently on hold, in limbo, with no local representation, and apparently, after seeing this letter, no representation from national either. Don't blame these guys. All they've done is follow the rules as outlined by local and national uaw reps. now they're stuck, with seniority, and most probably will be forced into ILO.

[takeme back 2blue]

That must ex plane why the other night at DTP we had an electrician busted by safety for driving the scissor lift in circles in the middle of the aisle. When asked what he was doing the leader rode up on his buggy and pointed down the main aisle at 4 more spinning in slow circles. Our electricians were putting new bulbs in the overhead lighting. Guessing they were on cloud 9....yea that must be it.

[takeme back 2blue]

SEN 81- I MAY HAVE TO READ THIS AGAIN IN THE MORNING! WOW :tequila:

[MSP_M/R]

Senority81, that is quite a letter and I made it through in the first reading!!!

Provided what you explain to be true and fact, I would consider this thread closed.

Thanks for the detailed explanation clearing the air.

Sounds like I would contact the NLRB if I were them.

[fordguy61mi]

Man, that whole situation really sucks. Someone really dropped the ball there.

[Captain723]

SEN 81- I MAY HAVE TO READ THIS AGAIN IN THE MORNING! WOW :tequila:

same here!!

[leftski]

Thank you seniority81 for your input into this matter. I completely agree with you, the individuals involved in this mess should never have been put into this position. Hopefully it will get straightened out to every ones satisfaction.

[Maislebandit]

Well, technically, every other trade is a step down for Electrician.

 

LOL, getting shocked must alter the part of brain that controls cognitive reasoning. 440 must get you really high! :hysterical:

[chriper]

Man, that whole situation really sucks. Someone really dropped the ball there.

 

 

the one who dropped the ball,the one name that repeatedly comes up,every time there is an issue of repeatedly doing the membership wrong,,of arrogant asshole pompousness,,,THE GREAT ,,,,,JOEL GODDARD,,,the supposed man,,the legend{in his own mind},,the myth{lack of substance},,,the great white tiger woods,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,HEREEES JOEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet:....and his buddy capt. schultz...I KNOW NOTHING

Edited April 22, 2009 by chriper

[seniority81]

I appologize for the typo's and the length of my blog explaining the essentials of what is happening to the two tradesmen at the dtp. But the jest of this is that something so brazenly obvious to even the ignorant is happening to 7 people that had never wanted to be machine repairmen. They were prevented from consolidating trades with the pipefitters at ypsilanti, before going to rawsonville by our own union at the international level. Three of the Seven have 30 years or more seniorty, the rest between 13 and 17 years.

If they had gone over to Rawsonville with the transfer of operations as pipefitters as they should have, they all would be working on the floor in accordance with contract provisions regarding seniority. Instead, one of the three on the floor is on an off shift because he cannot hold day shift. he has 30 years seniorty. the next two highest in seniority are going down to production with the concurring reduction in pay rate rather than stay in IOL where they were placed after the JSP was eleminated. They had went to JSP in january of this year.

Had they all been pipefitters, at least three qualified, trained, and experienced card carrying machine repairmen would still be on the floor at rawsonville and two other qualified, trained, and experienced card carryiny machine repairmen would now be at the rouge and none of this would have occurred.

All seven and particulary the two at dtp stuck in limbo, by the tenor of the letter they were presented with, which I displayed in my last blog, are being punished for something they had no control over. the letter, now withdrawen, was both punitive and threatening.

Why can't they try to seek claims" against any and all opportunities that would have been prevoiusly made available to me through preferential placement hierarchy as plumber pipe fitters" if as the union admitted to them that they should have been able to bid on pipefitter jobs? Why does a closed plant revert to their "home plant" and why is this the only place they can go to reclaim their pipefitter classification?

Why are they being punished? why are their all these restrictions are being placed on them?

At least five of the seven are contacting and filing a grievance with the NLRB. No decision has been reached as of this past friday on what will happen to the two at dtp, who didn"t want to be a part of this, who don't want to be test cases, and who just want what we all want. OUR RIGHTS PROTECTED BY OUR OWN UNION.

[Captain723]

the one who dropped the ball,the one name that repeatedly comes up,every time there is an issue of repeatedly doing the membership wrong,,of arrogant asshole pompousness,,,THE GREAT ,,,,,JOEL GODDARD,,,the supposed man,,the legend{in his own mind},,the myth{lack of substance},,,the great white tiger woods,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,HEREEES JOEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet:

get the fk off this thread assclown!

[Captain723]

I appologize for the typo's and the length of my blog explaining the essentials of what is happening to the two tradesmen at the dtp. But the jest of this is that something so brazenly obvious to even the ignorant is happening to 7 people that had never wanted to be machine repairmen. They were prevented from consolidating trades with the pipefitters at ypsilanti, before going to rawsonville by our own union at the international level. Three of the Seven have 30 years or more seniorty, the rest between 13 and 17 years.

