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Page 1943 states 8500 for single coverage, 23K for employee +. The tax appears to only be on the amount over this amount. So if your health plan is valued at 25K, you pay $800 in tax (40% of 2000). THAT TAX.

And all you liberals seem to think it is someone elses responsibility to take care of everything. Society is people living in the same area to help each other. The government has nothing to do with that.

No matter how much the tax is it is really sad that we will get TAXED on a nogiated item. It is a tax that we should not have to pay AT ALL. Just another example of this country going down the tubes. NO, I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN. I AM A CONSTITUTIONALIST. CAN ANYONE SAY ENUMERATED POWERS

I thought he was banned?

So you have hacked into the system and found the data that proves that fact? Did Comrade Obama give you your own personal password to perform that task? If not please tell me how you know that I am not "in your tax bracket". You are either a member of the gov. or you are upper management, neither can be trusted. Get off your high horse, you freak.

You mean when the Sudanese Gov. offered up bin Laden and Clinton said no thanks he is too much of a hot potato? MSNBC had a good article on the issue also. In it Clinton said "We will use all the means at our disposal to bring those responsible to justice, no matter what or how long it takes.” Also, Clinton, Clinton, etc., etc., etc.

While we are playing the blame game, who left Bush with the mess called Bin Laden. IF he would have taken him when he had the chance MAYBE, and I did say MAYBE, we wouldn't have had to go to war with people who killed 3500? americans. By the way, sometime the rich have to have tax cuts. That is how they somtimes get the means to hire people. And look waht happened after the "Great Pelousi" took over "the most transparent congress" ever.

When did they say that? I don't remember any president giving the union controlling stock in a company. Woops, sorry to waste this space. This is another question he won't answer.

I knew you wouldn't answer the question because you have no answer. I never mentioned anything about wars. How much of my tax money is The Messiah paying you to get on this sight to pat him on the back and stir crap?

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE MEESSIAH IS SUCCEEDING? 10.2% IS NOT SUCCESSFUL. SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS NOT SUCCESSFUL. THE GOV. RUNNING BANKS, AUTO COMPANIES OR ANY OTHER KIND OF BUSINESS IS NOT SUCCESSFUL. JUST LOOK AT MEDICARE & SOCIAL SECURITY. THE GOV. DICTATING WAGES TO PEOPLE UNDER CONTRACT WITH A COMPANY (EXECUTIVE OR HOURLY) IS NOT SUCCESSFULL. A POLITICAL PARTY BE LABELED AS DOMESTIC TERRORISTS IS NOT SUCCESSFUL. NEED I CONTINUE........

AMEN!!!!!!!!

What I was getting at is that if the gov. could not run a cotton candy stand if they had to. I used Medicare to prove my point. Here is a quote from the Wall St. Journal: "The AMA came out in favor of the House bill today. Not a huge surprise, given the group’s endorsement of the health-care bill introduced in the House earlier this year. Still, the new version of the legislation splits a provision about Medicare payments to doctors — a $250 billion provision dear to the AMA’s heart — into a separate bill. The AMA’s president called for the two bills to be passed together. The AARP backed the two bills as well." So please tell me how the AMA was trying to defeat it. It also states in another article that the Messiah was booed once when he stated that he did not support caps on malpractice suits. That my friend is one of the biggest reasons for the rise in health care costs. If a person "CHOOSES" to eat at McDonalds they should expect to gain weight if they are not responsible to do something about it. If a person "CHOOSES" to go through a drive thru and buy a cup of coffee that they know is piping hot (otherwise they would complain) and the coffee spills in their lap and they get burnt, well I guess they should have been more careful. I don't always agree with some of the salaries these execs make, but I also know that it is not the gov. job or right to dictate how much a company pays its employees, executive or hourly. Let the "FREE MARKET" (or whats left of it) take care of it. People want to complain about the price of Nike shoes. Why do you think they are so high? Because MORONS still buy them.

This is why I can quote him: I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the Government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. --Thomas Jefferson The "50%" I stated was a guess on my part. THE MESSIAH said he had the approval of the AMA. So how are they defeating it? In the state of Missouri, Medicare is underfunded by 20%. Who do you think pays for that? The doctors pass that 20% on to the patients that have private or company provided insurance. That is another reason to not have the gov. involved in anything.

Why is it that when health care is talked about noone brings up the fact that at least 50% of Insurance costs are because of the stinking trial lawyers (ambulance chasers)? IMHO, If we were to discuss TORT REFORM instead of HEALTHCARE REFORM, we would solve more problems. The only thing this nonsense is going to do is bring the US DOWN to the level of the 3rd world countries with the gov. running everything.

Once we are paying 50 - 60% of our wages to taxes to fund this cluster, they will probably implement a Doctor czar (tsar?) to tell the doctors how much money they can earn.

I was part of the KCAP 92% NO. Yeah if the public knew the truth instead of what the media tells them, we would be off the hook and the Big Dogs in Dearborn would be shaking in their boots.

If we cower down to the company (and the IUAW) on these mods, it would take decades to regain lost benefits and wages. Especially if there is the no strike on wages. We would all be working for $14 per hour. Who, then, would be able to buy a new vehicle? You know FMC would not lower their sticker prices. I know these are trying times with the economy and all, but if you read these posts, you will see that the company has us right where they want us. Even on BON they have pitted plant against plant.

And what about a fighting chance for a skilled tradesman to do the job they were trained to do. I take a tremendous amount of pride in performing the trade I apprenticed some 25 years ago. For someone to be able to do my job (without me being able to grieve on misassignment of work) would be a slap in the face. Our wages have already been frozen. COLA is gone. Benefits have gone and copays have risen. And they want to remove our right to strike. We might as well be non-union if that is the case.

Get your facts straight. Not all "banks and automakers campaigned for and accepted money from the government".

Why do the elected officials have to "suck up with what they are told to do". I wouold have to vote those idiots out. They are elected by us not the union.

Maybe I am wrong, but doesn't there have to be an opening for the Trades to go to the line?

YOU JUST HELPED ME PROVE MY POINT. NOW, IMPROVE YOUR ENGLISH.

Die, I personally know mikem12 and I also have had one-on-one conversations with him about his 8 years of service in the military. For you to talk down to a fellow american and union brother who has served his country to protect your freedoms, like the one you use to come on here and spew the utter nonsense that you do, is simply appalling. If you are truly an american, you should appologize to him and stop knocking down anyone who does not totally agree with you mentality. I for one am trully grateful for the people who have served this country, I don't care what side of the political isle they sit on. On the other hand, several people have asked you several questions about several items and not one have you answered. Not that I ever expected you to. Isn't it nice to know that you have the freedom to say what you want to people and the thought police will not arrest you, yet?

If it is indeed BS, then why did the dems pull that segment out of the bill? I realize it was not worded as "death panels". If I recall it was called end of life counseling.

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