CAW 707 is corrupt

[Hawk00]

It's the internet, everyone that chooses can be faceless and have opinions about everything.

 

Just like the new reality in our plant. The elected reps put out annoymous leaflets absolutely ripping each other by name while remaining annonymous. Thank you for leading by example 707 reps. You can't bitch and whine about annon internet posts now without looking like complete hippocrites. They opened the door. Game On.

[charly]

Just like the new reality in our plant. The elected reps put out annoymous leaflets absolutely ripping each other by name while remaining annonymous. Thank you for leading by example 707 reps. You can't bitch and whine about annon internet posts now without looking like complete hippocrites. They opened the door. Game On.

 

 

How do you know who put out the info? was any of it true?

Perhaps they were choose to remain anonymous just like some people on this board who use nicknames to protect/obscure their identity.

[Trimdingman]

How do you know who put out the info? was any of it true?

Perhaps they were choose to remain anonymous just like some people on this board who use nicknames to protect/obscure their identity.

 

Virtually everybody on public internet forums uses an alias. It would be foolhardy to put your own name out there for the whole world to know who you are. It could lead to identity theft, unwanted solicitations, affect your employment, or put a bulls eye on your back for those of different persuasion, including government agents.

Edited June 28, 2010 by Trimdingman

[Boned]

Or maybe no union at all. At least that way we would get our stat holidays off, like every other non union workforce in Canada as guarnteed by law. Instead we are told to work 8..no wait.. 10 hours on Canada day! The union (Giveaway Gary and his cronies) trade a regular 8 hr. day for 10 on a stat. holiday (for srtait time). An apathetic membership shakes it's collective head and mumblles about how much the union sucks. Giveaway Gary and the boys either pocket the payoff or are too stupid to realise they've been had. Sad.

NOW SOMEONE SAY'S IT ! The union swallowed all Ford told them to and STAP was f**ked. No fight , no fuss , just roll over and sell out an entire plant . Then the whole union gets to vote on our closure language and a shitload of high seniority people get next to nothing, but ooh no you still get your reduced pension. Who cares what the rest of North America got on closures you just be grateful your CAW and we took care of ourselves ,no we mean you guys.

[Hawk00]

How do you know who put out the info? was any of it true?

 

Why are you asking a question you know I won't answer? Everyone knows charly....get out of the crib once in a while. You've offered nothing here in terms of debate. Game. Set. Match. Have a good holiday.

[charly]

Why are you asking a question you know I won't answer? Everyone knows charly....get out of the crib once in a while. You've offered nothing here in terms of debate. Game. Set. Match. Have a good holiday.

 

 

Why not, frightenened?

You never did respond to my earlier question about your attendance at the last meeting, why not?

All you bring to the table is unproven/unsubstantiated allegations.

Thanks, I'll have a great vacation knowing that trolls like you will carry out your "good" work.

[Trimdingman]

Why not, frightenened?

You never did respond to my earlier question about your attendance at the last meeting, why not?

All you bring to the table is unproven/unsubstantiated allegations.

Thanks, I'll have a great vacation knowing that trolls like you will carry out your "good" work.

 

 

Why does so much have to hinge on whether someone attended a union meeting or not? Maybe they had better things to do. The union is irrelevent to most people's lives. It is not the centre of the universe as it is to the devout Kool-Ade drinking inductees. If I hire someone to do a service, like look after my lawn or swimming pool, and they botch the job, I just fire them and hire somebody else. I don't waste my time meeting with them and arguing with them over whether they are doing something wrong. A union should be just as expendable as any other agency instead of being like a cult or something. If I hire somebody to help run my business, and they start giving it away to the competition, I would get rid of them in a hurry.

Edited July 3, 2010 by Trimdingman

[Hawk00]

Why does so much have to hinge on whether someone attended a union meeting or not? Maybe they had better things to do. The union is irrelevent to most people's lives. It is not the centre of the universe as it is to the devout Kool-Ade drinking inductees. If I hire someone to do a service, like look after my lawn or swimming pool, and they botch the job, I just fire them and hire somebody else. I don't waste my time meeting with them and arguing with them over whether they are doing something wrong. A union should be just as expendable as any other agency instead of being like a cult or something. If I hire somebody to help run my business, and they start giving it away to the competition, I would get rid of them in a hurry.

 

Don't worry about "charly". No one else is, as evidenced by not a single post in support of his weak postings. Evreyone (except "charly") is completely disgusted and embarrassed by the reps behavior and infighting over the past month or so. It's a joke and has people completely turned off and fed up with the union except for the very odd baglicker like "charly".

