Geniusjustin Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Hi All, I'm very near purchasing either a new 2010 Ford Fusion SEL 4-cylinder automatic or a Mazda3 (strange duo to compare I know, but that 2012 Focus isn't out yet!). I have a few questions my salesman can't seem to answer, so I hope someone on this forum has the answer: 1) I read on this forum that 2010 Job 3 Fusions have relocated the SYNC microphone from the rearview mirror. Does this mean the accessory auto-dimming rearview mirror with Homelink, compass, and external temperature display will now work in Fusions with SYNC? I really want the Homelink system as I don't want to clip the garage door opener to the visor. It's 2010 people! 2) If the answer to 1) is yes, does this mean I'll have two external temperature displays, one in the rearview mirror and another in the navigation display? 3) Does the SEL 4-cylinder automatic have a manumatic shift function, or is that just on V6 models? Thank you so much for your input. Try as I might, I've been unable to get these questions answered elsewhere. -Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Hi All, I'm very near purchasing either a new 2010 Ford Fusion SEL 4-cylinder automatic or a Mazda3 (strange duo to compare I know, but that 2012 Focus isn't out yet!). I have a few questions my salesman can't seem to answer, so I hope someone on this forum has the answer: 1) I read on this forum that 2010 Job 3 Fusions have relocated the SYNC microphone from the rearview mirror. Does this mean the accessory auto-dimming rearview mirror with Homelink, compass, and external temperature display will now work in Fusions with SYNC? I really want the Homelink system as I don't want to clip the garage door opener to the visor. It's 2010 people! 2) If the answer to 1) is yes, does this mean I'll have two external temperature displays, one in the rearview mirror and another in the navigation display? 3) Does the SEL 4-cylinder automatic have a manumatic shift function, or is that just on V6 models? Thank you so much for your input. Try as I might, I've been unable to get these questions answered elsewhere. -Justin Hi Geniusjustin, here's my take on your questions: 1.) The SYNC microphone has indeed been relocated from the top of the autodimming ISRV to the headliner (driver's side) on Job 3 Fusions. I presume you are referring to part # 4L3Z-17700-B on the fordaccessories.com site; according to the description this mirror is "not applicable on vehicles with the factory-installed, interior compass mirror," which is the case for Job 3 Fusions with SYNC. Then again, it may work fine. 2.) The existing temperature probe only has a single connector, so it would be either/or in that case unless you add a second probe and connect it the mirror. I'd recommend talking to a technician whether part # 4L3Z-17700-A would work on the 2010 Fusion SEL. This is the autodimming Homelink mirror without the ambient temperature display, for vehicles with the compass display in the message center. 3.) On the Fusion, the manumatic function is only available on V6 models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geniusjustin Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 Hi Geniusjustin, here's my take on your questions: 1.) The SYNC microphone has indeed been relocated from the top of the autodimming ISRV to the headliner (driver's side) on Job 3 Fusions. I presume you are referring to part # 4L3Z-17700-B on the fordaccessories.com site; according to the description this mirror is "not applicable on vehicles with the factory-installed, interior compass mirror," which is the case for Job 3 Fusions with SYNC. Then again, it may work fine. 2.) The existing temperature probe only has a single connector, so it would be either/or in that case unless you add a second probe and connect it the mirror. I'd recommend talking to a technician whether part # 4L3Z-17700-A would work on the 2010 Fusion SEL. This is the autodimming Homelink mirror without the ambient temperature display, for vehicles with the compass display in the message center. 3.) On the Fusion, the manumatic function is only available on V6 models. Thank you so much aneekr. One question: do navigation-equipped Fusions have a compass readout in the message center (is this the display between the gauges?)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Thank you so much aneekr. One question: do navigation-equipped Fusions have a compass readout in the message center (is this the display between the gauges?)? You're welcome! On nav equipped Fusions, the compass readout is displayed on the top portion of nav screen, left of the clock. . But I think the situation is the same as if it was displayed in the message center, because it's not displayed within the rearview mirror itself, as with part # 4L3Z-17700-B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Thank you so much aneekr. One question: do navigation-equipped Fusions have a compass readout in the message center (is this the display between the gauges?)