Captainp4

I've pulled it with my old 96 7.3 diesel without too much issue even when it was stock, but I don't know... the 6.2 gave me a bad taste with Ford gas engines - def fun unloaded, but feels like a dog with any weight behind it. I liked the older v10s more than them with a load. I haven't driven or towed with a new 7.3 gas yet though. To be clear, I know even an old 300 straight 6 would do it if I needed it to and the new gas engines would be perfectly fine, I just prefer the diesel torque and am waiting for a viable BEV or hybrid option to fill that void for me. Or maybe the gas 7.3 already has it, won't know until I drive one.

Lawncare. 30 ft enclosed trailer. I'm not sure of exact weight, never weighed it, but I'd guess around 10k based on other things I've towed with the same truck. My normal weekly route is under 200 miles, so BEV could work if I plug it in every night, but I also use the truck for personal use towing 4 wheelers or rock crawlers out to the mountains, so that's the main BEV hesitation. As far as gas.. I don't like the power curve of any gas engine I've driven for what I do with the truck (fairly heavy trailers hooked 95% of the time). Gas engine paired with a hybrid would seem to be the sweet spot for what I do with my truck, and the pro power thing would be pretty sweet for the camping weekends. Purely from a numbers standpoint the 7.3 would probably be fine, just not what I want and not enough to convince me to buy a new truck yet.

I'd be interested in a "powerboost" superduty for my business. After watching some videos on towing with the lightning and the significant range decrease I'm still a little skeptical about going full BEV unless the superduty has a lot more battery or some other tech breakthrough happens. Still rocking the 6.4 psd @ 8mpg waiting for Ford to give me an option besides another overpriced diesel with excessive maintenance costs and extra fluid I have to dump in it.

This sums up my impression pretty well. Seems pretty phone-it-in for the last ICE mustang ever.

I mean, I have no use for a pony car and will probably never own one unless it's a classic after I finish all my other projects so my opinion doesn't mean squat. Just saying what I see. It's all subjective anyway, that's the whole point of design. Some will love it and some will hate it.

To me, it looks like a mild evolution of s550 with headlights I don't like for some reason even though they aren't very different than previous ones. I don't see the foxbody/mustang 2 comparisons. I like the darkhorse. I kind of see the Camaro comparison, but I can't put my finger on why because it's not that much different than s550. Possibly the combination of uptick in rear quarter glass, sharpened quarter line, and upward slope on lower body line. I'm sure it's still distinctly Mustang if you were to see them side by side in person though.

Again I agree, but turning it loose with a driver (with an acceptable safety score) behind the wheel in a beta program is the only way you possibly solve it in a reasonable amount of time. Not saying 100% they will, just that I'm both impressed and surprised by the progress so far and believe they are closest of anyone trying. Assuming everything else works flawlessly there are still the .000000001% scenarios where there are no other options but to choose which person gets injured or killed. When does the AI get "smart" enough to make that call and how does it decide? These get even less likely if all the cars are running self driving software and communicating with each other, though personally I have no interest in letting the car drive for me in most circumstances.

I mean I agree with you that the extreme scenarios are more difficult and will certainly share if I see anything on my twitter feed or youtube, I still maintain Tesla is miles ahead on this and will be the one to "solve" it first, if anyone does.

Not to keep beating a dead horse or get too off topic, but saw this today, thought you guys might like it Obviously every scenario is different, but this drive hit almost all of the claimed problem areas from pedestrians to cyclists to left hand turns across traffic without a hiccup. They're making great progress on it.

I don't even know what engine our '17 reserve has, 2.0 ecoboost I think? I know it's more than she needs when I'm riding in the passenger seat though. 🤣 I really like this new one, might be an upgrade in our future.

I know the 6.2 has better peak hp numbers than the old v10 did, but it feels like an absolute dog when towing relatively heavy compared to it. Pretty quick without a trailer on it.

It is weird how the goal post is always shifting for the anti-EV crowd. Used to be because they were "slow" or "an appliance", now EVs are fast and some of them pretty exciting/enthusiast worthy it's not about performance anymore. (not saying you specifically, akirby, just a general observation about those that hate BEV no matter how many made up things they post on social media about BEV that you tell them aren't true.. there's always another reason) That said, I think it makes sense for Mustang to stay with ICE and possibly hybrid for as long as possible for the few diehards that are left. With concurrent BEV coupe if they can make the numbers work.

Does seem strange that they would drop the 7.3 after touting that as the optimal displacement for heavy work for so long and so frequently when it was coming out. Maybe they can eek some more economy out of a 6.8 with lower output for those that don't "work" their trucks as much as others and keep the 7.3 around for heavier work? Kinda like the triton 5.4/6.8 days... but quite a bit more displacement difference between those two. Wishful thinking wants it to be volume justification to stick it in raptor R and gt500 for one last hurrah of v8 glory, but much doubt there.

I'm sure the first blueballs cruise death will be the driver's fault and F did nothing wrong though, lol

As I've said multiple times already, that's why they're so far ahead. You have the option and understand it's a beta program, you're still ultimately responsible because you're supposed to be monitoring it. No other company has the balls to try that, but it's the only way it might work one day.