[Trimdingman]

Don't worry about "charly". No one else is, as evidenced by not a single post in support of his weak postings. Evreyone (except "charly") is completely disgusted and embarrassed by the reps behavior and infighting over the past month or so. It's a joke and has people completely turned off and fed up with the union except for the very odd baglicker like "charly".

 

Kick them out and hire someone else; maybe a law firm. A year's union dues, would be around three million dollars. For that kind of money, we should be able to do better than a bunch of bickering morons. We could have real lawyers on the plant floor and in the union office, who themselves would be non-union, and could be fired on the spot if they didn't perform.

[charly]

Don't worry about "charly". No one else is, as evidenced by not a single post in support of his weak postings. Evreyone (except "charly") is completely disgusted and embarrassed by the reps behavior and infighting over the past month or so. It's a joke and has people completely turned off and fed up with the union except for the very odd baglicker like "charly".

 

 

Who asked anyone to "worry" about me?

Take care of yourself. it seems like that's all that interests you, and it probably keeps you fully occupied.

[Trimdingman]

Who asked anyone to "worry" about me?

Take care of yourself. it seems like that's all that interests you, and it probably keeps you fully occupied.

 

 

The union is following that advice; taking care of itself. I guess that we will have to do the same now. Too bad we have the union albatross around our necks.

 

They outsourced the premium jobs so everybody will forever be a slave to the line.

 

They suspended cost of living protection during the most volatile economic times we have ever seen.

 

They cut the pay for new hires, effectively destroying the future income of present and future retirees because they will never vote to increase pensions that they themselves will probably never see because the union saw fit to screw them for the benefit of senior workers. Classical divide and conquer. Who's side are they on? Ours or the company's? That's not too difficult to answer.

[putt]

 

 

 

They outsourced the premium jobs

 

Perhaps if these jobs were not abused, they would still be there. How many were paid for work that was not done or even paid for not showing up and don't deny it, it happened and probably is still taking place, and maybe you are one of them

[foxrun]

 

 

 

They outsourced the premium jobs

 

Perhaps if these jobs were not abused, they would still be there. How many were paid for work that was not done or even paid for not showing up and don't deny it, it happened and probably is still taking place, and maybe you are one of them

 

Abuse can be such a relative thing at OAC, a person on the line that goes to the washroom twice a day can be shown to be taking advantage of their leader.

Don't ever think those premium jobs could have been saved by "working harder". Ford like all corporations are interested in off loading any expense paying a decent wage, benefits or pensions to anyone anymore which is euphemistically refered to as a legacy cost.

As labour, telling ourselves in any way that we are the problem is the problem, argueing amongst ourselves or thinking anyone of us deserves less for what ever we do only weakens our position.

Always remember if you see a labour guy walking around with a broom picking his nose that there are atleast ten more corporate leeches you can't see walking the golf courses.

[Trimdingman]

 

 

 

They outsourced the premium jobs

 

Perhaps if these jobs were not abused, they would still be there. How many were paid for work that was not done or even paid for not showing up and don't deny it, it happened and probably is still taking place, and maybe you are one of them

 

 

It is clear to me that the company wants to get rid of us all eventually. Many parts come in now in pre-assembled modules, eliminating hundreds of our jobs. Many examples do not make economic sense, such as the dash line and the engine line, and were done solely for the purpose of getting rid of us. Next will be material handling and pre-delivery. Then Body and Paint. Then Final assembly. They are over half way there already. Do you think they plan to stop? The union is assisting them in this transition in return for being allowed to represent the replacement workers.

Edited July 6, 2010 by Trimdingman

[Trimdingman]

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Abuse can be such a relative thing at OAC, a person on the line that goes to the washroom twice a day can be shown to be taking advantage of their leader.

Don't ever think those premium jobs could have been saved by "working harder". Ford like all corporations are interested in off loading any expense paying a decent wage, benefits or pensions to anyone anymore which is euphemistically refered to as a legacy cost.

As labour, telling ourselves in any way that we are the problem is the problem, argueing amongst ourselves or thinking anyone of us deserves less for what ever we do only weakens our position.

Always remember if you see a labour guy walking around with a broom picking his nose that there are atleast ten more corporate leeches you can't see walking the golf courses.

 

Someone who has put in close to 30 years on the line should deserve to have some perks just like middle and upper management.

 

It is Big Government that is killing industry, but the workers are taking the fall for it. Unions have always been in favor of Big Government, so they are not fighting the right fight to save our jobs. They are going along with the trend to a lower standard of living for workers to help maintain Big Government. To make industry thrive, we need less government. That is what the union should be fighting for.

