sailorjohn

Don't generally see folks in these parts get upset when someone expresses their opinion. They do tend to get upset when someone expresses their opinion and claims it to be fact.

You must be driving that thing hard, have 190k on my 96' Ranger and it still has the original clutch.

Years ago the company offered us email accounts, we went from ford.com to visteon.com and even though we're now ACH we still have the email accounts, and get the mass mailings from Ford. This was in my inbox today, read the last line of the message. Today we begin an email version of the online Ford events calendar. This weekly calendar was created to reduce the number of BulkMail messages you receive each day. Events and activities once publicized in individual emails are now packaged together in one convenient place. Below is a list of company events and bulletins for the next two weeks. These and future items also can be seen on the FCN Calendar, which is accessed from the FCN Online home page, www.fcn.ford.com. If you have an event you would like added to the calendar, please click here to submit the information. Annual UAW Local 600 Thanksgiving Coat Drive November 20th, 21st, & 22nd -- clean new and used coats will be collected at the WHQ north entrance and the Ford Credit east entrance. Nov. 20 - Nov. 22 - Dearborn , Michigan Operation Good Cheer 90 children still need sponsors for Operation Good Cheer. Nov. 15 - Dec. 01 - Dearborn , Michigan MotorCity Bowl Ford is one of the ongoing title sponsors of the MotorCity Bowl. Ford employees can purchase below face value tickets at http://www.motorcitybowl.com/index.jsp. Nov. 15 - Dec. 26 - Detroit , Michigan Ford Acceleration Tour The Ford Acceleration Tour will showcase our products and connect with consumers across the country. Nov. 20 - Harrisburg , Pennsylvania Ford Acceleration Tour The Ford Acceleration Tour will showcase our products and connect with consumers across the country. Nov. 20 - Houston , Texas Ford Acceleration Tour The Ford Acceleration Tour will showcase our products and connect with consumers across the country. Nov. 21 - Lexington , Kentucky Ford Acceleration Tour The Ford Acceleration Tour will showcase our products and connect with consumers across the country. Nov. 21 - Norfolk , Virginia Unfuckingbelievable.

You need to read "End of the Line" to understand why Boeing outsources work, it essentially has nothing to do with cost, everything to do with a quid pro quo for countries that purchase Boeing planes for their national carriers, which many countries, as opposed to the US, have. It is fortunate that we don't have the same system for automobiles, we would be in a lot more troube than we are now.

Would add, according to umpire decisions, "incidental" work can be up to 2 hrs. on an 8 hr. job. Fully expect to see trades completely gutted in the not-too-distant future.

Ultimately the responsibility lies with management. They run the plant, not the union.

SUB probably, as this is funded by both parties, GEN, fully funded by the company, probably not. Would expect to see something like GIS substituted for GEN, you work for someone else and the company makes up the difference in your pay, but this could also go away. What I would expect are serious concessions by us. :shrug:

Would have to agree, though I don't know what your PC is telling folks. Offering enhanced buyouts-or any buyouts-in the future only undermines the company's credibility, and would encourage folks to ignore buyout offers in the vain hope that something better would be offered down the road.

Wow, you guys are pretty primitive there. The company has been posting these lists in this Ford/Visteon/ACH plant for YEARS!

Have to agree also, the only reason the Taurus died is the company refused to invest in improving the vehicle.

Because IIRC, folks on layoff/gen in-zone have to get placed first. All of your placement opportunities are out-of-zone, correct? You guys are probably in front of folks wanting to flowback from ACH plants but I don't know that for a fact. Should get someone from the international to post this info, but some of these fucks are more interested in placing relatives first, have seen that shit in the past. I don't think they can place folks from ACH plants NOT on ilo or in gen first. Plant closings/sales at ACH probably won't happen until sometime next year, so if the company expedites the buyouts at Ford facilities, folks on the street from Ford plants should be getting placed sometime next year also, but who knows?

Typo there. We have over 100 going on November 1, but none of these folks had to go at that date, they could have waited until December 1.

GEN gets placed first, then everyone else. Folks at places like NAP are allowed to "follow" their work to another plant, AAP and TCAP are SOL as their work is going away. May be that folks "out of zone" will have to wait to transfer to remote locations, would have to look this one up in the national agreement. My guess is that the last folks to transfer will be those from the ACH plants.

We still have appx. 100 production and 3 trades slated to leave on November 1, these folks have up until the 31st to back out.

That was the # as reported by the individual plants, why would it be low? If anything, since everyone that signed has the opportunity to back out before November 1, as also reported, the number is probably high.

Well, just going by the available evidence. Don't know the general seniority makeup at Ford facilities, only my own, and it's amazing that we have so many folks with 35+ years that didn't sign up for buyouts, and these are folks that have been told over and over that they would either be retired or transferred to a Ford facility before the contract expires next year. What motivation would folks with similar seniority have to leave from Ford facilities, when their jobs aren't being threatened? In any event, we'll have a clearer picture by December 1.

All-well maybe not all-of us skilled trades stuck at ACH facilities are probably gonna get left out in the cold. At our plant, we still have guys with 35+ years that haven't signed up for buyouts. Now 98% of these guys probably won't transfer to other facilites, but why would anyone in a Ford plant whose job isn't on the line take a buyout? I think the 20% figure we were given was bogus, at least as it applies to trades. Sucks, but what are you gonna do?

If they take a retirement package as opposed to a seperation package. December eligible folks that take seperation packages will receive all of their pay if they leave on Dec 1, June eligible employees receive nothing. Your vacation pay for any given year is determined by the amount of time you worked the previous year, not including the periodic increases in vacation time. In effect, you will get paid for what you worked this year, if you retire. If you seperate, you have to work until November 14 to collect your pay if you have December elgibility, the reason for moving up the effective date from November 1 to December 1. Gonna guess that June eligibles that seperate would have to work until May 14 to collect their pay.

And if you don't sign up for the buyout package, you won't get squat from the company when you do decide it's time to bail.

As of today we were told that the effective date was being moved from November 1st to December 1st. If you have December eligibility, you will be eligible to collect all of your '07 personal/vacation pay. Folks getting regular retirement incentives, as opposed to seperation packages, will still be able to retire on November 1, these folks will have their '07 vacation/personal packages pro-rated. December eligibility dates will be able to collect all of their '07 paid time, June will receive partial payment.

Damn shame, really. If they had spent the money on a proper powertrain for the 500/Montego they'd probably be selling like hotcakes.

As a 30 year employee I understand where the folks with less seniority are coming from, I share some of their attitudes. Still having to carry 35+ year employees that can't do their jobs, it really does get old after a while. Don't have a problem with folks that can do the job, if they can do the work they can stay until they die, really don't care. But some of these mf's that can't/won't do the work?

So that the committee members, and especially the committee chair can get paid time off on "union business". Seriously though, anyone can volunteer for a spot on these standing committees. :D :D :D