uaw400 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 That would be great but the vast majority of the blame whether you like it or not goes to corporate america and that includes management and white collar workers.They are the ones that are breaking all the unions and outsourcing our jobs and forcing us to compete in a race to the bottom with the worlds poorest and most abused workers.Do not try to place blame on the workers.The VAST majority of workers are very hard working.It is the very,very small number of workers that are lazy that the company uses as an excuse to beat down the union and take all that they can.There is no working together with a ruthless enemy.And that is exactly what they are.So you keep thinking we can work together just like the foolish dems with the rethugs on healthcare.They would rather see millions of americans have no healthcare and keep doing business as usual like lining their pockets from corporate america than do the humane and decent thing.Work together?They are already back at the table breaking our contract for the third time!.And you get on this forum preaching "Lets work together"?And just exactly what have the workers done to bring down the big 3?Design cars with poor mileage?Give crappy service at the dealers?Pay union leaders millions of dollars even though we are loosing money?Use low quality parts in vehicles to save a penny?Please explain how the blame is in any way equal in this situation.Quote" However Ford has not followed through with any of their new product commitments as of yet, and OHAP has not even been given the bodyshop they were promised. The proof is in the pudding, and so far Ford is neglecting their commitments." When it's all said in done at the end of the day it will all work out for everyone ! Union and non union ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) How is that an attitude? It's a fact. We don't make the decisions, we just build what they put in front of us. If our behavior affects their decisions, then shame on them. I know there are people who don't take their jobs seriously, but as a whole the union component of Ford Motor Company is fairly competent. The problem is that one bad salaried worker has more of an impact than one bad union worker. It comes down to responsibility. As a salaried worker, your decisions are more far reaching than a union worker's typically are. Once both sides realize that each is necessary to run the business, things will start to improve. Unfortunately there is a lack of respect from the salaried side for the union side because of the idiots we have and vice-vice versa. There is no doubt among most people in the auto industry, that the hourly personnel perform their jobs as those jobs are designed. There should also be no doubt that one bad salaried worker has more potential for a negative impact than a bad hourly employee. That said, outside of the auto industry, most people don't know that, don't want to know about, and don't give a shit about it either way. Many people outside the auto industry are in salaried (plenty of unpaid, mandatory overtime), at-will positions, and don't want to hear it in any way, shape or form from any union member. They have a real negative attitude toward unions, particularly the UAW here and the CAW in Canada, especially since the GM & Chrysler bankruptcies earlier this year. Shame on them? How do you figure? You can't shame your customers into buying your company's product. No customers, no jobs, and more calls for concessions. Right now, the prudent thing to do is keep quiet. Edited September 8, 2009 by Len_A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigcountry Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 When it's all said in done at the end of the day it will all work out for everyone ! Union and non union ! Yeah, when we're "ALL" workin' for 14 an hour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Yeah, when we're "ALL" workin' for 14 an hour! And no benefits. Don't forget the part about no bennies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastime Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 If I'm hiring a project manager, I'm hiring someone with:1. A 4 year degree 2. Certififications showing they are proficient in the field I'm hiring them for. 3. Experience managing people and a track record of getting the job done. Just a trade or just a degree is not enough anymore. Do any of these people you are hiring KNOW how to build a car ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaw400 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 That's why we are a UNION ! I highly doubt we will work for $14 per hr ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 That's why we are a UNION ! I highly doubt we will work for $14 per hr ! New hires will be Union, and they will be working for $14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 That's why we are a UNION ! I highly doubt we will work for $14 per hr ! Your union already agreed to 14 an hour plus reduced benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skildtraydz Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 There is no doubt among most people in the auto industry, that the hourly personnel perform their jobs as those jobs are designed. There should also be no doubt that one bad salaried worker has more potential for a negative impact than a bad hourly employee. That said, outside of the auto industry, most people don't know that, don't want to know about, and don't give a shit about it either way. Many people outside the auto industry are in salaried (plenty of unpaid, mandatory overtime), at-will positions, and don't want to hear it in any way, shape or form from any union member. They have a real negative attitude toward unions, particularly the UAW here and the CAW in Canada, especially since the GM & Chrysler bankruptcies earlier this year. Shame on them? How do you figure? You can't shame your customers into buying your company's product. No customers, no jobs, and more calls for concessions. Right now, the prudent thing to do is keep quite. Do you mean "quiet?" Please spell your rhetoric correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) Do you mean "quiet?" Please spell your rhetoric correctly. Yes, thank you. Edited September 8, 2009 by Len_A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc655 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 We don't make the decisions, we just build what they put in front of us. If our behavior affects their decisions, then shame on them. I know there are people who don't take their jobs seriously, but as a whole the union component of Ford Motor Company is fairly competent. The problem is that one bad salaried worker has more of an impact than one bad union worker. It comes down to responsibility. As a salaried worker, your decisions are more far reaching than a union worker's typically are. Like robots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Wahrheit Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Like robots? The only difference is we get paid and robots do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Wahrheit Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 It's simple.......Just vote NO! VOTE NO ON WHAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigcountry Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 VOTE NO ON WHAT! I don't know, I forgot! What was we talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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