? The directional readout on my non-navigation equipped 2010 is on the radio readout screen, not on the instrument panel. Unless it's been moved for later builds, mine is a Job 1 build, 4-16-2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geniusjustin Posted March 18, 2010 Author Share Posted March 18, 2010 You're welcome! On nav equipped Fusions, the compass readout is displayed on the top portion of nav screen, left of the clock. . But I think the situation is the same as if it was displayed in the message center, because it's not displayed within the rearview mirror itself, as with part # 4L3Z-17700-B. Ok an additional question. Assuming 1) that the SYNC microphone has indeed been relocated on Job 3 Fusions and is no longer an issue, 2) the navigation system handles the external temperature readout and compass displays, and 3) I'm able to order the auto-dimming mirror with just the Homelink system (but not the compass or external temperature readout), then will this accessory mirror simply "plug in" to the existing wiring for the factory auto-dimming mirror, ie the Homelink functionality requires no additional wiring? If this is the case, I should be able to just unmount the factory auto-dimming mirror and mount the accessory mirror in its place with just a single "plug in" connection, meaning I can do it myself with no labor charges! Again, thank you so much for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smsfordman Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Your easiest solution for what you want is to pick up a drivers side visor for a lincoln Mkz . It includes the factory homelink buttons and will bolt right in. Do not bother to remove your exsiting mirror as they are a very tight fit to the windshield and glass is most likely to break when you try to remove the mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geniusjustin Posted March 19, 2010 Author Share Posted March 19, 2010 Your easiest solution for what you want is to pick up a drivers side visor for a lincoln Mkz . It includes the factory homelink buttons and will bolt right in. Do not bother to remove your exsiting mirror as they are a very tight fit to the windshield and glass is most likely to break when you try to remove the mirror. That's an idea I hadn't considered. I'm looking at the charcoal interior so I can't imagine the colors would be different. Does the MKZ use the same visors as the Fusion, aka the same style, mirror, mirror-lighting system, and fabric? (If it was any different from the passenger side mirror (save for the Homelink buttons), that would annoy me to no end.) Also, would the Homelink require additional wiring or can it draw power from the vanity mirror lighting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 That's an idea I hadn't considered. I'm looking at the charcoal interior so I can't imagine the colors would be different. Does the MKZ use the same visors as the Fusion, aka the same style, mirror, mirror-lighting system, and fabric? (If it was any different from the passenger side mirror (save for the Homelink buttons), that would annoy me to no end.) Also, would the Homelink require additional wiring or can it draw power from the vanity mirror lighting? It runs off the vantiy mirror lighting - plug and play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB3 Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Your easiest solution for what you want is to pick up a drivers side visor for a lincoln Mkz . It includes the factory homelink buttons and will bolt right in. Do not bother to remove your exsiting mirror as they are a very tight fit to the windshield and glass is most likely to break when you try to remove the mirror. It might pay to hang on for a month or so as Ford may offer Homelink in the 2011 Fusion. If that is the case the fabric, texture and color of the visor could be a perfect match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svtenthusiast Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 That's an idea I hadn't considered. I'm looking at the charcoal interior so I can't imagine the colors would be different. Does the MKZ use the same visors as the Fusion, aka the same style, mirror, mirror-lighting system, and fabric? (If it was any different from the passenger side mirror (save for the Homelink buttons), that would annoy me to no end.) Also, would the Homelink require additional wiring or can it draw power from the vanity mirror lighting? It's the same style, fabric, sliding function in both cars. The biggest thing is matching the color, as alot of MKZ's have tan headliners. I bought one out of a wrecked 2008 MKZ and alhough slight, there is a difference between the light grey and light tan visor that I got. The visor with homelink from Ford parts will cost you around $400.00 from the dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geniusjustin Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 I've encountered issues with both methods for obtaining Homelink in my Fusion: 1) If I go the Homelink mirror route, the best I can find is an auto dimming Homelink mirror with compass readout and w/o temperature readout. However, since my navigation system already displays the compass in the nav screen, does this mean I'll just have a blank display on the mirror itself? I'm looking at part number 4L3Z-17700-A. Is there a mirror that is just auto-dimming with Homelink and w/o any other readouts? 