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When someone hands you Lemons , you make Lemonade , sharpen those skills of yours and go look for another job.. its not easy but its not that hard either .. I left in November , got a job at a Mom and Pop garage , kept my nose in the want ads and ended up getting a sweet job with my Mechanics licence , I now take care of a fleet of 30 package cars for UPS and get paid almost on par with what I was getting from Ford , but now I get to use my brain ..

 

I did it , so can you .

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In 1980, Oakville Assembly laid off over 1900 workers, of which I was one. There was no SUB, as it had been exhausted. Over a year later, everyone was recalled. Guess what? A large portion of the laid-off people refused the re-call because they had found other work or started their own businesses.

 

I have a feeling that something will be done to alleviate the situation for STAP workers, but it will involve more concessions. The contract is up next year. Don't expect anything before that time.

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Die Wahrheit

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In 1980, Oakville Assembly laid off over 1900 workers, of which I was one. There was no SUB, as it had been exhausted. Over a year later, everyone was recalled. Guess what? A large portion of the laid-off people refused the re-call because they had found other work or started their own businesses.

 

I have a feeling that something will be done to alleviate the situation for STAP workers, but it will involve more concessions. The contract is up next year. Don't expect anything before that time.

 

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Looks like GM is pulling out of Canada (Impala), Ford should wise up and do the same!

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Pete

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Looks like GM is pulling out of Canada (Impala), Ford should wise up and do the same!

Now, exactly, why should they?

Because it's a US company ( that is building new plants in china and other countries including mexico ) ? But canadians should keep buying fords anyhow, after loosing all the jobs? Right??

Is that what you are thinking?

 

As soon as ford has closed ( if you're "Ford should wise up and do the same!" statement actually happens. ) all it's manufacturing plants in canada, i just may buy a toyota or honda, which are build in ontario. Hell....maby all canadians will sit in a import, and not necessarily a import from the USA.

 

Ford would be wise to keep a presence in canada.

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Just want to add, for what it's worth, that ..

The vast majority of vehicles in the STAP hourly parking lot within the last 20 years or so have been ford's.

With a handfull of GM and Chrysler products.

Since ford's announcement of the STAP closure later this year, the number of imports i see in our parking lot is significant.

They say, that for every single ford employee, there are 7 support industry jobs being affected.

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And maybe Canadian people should wise up and stop buying Gms and Fords ....

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Hey dumb Fuck,we didn't sell our souls for 2 tier wages thats why the product is going there,I don't paint all American's with the same brush and most don't think the same way you do,fuck your stupid!!!!

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Pete

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Since out super-smart politicians agreed to dismantel the auto pact, maby canada could now create a new one.

Canada- Germany Auto pact sounds good to me.

Get VW, BMW and Mercedes to build plants here and fill the void that the big 3 left.

 

I always wanted a 7 series beemer.

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Hey dumb Fuck,we didn't sell our souls for 2 tier wages thats why the product is going there,I don't paint all American's with the same brush and most don't think the same way you do,fuck your stupid!!!!

 

With our high quality, experienced and educated workforce, we are clearly too good for 2 tier wages.

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Pete

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Come to think of it........for a guy that's quite anal about Imports, i have been buying IMPORTS all along, except for a Pinto that was build at STAP and a Zephyr Station wagon, also build at Stap, as well as a 1984 escort, made at Stap . Matter of fact, i followed all 3 down the line.

Of the 19 fords i had, all but 3 been imports , which includes the 2 fords i have now.

Geez.....I suppose, the toyotas and hondas being build just up the road from STAP, would be LESS of a import then any Ford made in the USA.

Plus our A-Plan is not as attractive as it used to be.....

Thanks....Die Wahrheit ... for opening my eyes.

 

Go ahead, Big 3......close all your canadian assembly plants....( UAW negotiated with ford to be getting ALL of the new products, which basically wipes out canadian plants when current models are discontinued, such as STAP) see what that get's ya.

All of Canada might just end up like San Fransisco......Just about No Big 3 Dealership's in sight. All Imports.

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Pete

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Do any of you think that if you voted to stay in the UAW that you would be taken care of now? Was the CAW a mistake?

Maby....maby not....Doesent make any difference right now.

We have to deal with what we have NOW.

There are less and less reasons for Canadians to purchase American vehicles, (since other car manufaturers have and are continuing to open shop here, while the BIG 3 are pulling out), which will affect US assembly plants at some point.

