vipersinu2 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I noticed in the morning on the 1st start of the day, My engine has a cold start rattel for 2 to 3 seconds. 10,000 miles on engine. Dropping the truck off, next week at the dealer to hear. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) I see you said 10,000 miles on the engine, but it is the vehicle itself new as well? What year model? Could be a bad turbo rattling. Edited March 11, 2020 by Black Label Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipersinu2 Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 The truck has 10,000 in total. I dont think it is the turbos. I tried to remote start with the hood open, but the remote start will not work with the hood open. I will have my wife try and start with the hood open, so i can get a video and close enough to hear where the rattle is coming from 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, vipersinu2 said: The truck has 10,000 in total. I dont think it is the turbos. I tried to remote start with the hood open, but the remote start will not work with the hood open. I will have my wife try and start with the hood open, so i can get a video and close enough to hear where the rattle is coming from Wow, that is odd to have a phaser rattle on a new truck. Yes, if you can post the video that would be great. Obviously should be a warranty repair if the phaser(s) needs to be replaced. Let us know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Black Label Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I hope they get it resolved for you. Let us know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipersinu2 Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 The Dealer service manager thinks this is normal. The master tech is not in today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, vipersinu2 said: The Dealer service manager thinks this is normal. The master tech is not in today. Not normal, IMO. Go to another dealer if one is nearby. That manager sounds incompetent. I never get that. It isn't normal and is warranty work. Why do they make it difficult like this? Edited March 11, 2020 by Black Label Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipersinu2 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Black Label said: Not normal, IMO. Go to another dealer if one is nearby. That manager sounds incompetent. I never get that. It isn't normal and is warranty work. Why do they make it difficult like this? on a side note I am new to eco boost engines. should I be concerned about water condensation in the intercooler that can cause misfires or crack the spark plugs? also should I look into the catch can to stop the egr gasses in to the crank case? The more I read about these engines its seem to be a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, vipersinu2 said: on a side note I am new to eco boost engines. should I be concerned about water condensation in the intercooler that can cause misfires or crack the spark plugs? also should I look into the catch can to stop the egr gasses in to the crank case? The more I read about these engines its seem to be a nightmare. I haven't heard of those condensation issues. I think catch cans are like snake oil. Just my opinion. The second generation EcoBoost adds port injection for many reasons. One is supposedly to spray the back of the injectors with fuel to prevent the carbon fouling that the catch can crowd advocates for. Some say, well it can't hurt. Others say, well it can hurt because the engine is designed to burn the vapors the catch can system condenses into liquid. I will not be installing one on my 2020 Nav. Edit: I am new to the EcoBoost as well. Did a lot reading and spoke to some mechanics I trust. The ones who even knew what a catch can is said the notion is ridiculous. Edited March 12, 2020 by Black Label Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boredinbirmingham Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 21 hours ago, vipersinu2 said: on a side note I am new to eco boost engines. should I be concerned about water condensation in the intercooler that can cause misfires or crack the spark plugs? also should I look into the catch can to stop the egr gasses in to the crank case? The more I read about these engines its seem to be a nightmare. The catch can is not needed on these 4th gen expedition/navigators. On another forum (pm me if you want that link) there are several posts that go into detail why that is, there are sOme guys running them but nothing to empty. Your service manager is either incompetent or hoping you’ll go elsewhere. Last I heard these parts are on backorder and there isn’t an updated part to keep this from happening again... yet. From what I understand a updated and permanent fix is due in the spring for this issue. You got a crap luck of the draw but rest assured, the ecoboost platform is a great power plant and will serve you well once this warranty work is taken care of. My Lincoln dealer and service manager are top notch and go above and beyond, you may want to go to a different dealer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, boredinbirmingham said: The catch can is not needed on these 4th gen expedition/navigators. On another forum (pm me if you want that link) there are several posts that go into detail why that is, there are sOme guys running them but nothing to empty. Your service manager is either incompetent or hoping you’ll go elsewhere. Last I heard these parts are on backorder and there isn’t an updated part to keep this from happening again... yet. From what I understand a updated and permanent fix is due in the spring for this issue. You got a crap luck of the draw but rest assured, the ecoboost platform is a great power plant and will serve you well once this warranty work is taken care of. My Lincoln dealer and service manager are top notch and go above and beyond, you may want to go to a different dealer. I'm new to it but loving my EcoBoost so far. Agreed on not needing a catch can. Biggest benefit is to the person who makes it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boredinbirmingham Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Black Label said: I'm new to it but loving my EcoBoost so far. Agreed on not needing a catch can. Biggest benefit is to the person who makes it. With the cam phaser issue I can understand your trepidation. I, on the other hand, am also on my first ecoboost but have had zero issues and love it so far. It’s all a roll of the dice. You’ll have your issue resolved I feel sure if it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, boredinbirmingham said: With the cam phaser issue I can understand your trepidation. I, on the other hand, am also on my first ecoboost but have had zero issues and love it so far. It’s all a roll of the dice. You’ll have your issue resolved I feel sure if it. I think you misunderstood. I have no trepidation. No issues for me so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boredinbirmingham Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Black Label said: I think you misunderstood. I have no trepidation. No issues for me so far. So sorry, forgot who I was responding too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, boredinbirmingham said: So sorry, forgot who I was responding too. Ha, yep, that never happens on the inter webs! ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I don't know much about all this, but could it just be a bad tensioner and not a phaser itself? Maybe the chain is not as tight as it should be? Just throwing stuff out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipersinu2 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 Truck sat over night, no rattling on 1st start, it is 85 and sunny, not sure if the cold has anything to do with rattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Check these 2 videos. From 2014, but maybe something to look at. The second video sounds identical to the sound you posted above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipersinu2 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Tell me what you think, The super loud rattling was not there on start, But I dont think is sounds to good till almost at the end of the video the sound smooths out. What are your thoughts? Edited March 13, 2020 by vipersinu2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Definitely not right. That needs to be fixed under warranty. I am in no way a mechanic but sounds like the videos I posted could be the culprit. Bad tensioner maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boredinbirmingham Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 4 hours ago, vipersinu2 said: Tell me what you think, The super loud rattling was not there on start, But I dont think is sounds to good till almost at the end of the video the sound smooths out. What are your thoughts? Could be the wastegate rattling... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 3 hours ago, boredinbirmingham said: Could be the wastegate rattling... The video in my first response in post #2 was talking about that. Either that or the cam phasers or tensioners on a 10,000 mile engine are unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boredinbirmingham Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 19 hours ago, Black Label said: The video in my first response in post #2 was talking about that. Either that or the cam phasers or tensioners on a 10,000 mile engine are unacceptable. 100% agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipersinu2 Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 I will hopefully let you know tomorrow, the truck was dropped off at the dealer ship this morning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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