Edited July 6, 2010 by Trimdingman

[charly]

Someone who has put in close to 30 years on the line should deserve to have some perks just like middle and upper management.

 

DESERVE????????? didn't they PAY YOU????

You deserve what ever YOU earned....which is probabaly not too much.....Deserved....what a great concept

 

 

 

 

ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsAdj.1.deserved - properly deserved; "a merited success" meritedwn()Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.deserved adjective well-earned, just, right, meet (archaic), fitting, due, fair, earned, appropriate, justified, suitable, merited, proper, warranted, rightful, justifiable, condign his reputation for political skill is well deservedhc_thes()Collins Thesaurus of the English Language – Complete and Unabridged 2nd Edition. 2002 © HarperCollins Publishers 1995, 2002

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is Big Government that is killing industry, but the workers are taking the fall for it. Unions have always been in favor of Big Government, so they are not fighting the right (WHAT FKIN right DO YOU HAVE TO ANYTHING?) fight to save our jobs. They are going along with the trend to a lower standard of living for workers to help maintain Big Government. To make industry thrive, we need less government. That is what the union should be fighting for. you should try fighting for yourself---------------loser, OR ARE YOU AFRAID MOM WILL GROUND YOU FROM THE KEYBOARD??????????

[Trimdingman]

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I meant "right" as in "correct". The union should be fighting for smaller government instead of socialism which is what got us into this mess. Someone who worked on the line for 30 years, which you would have no concept of what that is like, deserves to have the same kind of perks as someone in management with similar seniority. All the union is doing is taking our money and telling us that it is our own fault that they are selling us out. You work for me. I don't work for you. If I had my way, the union would be replaced for not doing it's job and for going over to the other side.

 

You made a garbled mess of a perfectly good post. Let's hear your side. Tell me in your own words how our union is doing such a good job for us. Don't forget to explain how it is in our best interest for them to be representing the workers who are undercutting our wages to take our jobs.

 

This is the new face of the union. They have spent too much time hob nobbing with salaried management in their ivory towers, and feel the kinship. Hourly workers are inferior to salaried. They should never be promoted. They don't deserve it. They are only good enough to work on the line. Union reps should travel, have their own offices away from the noise and heat of the plant floor. They are a higher class. Even in prison, after many years of good behavior, one can become a "trustee" and enjoy a few perks. We are not good enough for that according to Charly, and the new Union.

Edited July 12, 2010 by Trimdingman

[putt]

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I thought you blocked him. I know it's hard to ignore a twisted mind. He says he's not a drinker but I don't believe it.

[Trimdingman]

I thought you blocked him. I know it's hard to ignore a twisted mind. He says he's not a drinker but I don't believe it.

 

 

I am not twisted. People who follow the union wherever it wants to lead them are the ones who are twisted. I have yet to get an answer as to why we should be ok with the union representing the workers who took our jobs. The union is just an agency that negotiates and bargains for us. It is not a religious cult, as it is trying to be. We don't belong to the union. We hire the union to do a job. We shouldn't be holding elections. They should be taking resumes from lawyers. There should be other agencies competing for our dollars. Competition. How do we know that we are getting bang for our buck? Conflicts of interest like we are now seeing would not be tolerated in a free market business. My mind has become much sharper since I gave up alcohol. Drugs, alcohol, and unhealthy foods are poison to the body. Look at the revaged faces of abusers of these poisons. It is not worth giving up the longevity and quality of your life, and the logical thinking processes. The mind can also be poisoned by indoctrination. That is somethinng to really think about.

[Framer]

I am not twisted. People who follow the union wherever it wants to lead them are the ones who are twisted. I have yet to get an answer as to why we should be ok with the union representing the workers who took our jobs. The union is just an agency that negotiates and bargains for us. It is not a religious cult, as it is trying to be. We don't belong to the union. We hire the union to do a job. We shouldn't be holding elections. They should be taking resumes from lawyers. There should be other agencies competing for our dollars. Competition. How do we know that we are getting bang for our buck? Conflicts of interest like we are now seeing would not be tolerated in a free market business. My mind has become much sharper since I gave up alcohol. Drugs, alcohol, and unhealthy foods are poison to the body. Look at the revaged faces of abusers of these poisons. It is not worth giving up the longevity and quality of your life, and the logical thinking processes. The mind can also be poisoned by indoctrination. That is somethinng to really think about.

 

 

Scab

[Trimdingman]

Scab

 

 

That is what they used to call people who took other people's jobs for cheaper wages. The union now supports this and represents them.

[charly]

I thought you blocked him. I know it's hard to ignore a twisted mind. He says he's not a drinker but I don't believe it.

 

 

I can't help peeking once in a while...it's like a freak show or a car race.