Then the UAW can proudly pound it's chest and claim to have brought all THERE jobs back to the USA.....except for the plants in mexico and all the parts that are being made all over the world.

Job well done......NOT?

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Do any of you think that if you voted to stay in the UAW that you would be taken care of now? Was the CAW a mistake?

 

Staying in the UAW worked real well in Atlanta, Norfolk, Wixom and all the rest of the former Ford plants didn't it

 

Wake up.

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Staying in the UAW worked real well in Atlanta, Norfolk, Wixom and all the rest of the former Ford plants didn't it

 

Wake up.

 

Believe me....I am awake...I went thru a plant closing and relocation...The UAW made it as painless as they could under the circumstances....What do you think would have happened in a plant closing without the UAW?

 

Wake up

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Believe me....I am awake...I went thru a plant closing and relocation...The UAW made it as painless as they could under the circumstances....What do you think would have happened in a plant closing without the UAW? Wake up
I dont think anybody made Anti-Union remarks. But if you want to know why we broke away from the UAW, google it<BR>. Quite interestin in how the UAW was wanting to screw it's Canadian arm out of jobs, even back in 1984. One of the reasons for the split. Edited by Pete
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Framer made Anti-UAW remarks

 

I think Framer is one of the bigger idiots not only on this board, but more than likely in the real world, but I don't see where he made an anti-UAW remark.

 

You questioned whether breaking off from the UAW was a bad thing, as if implying that STAP would not be closing had we hadn't done that. Framer mentioned the UAW plants that have closed (he did miss Edison), so it's not as if the UAW has a great track record of keeping plants open.

 

Framer seems like the guy that would last about 2 weeks in the real world without the help of a union, so any time you questions his Gods at the CAW, he's going to get a little pissy.

 

STAP is closing, and a lot of that has to do with the actions of the CAW. But it also has to do with the problems with the D3's, the desire for more fuel efficient cars, the lack of an AutoPact, etc.

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STAP was born because of the Auto Pact, and died because of it. All of the main line North American auto makers at the time as well as UAW & CAW along with Canadian and American governments fought to keep it, but the WTO deemed it to be illegal. The so called big 3 paid a very good wage and supported several local parts plants. You could almost say all the ships going back to Japan, China, Korea and other places are not empty but takeing our jobs with them. We had a network of well paying plants supplying our needs but the inrush of offshore cars killed it.

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STAP was born because of the Auto Pact, and died because of it. All of the main line North American auto makers at the time as well as UAW & CAW along with Canadian and American governments fought to keep it, but the WTO deemed it to be illegal. The so called big 3 paid a very good wage and supported several local parts plants. You could almost say all the ships going back to Japan, China, Korea and other places are not empty but takeing our jobs with them. We had a network of well paying plants supplying our needs but the inrush of offshore cars killed it.

AMEN

As i said...main reason for STAP going down is the UAW-Ford agreement to keep new models in the USA, which also means....whenever Oakville's models are discontinued, it too would get shut down as ford can not put a new model in there, without breaking the agreement with the UAW under the present agreement.

That then just leaves Windsor.

I guess the CAW will have to do better for Oakville in the next contract talks, then it did for St. Thomas.

 

Another main reason for the Big 3's over capacity is simple. Both, Canadians and Americans are buying way to many Imports from over sea's. And the Chinese haven't even opened any car dealerships yet, which is going to happen soon.

Apparently, people just don't realize that they too will eventually be affected by the domino affect they caused by buying imports.

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I think Framer is one of the bigger idiots not only on this board, but more than likely in the real world, but I don't see where he made an anti-UAW remark.

 

You questioned whether breaking off from the UAW was a bad thing, as if implying that STAP would not be closing had we hadn't done that. Framer mentioned the UAW plants that have closed (he did miss Edison), so it's not as if the UAW has a great track record of keeping plants open.

 

Framer seems like the guy that would last about 2 weeks in the real world without the help of a union, so any time you questions his Gods at the CAW, he's going to get a little pissy.

 

STAP is closing, and a lot of that has to do with the actions of the CAW. But it also has to do with the problems with the D3's, the desire for more fuel efficient cars, the lack of an AutoPact, etc.

 

My point was more about the UAW finding a new job for the displaced worker....that is what the post was about....my question was more about your options with a plant closing with the CAW as compared to a closing with the UAW

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