Pioneer Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 The Ford Motor Company needs to change the contract, before Ron Regan was elected president old fucks were forced to leave at a certain point. Make it 65 or 67, better yet make it 30 and out. Just do something. The plants are filled with old fucks that are costing the company money. It all about money right? Do the right thing and force the old fucks to retire and then hire all the second tier people you can. Problem solved. It's called age discrimination. You can't force somebody out because of age. If they can do the job, there is no reason they should have to retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrX Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 It's called age discrimination. You can't force somebody out because of age. If they can do the job, there is no reason they should have to retire. Then let's have the Obama administration do it. :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Then let's have the Obama administration do it. :shades: Do what? Older members, as long as they can handle the job they are on, deserve to work. Suck it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 I have put my whole life into my job. I made the right choice to work for the auto industry. With wages and cost-of-living frozen, there is no way that I am going to retire with high inflation on the way. I have to wait until at least the next contract to get some insurance of future buying power before I will go on a pension. On the other hand, young people would be well advised to quit the auto industry and go into something else, because there is no future for line workers. The days of the high paid auto worker are numbered. Lower paid workers whose tax money is bailing us out, will be on you like a pack of wolves. More jobs will be outsourced, and you will be forced to take lower and lower wages and benefits until you are not much better off than minimum wage. Get out now while you are still young enough to have another career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplesituations Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 maybe if u low seniority guys took the buyout Ford wouldnt need anymore buyouts also no one has to retire they have more rights to that job then the low seniority guys stop being a hater, alot of those guys with 30-40 years were divorced 2 or 3 times and didnt take care of their business earlier in life. If they want to stay then they can stay. this has to be the dumbest comment I've read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 this has to be the dumbest comment I've read That's easy for you to say. Do you have anything to say to argue your point? Ok; I'll be like you. You have got to be the most simple minded person on the planet. There; how much have I contributed to this thread? About as much as you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplesituations Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 That's easy for you to say. Do you have anything to say to argue your point? Ok; I'll be like you. You have got to be the most simple minded person on the planet. There; how much have I contributed to this thread? About as much as you have. I'm sorry, was I referring to you??? I don't think so. I've read plenty of your posts and you cry about not retiring because of the future of inflation but yet at the same time you say you're well off and can sit back enjoy life. Sounds like an oxymoron to me. Now I don't care if you retire or not, I could give a rats ass but you wanna come and attack me then game on. I feel retirement is not a death sentence as some seem to feel but it's a second lease on life to enjoy it with yourself, wife and family and if you feel you need to do something just to pass the time then go golfing, get a job at a golf course or whatever you want. But if you want the second tier to come in by telling the lower seniority to take the buyout is the most stupid thing I've heard. The future of the UAW would be hurt by the lower tier, not that the UAW isn't hurting now, but to have the future of UAW reps in the hands of lower tier workers as the majority would be hurtful to future negotiations and your benefits. So shut you're pie hole cause you seem to be one of the people on here that scream the sky is falling all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordworker Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 The Ford Motor Company needs to change the contract, before Ron Regan was elected president old fucks were forced to leave at a certain point. Make it 65 or 67, better yet make it 30 and out. Just do something. The plants are filled with old fucks that are costing the company money. It all about money right? Do the right thing and force the old fucks to retire and then hire all the second tier people you can. Problem solved. your wrong.. Ford/UAW NEVER had that policy. The international union officials have to step down at 65 or 67 but the workers have never and will never have that rule its against the law... the international reps have to step down from their union position but they can still go back to their home plant if they wish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordworker Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 The Ford Motor Company needs to change the contract, before Ron Regan was elected president old fucks were forced to leave at a certain point. Make it 65 or 67, better yet make it 30 and out. Just do something. The plants are filled with old fucks that are costing the company money. It all about money right? Do the right thing and force the old fucks to retire and then hire all the second tier people you can. Problem solved. WHY is it 90% of the restrictions are younger workers? 90% of the medicals also.. I used to laugh everytime someone got 90 days in and said "Im getting off this job Im getting a restriction" Do that now and your on the street.... Mans JOB not for wussies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DearbornDerek Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 WHY is it 90% of the restrictions are younger workers? 90% of the medicals also.. Because 90% of the old workers are on jobs where they don't do much?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 +2 +3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 The Ford Motor Company needs to change the contract, before Ron Regan was elected president old fucks were forced to leave at a certain point. Make it 65 or 67, better yet make it 30 and out. Just do something. The plants are filled with old fucks that are costing the company money. It all about money right? Do the right thing and force the old fucks to retire and then hire all the second tier people you can. Problem solved. You're wacked. Show some proof that Ford forced older employees out 30 yrs ago. The plants are also filled with youg f**ks that cant stay off of medical, FMLA, or even show up to work. No work ethic. Their only religion is ME and Money. Well guess what....its not all about money. I say let the youngins take the buyout. Shit didnt start hitting the fan til they started hiring you all. Dont let the door hit you in the ass......