A lot of the old timers I talk to are staying because they will have health care. If they retire...... Who knows. With whats going on with Delphi salary, it may not be likely. Not too far in the distant future hourly retirees are going to take the same hit. Once that happens we're going to see the domino effect with GM, Ford, Chrysler and everybody else and there brother . This is one deep, dark black hole we're falling into. VEBA is just a wet dream.