[charly]

That is what they used to call people who took other people's jobs for cheaper wages. The union now supports this and represents them.

 

 

Thats because mother effers like you crippled Ford to the point where they had to fight back...

You can only push so far and then someone is gonna get pissed and school your ass....end result you lose, actually the junior people lose and and dumb fu**s like you come on the internet and whine about their TAX DEDUCTIBLE dues.

 

TROLL

[Trimdingman]

Thats because mother effers like you crippled Ford to the point where they had to fight back...

You can only push so far and then someone is gonna get pissed and school your ass....end result you lose, actually the junior people lose and and dumb fu**s like you come on the internet and whine about their TAX DEDUCTIBLE dues.

 

TROLL

 

 

The true colors have finally come out. First of all, Ford is not crippled. The auto indusrty ebbs and flows based on complex demographics, which they spend much capital studying and are on top of. Labor is a small part of the overall expense of running a car company. Government taxes and compliance is a much larger expense.

 

Junior people are the losers because the union, in it's incompetence, has either been duped, or been complicent, in an action to turn junior workers against senior workers by reducing hire-in wages and benefits. I voted no, because I saw dangers to this down the road. Now I can't retire because these junior workers that the union screwed over will never vote for a pension increase.

 

Where did I whine about "tax deductable union dues"? I would gladly pay double for a quality product. What other agency would con the people who are paying for a service into running it for them? Then, when we end up getting hosed because of backroom deals done with the company with whom they were hired to represent us to maximize our compensation, they shift the blame to us. They say that "we" are the union, not them. The union is an agent; like movie stars and professional athletes have agents. The agency provides the expertice. Baseball players know how to play baseball. Auto workers know how to build cars. "The person who represents himself in a courtroom has a fool for a client." I don't know about plumbing. That is why I hire a plumber. Capice?

 

Unions have been turned into religious cults, with the "members" being brainwashed to think a certain way about politics and society. You have to break out of that mould and take your life back.

 

"Mother effers like me crippled Ford", did we? I can remember the years and years of 10 hour shifts on the line in the seventies, the eighties, the nineties, and the noughts. I can feel the pain in my joints, the hearing loss, the congestion in my lungs. I crippled Ford all right. You pass the years in a comfortable crib or office somewhere probably watching Oprah, and condemn the real workers.

 

I am far from being dumb, Charly, and you know it.

[charly]

The true colors have finally come out. First of all, Ford is not crippled. The auto indusrty ebbs and flows based on complex demographics, which they spend much capital studying and are on top of. Labor is a small part of the overall expense of running a car company. Government taxes and compliance is a much larger expense.

 

Junior people are the losers because the union, in it's incompetence, has either been duped, or been complicent, in an action to turn junior workers against senior workers by reducing hire-in wages and benefits. I voted no, because I saw dangers to this down the road. Now I can't retire because these junior workers that the union screwed over will never vote for a pension increase.

 

Where did I whine about "tax deductable union dues"? I would gladly pay double for a quality product. What other agency would con the people who are paying for a service into running it for them? Then, when we end up getting hosed because of backroom deals done with the company with whom they were hired to represent us to maximize our compensation, they shift the blame to us. They say that "we" are the union, not them. The union is an agent; like movie stars and professional athletes have agents. The agency provides the expertice. Baseball players know how to play baseball. Auto workers know how to build cars. "The person who represents himself in a courtroom has a fool for a client." I don't know about plumbing. That is why I hire a plumber. Capice?

 

Unions have been turned into religious cults, with the "members" being brainwashed to think a certain way about politics and society. You have to break out of that mould and take your life back.

 

"Mother effers like me crippled Ford", did we? I can remember the years and years of 10 hour shifts on the line in the seventies, the eighties, the nineties, and the noughts. I can feel the pain in my joints, the hearing loss, the congestion in my lungs. I crippled Ford all right. You pass the years in a comfortable crib or office somewhere probably watching Oprah, and condemn the real workers.

 

I am far from being dumb, Charly, and you know it.

 

I worked on the line in Trim, I know all about carpal tunnel, tennis elbow, trigger finger etc.

The junior emploees did not get jerked around by the union, I started off at 85% and it took 2 years to get to full rate. ALL autoworkers earn a decent wage and NOBODY forced anyone to take a job at Ford

 

 

 

Wages in Ontario and once again More Stats.

 

How exactly did you get the high rate of pay you now enjoy???????------->

 

 

 

Have we gotten the shit end of the stick for the last 2-3 contracts? absolutely. So lets get together and actually fight back and let Ford know WE WANT SOME OF THE REWARDS and a share in the profits.