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Because 90% of the old workers are on jobs where they don't do much?? No because its called seniority. If you had any respect for you union you would honor seniority not make light of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 But if you want the second tier to come in by telling the lower seniority to take the buyout is the most stupid thing I've heard. The future of the UAW would be hurt by the lower tier, not that the UAW isn't hurting now, but to have the future of UAW reps in the hands of lower tier workers as the majority would be hurtful to future negotiations and your benefits. So shut you're pie hole cause you seem to be one of the people on here that scream the sky is falling all the time. No more stupid than the older workers taking a buyout. Either one will hasten the arrival of 2nd tier. And the biggest hurt to future benefits is the VEBA and the cuts retirees will be seeing. And this was all done by Traditional Ford negotiators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplesituations Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 No more stupid than the older workers taking a buyout. Either one will hasten the arrival of 2nd tier. And the biggest hurt to future benefits is the VEBA and the cuts retirees will be seeing. And this was all done by Traditional Ford negotiators. I won't disagree with you on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longball Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 You're wacked. Show some proof that Ford forced older employees out 30 yrs ago. The plants are also filled with youg f**ks that cant stay off of medical, FMLA, or even show up to work. No work ethic. Their only religion is ME and Money. Well guess what....its not all about money. I say let the youngins take the buyout. Shit didnt start hitting the fan til they started hiring you all. Dont let the door hit you in the ass......... Waldo.... I thought you knew a little history of were we came from....Unless your from north of the border, we had mandatory retirement at age 65 when I hired in....that was 1974. I knew a few men who were forced out due to their age....Pres Reagan changed the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longball Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 This is an example of why we need older, experienced people to be in negotiating positions within our union. We have to KNOW were we came from and the fights we have fought. I believe every local has these people ready to step forward. Politics suck, but we need people who have been through tough times in the industry. This is way off topic so I will stop now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFordJim Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 What does page 173 of the new benefits book refer too? This is the early retirement benefit reduction? Your life income benefit would have increased each year that you work per the chart on page 173 but when you retired it was frozen at that level. I dont want to burst your bubble but you are either misinformed or you do not have all of the data to your disposal. Hey pal, I think you might have things mixed up a little. I've been retired since 2000. I went to the pre-retirement classes and when I did retire, it was explained to me that I would get so much per month, a combination of my Life Income Benefit(pension) and the Supplemental Income Benefit till I reached age 62. I then would lose the Supplemental Income Benefit when SS would kick in. There was nothing, absolutely nothing mentioned about a reduction in the pension itself, only the SIB. Also, that SS would be less than at full retirement age, because of the age I retired at and the retirement package I was under but, I would still getting about the same money as I've been getting for the last nine years. In fact, several guys who retired before me said, I'll get a little bit more. I'm scheduled to get my first SS check in September. And according to what we were told at a union meeting about a year and a half ago by a woman from International, for 1 year, I and, many others, will get to double dip. We will continue to get the SIB for one year besides our SS. Then, when I hit 63, the SIB goes away forever. I think your mix up might be that with the loss of the SIB, it does reduce what you get from Ford but, the pension itself does not go down. Like another poster said, ask around and see what others say. If you know any retirees that have been out for awhile, ask them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udontkno Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hey pal, I think you might have things mixed up a little. I've been retired since 2000. I went to the pre-retirement classes and when I did retire, it was explained to me that I would get so much per month, a combination of my Life Income Benefit(pension) and the Supplemental Income Benefit till I reached age 62. I then would lose the Supplemental Income Benefit when SS would kick in. There was nothing, absolutely nothing mentioned about a reduction in the pension itself, only the SIB. Also, that SS would be less than at full retirement age, because of the age I retired at and the retirement package I was under but, I would still getting about the same money as I've been getting for the last nine years. In fact, several guys who retired before me said, I'll get a little bit more. I'm scheduled to get my first SS check in September. And according to what we were told at a union meeting about a year and a half ago by a woman from International, for 1 year, I and, many others, will get to double dip. We will continue to get the SIB for one year besides our SS. Then, when I hit 63, the SIB goes away forever. I think your mix up might be that with the loss of the SIB, it does reduce what you get from Ford but, the pension itself does not go down. Like another poster said, ask around and see what others say. If you know any retirees that have been out for awhile, ask them. I hope your right! I have thought exactly what you said until I read the benefits book it made me question what they were trying to say. I called an IUAW benefits rep and he said my pension would be reduced if I retire before I was 62 yrs of age. As I said page 173 of the benefits book says that upon hitting 62 yrs of age and drawing SS, my SIB will drop off and my Life Income Benefit will be reduced by the percentage next to my age of retirement on page 173. I still couldnt believe it so I called the NESC and talked to a retirement specialist, who said I will take the hit as described in the benefits book. I still do not believe it though and I called another IUAW rep who wasnt sure. If it is as you describe could someone please try to explain what pg. 173 refers to? This language will force me to stay until 62 yrs of age or death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longball Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 I think you should stay....we're probably confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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