2) I called the parts department at my Ford dealer and was told the Ford Fusion and Lincoln MKZ passenger visors are not the same model number, which to me says they will not match in style/color/etc if I try to obtain a Homelink visor from an MKZ. Can anyone confirm that these part numbers are indeed different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smsfordman Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 The visors are not the same part numbers because they are different pieces M.kz has the homelink. As far as colours they are very close just compare colours at the dealers there are 3 different colours for each car but are similar in hues. Gray , Camel and black. As I stated before forget about the homelink mirror or you will have to replace the windshield because it will break when trying to remove mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geniusjustin Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 The visors are not the same part numbers because they are different pieces M.kz has the homelink. As far as colours they are very close just compare colours at the dealers there are 3 different colours for each car but are similar in hues. Gray , Camel and black. As I stated before forget about the homelink mirror or you will have to replace the windshield because it will break when trying to remove mirror. But I asked that the parts person I was speaking with compare the part numbers on the passenger side (not driver side) sun visors, assuming those would be identical. Also, I assumed the factory auto-dimming mirror and accessory auto-dimming Homelink mirror would utilize the same mount; I thought installation would be a simple matter of popping off the old one and popping the new one into place. Is this incorrect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmech2k Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 But I asked that the parts person I was speaking with compare the part numbers on the passenger side (not driver side) sun visors, assuming those would be identical. Also, I assumed the factory auto-dimming mirror and accessory auto-dimming Homelink mirror would utilize the same mount; I thought installation would be a simple matter of popping off the old one and popping the new one into place. Is this incorrect? I think the only issue with the homelink mirror is if you have a Fusion with Sync built before a certain date. Prior to the date the Sync microphone was in the mirror, and the Homelink mirror does not have a microphone in it. I believe there is a retrofit to relocate the mic, but no idea what that would cost. I may just disassemble my garage door remote and incorporate it into the car myself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 But I asked that the parts person I was speaking with compare the part numbers on the passenger side (not driver side) sun visors, assuming those would be identical. Also, I assumed the factory auto-dimming mirror and accessory auto-dimming Homelink mirror would utilize the same mount; I thought installation would be a simple matter of popping off the old one and popping the new one into place. Is this incorrect? If the colors are slightly different then the part numbers won't be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geniusjustin Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 If the colors are slightly different then the part numbers won't be the same. Which is exactly why I checked the numbers. Since they are not the same, I'm now trying to track down a straight answer regarding the Homelink mirror mount: is it the same as the factory auto-dimming mirror mount? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Which is exactly why I checked the numbers. Since they are not the same, I'm now trying to track down a straight answer regarding the Homelink mirror mount: is it the same as the factory auto-dimming mirror mount? Pretty sure the mount is the same - not sure about the wiring. If you a pre-2010 or early build 2010 then you'll lose the Sync microphone since it's in the mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geniusjustin Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) Pretty sure the mount is the same - not sure about the wiring. If you a pre-2010 or early build 2010 then you'll lose the Sync microphone since it's in the mirror. I checked and the vehicle my dealer located is a Job 3 Fusion, so the SYNC microphone is in the headliner. If the mount is the same, I don't have to worry about breaking the windshield. That just leaves the compass readout...will it just be blank in the mirror, or can I hook the compass up through the mirror as opposed to the navigation display? Edited March 31, 2010 by Geniusjustin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I checked and the vehicle my dealer located is a Job 3 Fusion, so the SYNC microphone is in the headliner. If the mount is the same, I don't have to worry about breaking the windshield. That just leaves the compass readout...will it just be blank in the mirror, or can I hook the compass up through the mirror as opposed to the navigation display? Pretty sure the mirror compass is self-contained so you'd have both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smsfordman Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I dont know why you dont understand my warning. The mounts are the same for the mirrors but when you try to remove the mirror from the glass it will break because it is locked on so tight that trying to release it will cause it to break. Seen this over and over many times. Final warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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