If they had gone over to Rawsonville with the transfer of operations as pipefitters as they should have, they all would be working on the floor in accordance with contract provisions regarding seniority. Instead, one of the three on the floor is on an off shift because he cannot hold day shift. he has 30 years seniorty. the next two highest in seniority are going down to production with the concurring reduction in pay rate rather than stay in IOL where they were placed after the JSP was eleminated. They had went to JSP in january of this year.

Had they all been pipefitters, at least three qualified, trained, and experienced card carrying machine repairmen would still be on the floor at rawsonville and two other qualified, trained, and experienced card carryiny machine repairmen would now be at the rouge and none of this would have occurred.

All seven and particulary the two at dtp stuck in limbo, by the tenor of the letter they were presented with, which I displayed in my last blog, are being punished for something they had no control over. the letter, now withdrawen, was both punitive and threatening.

Why can't they try to seek claims" against any and all opportunities that would have been prevoiusly made available to me through preferential placement hierarchy as plumber pipe fitters" if as the union admitted to them that they should have been able to bid on pipefitter jobs? Why does a closed plant revert to their "home plant" and why is this the only place they can go to reclaim their pipefitter classification?

Why are they being punished? why are their all these restrictions are being placed on them?

At least five of the seven are contacting and filing a grievance with the NLRB. No decision has been reached as of this past friday on what will happen to the two at dtp, who didn"t want to be a part of this, who don't want to be test cases, and who just want what we all want. OUR RIGHTS PROTECTED BY OUR OWN UNION.

LOL...a grievance with the NLRB how does that work?? Which one of the two, at DTP, are you?? Contact teh NLRB...that is the reason you will be stuck a mchn repairman dumbass......can you say "MC hammer" can't touch this

[notsofunnymeow]

LOL...a grievance with the NLRB how does that work?? Which one of the two, at DTP, are you?? Contact teh NLRB...that is the reason you will be stuck a mchn repairman dumbass......can you say "MC hammer" can't touch this

well captain guess you are wrong again. letter came from hr yesterday that all hydraulic trades will be made pipefitters at rawsonville. this includes the ones at the rouge. they will be transfered back to rawsonville as fitters! guess the almighty joel can't beat local 600! They had to fix joels screw up for him.

[notsofunnymeow]

What are they classified....they work at whatever they are classified!!! You can count on this....they will be MR at the rouge, not apprentices.....count on it, unless they make a ruling to allow them to return to Ypsi, but that would be voluntary on their part!! By the way...if it was many years ago, you didn't need sht to get into a trade...just depended on how badly they needed them!!!

 

PS there are many journeypersons in the system that do not own UAW journeyperson cards!! Again point and time!! :shades:

count on what? ass clown that ur wrong again. if you not joel how can u be so sure of your statements about what is happening at rawsonville unless ur here u don't know crap!

[chriper]

get the fk off this thread assclown!

 

 

NOW CAPPY ,maybe you should spend more time ,making sure you know what you r talking about and less time swearing at everyone,,AHOY MATEY

[chriper]

count on what? ass clown that ur wrong again. if you not joel how can u be so sure of your statements about what is happening at rawsonville unless ur here u don't know crap!

 

capt,,{no one dares doubt me },,723 probaly wont answer for days now,,,as this is when ole gin juice joelly takes his yearly trip to the ole condo in myrtle,,you know the same one that him and keats were partners in ,,,oops i forgot joelly married keats ex squeeze,,,well you know,,share the gin,,,share the bling bling

Edited April 23, 2009 by chriper

[chriper]

count on what? ass clown that ur wrong again. if you not joel how can u be so sure of your statements about what is happening at rawsonville unless ur here u don't know crap!

 

 

joelly...er..capt 723 cant answer now.If all remember this is the time of year when joelly goes to myrtle for condo fun,,everyone remember.. when he wasnt even in plant to campaign for himself ,,cause he was on his yearly gin and juice trip there,,you all know ,thats the condo him and keatts bought together,,,share the gin ,,share the ........ :shades: :shades: :shades: ,,,but on a real note i applaud the pipefitters for sticking up for them selves when their elected officals were to busy caring about gin and juice

[doggday]

What are they classified....they work at whatever they are classified!!! You can count on this....they will be MR at the rouge, not apprentices.....count on it, unless they make a ruling to allow them to return to Ypsi, but that would be voluntary on their part!! By the way...if it was many years ago, you didn't need sht to get into a trade...just depended on how badly they needed them!!!

 

PS there are many journeypersons in the system that do not own UAW journeyperson cards!! Again point and time!! :shades:

I agree that "you didn't need sht to get into trades...just depended on how badly they needed them!!!However you forgot to add one other way in,That was/is if you were a local union official!!!!!!

As for a u.a.w.journeyman card what is it worth if tradesmen in the plant don't need one?In fact if someone got into a trade because they were able to manipulate the system [easy to do as a union official]hold the classification for 8/9years and then apply for a card,they would be issued one because the record would show that they were technically "in" the trade for over 8years yet they may never have worked a minute at the trade!!!Just another point.