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  1. I called the Support center and they are investigating..........no one is able to get to the discount marketplace.........bad links I guess....we shall see
  2. I agree..........however since there is no GEN/JSP........at least you are working and continuing to accrue wages, bennies and seniority instead of ticking off sub credits and eventual tap credits while you wait for a trade recall..........that was done to help you........ However..........you may also be forgetting the fact that the last failed modification would have allowed you to retain your trade pay while working production.....however, that failed.....not for that specific reason albeit.... You have not lost your right to recall..........whenever it is brother..........and i sincerely hope it is soon for everyone........
  3. You still do not have all of your facts..........and that makes you ignorant.........your names asks for enlightenment......but alas there is no hope........ Also........your singling out of one individual who was fired..........versus hundreds that did the same..........makes this a personal attack or vendetta.....take that shit elsewhere....... Why aren't you digging up the info on Mary Springs brother/sister............same thing............same plant............or are you Freddies ex wife? WTF
  4. I understand what you are saying, but rather than bring everyone down to a common rate..........we personalized the higher rates in 2007 so nobody took a pay cut due to the mergers.......the thought was that we would strive for wage parity in 2011 when the industry gets back on track....and bring everyone up.
  5. Your memory is one of urban myth.............there was no sting.........only the sting of your bullshit remarks and slander. Yes.....many people that are fired "actually" did something wrong.............just like Mary Springowski's siblings were fired............. and yes............we get them buyouts afterwards..............this is in agreement for them to drop their grievances...... but another point you are incorrect on.............is the fact that these are buyouts..........not buyoffs idiot...... Even is someone stole, cheated or lied.............which many brothers and sisters often do for reasons known or unknown............ They still worked many years at a company..........and were owed something for their years of service............regardless of whatever they did........or whether they were sorry, or it was a moment of weakness, or whatever........... Mary's siblings were wrong.............they were fired...........they got the buyout............for their years of service...........even guilty people deserve a return on their vested interests..... You are an idiot, but if you get fired...........I wish you have the opportunity also......... and by the way...............this was already belabored on another thread that died out for lack of any more to say or explain...........beating a dead horse over and over....only makes one tired.......... so do not take everyones lack of attention to your bullshit posts...to mean that we are giving you any credence.............what is happening is that you are being ignored........as I also will do henceforth...........
  6. None of you have a single valid point............ Not one of you know anything of the facts of the case...unless you were directly involved in the representation of the case..........therefore all you have is speculation and rumor mongering.........and your "opinion" is based on merely that......... therefore.........your opinion is flawed. So you saw someone or heard someone was escorted out of the plant............. If I had a quarter for every time that happened.......I'd be rich........ Who are you to assume you know all of the the facts of the case........ and what makes you capable of rendering a opinion on anyones grievance or appeal.......all of this you then make on a public forum behind a fake name with your shithouse lawyer opinion.... You are an idiot........with the appertaining opinion of one. Maybe you should guide us all Oh Enlightened One..........standing at Solid House like Julius Caesar at a gladiator fight.........and we will hold our grievances up to you....... and you could give us a "thumbs up" or "thumbs down".......
  7. You are full of shit..................most of these posts are all from the same damn person........the same one that called Nadine and told her to get on here................ We all know who that was.............we all know her political agenda................she thinks she can hide behind a few fake user id;s and pm her few idiot friends from her secret club......................... YOU ARE ALL A JOKE.............Captain..........let us leave this thread............lost causes with personal poliyical agendas...all of em........
  8. Typical cries of the unelectable during an upcoming election period.........soon you again will go away to lick your wounds until you can again emerge from beneath your rock...... It is no secret that the last proposal was UNPOPULAR........... and if you noticed.......the IUAW went around "to answer questions on the package"........there was no hard sell here folks.........it was ugly........... but Bob believed there was a chance for Solidarity amongst union brothers and sisters .....he truly believed it was your choice.......the highest authority's decision to make...... was it so bad to have someone who is supposed to allow you to make a decision.....to give you all an option? The plants that are losing capacity and shifts RIGHT now as we speak.............would have additional volume and product if you voted yes............. It was a gamble that it would pass.........because many plants felt safe.....they had sales and product..........and because it tailcoated several other concessionary mods..........but Bob believed that you....the membership.......should be able to decide if the trade off was worth it.........or not....... IT WAS YOUR CALL............and you overwhelmingly said no.........so get over it.......and just because there is increased bitterness and resentment in the most dire times ever for our industry.......does not mean that you idiots "have a better idea"...... Your opposition leaders are less than stellar.........most are laughable..........unpopular even at their own locations....usually repetitious in their election losses.......only half-assed knowledgeable of the contract......and your thinking that "now is the time" because we can blame a global recession on the IUAW leaders and maybe we will get elected?????? How about getting a life...............I meanwhile........will quietly wait until once again.........you all (all 60 of you) go away once again............
  9. This assumption of tying the LSI to Fred is so absurd....it sickens me. Your LSI would be a blessing to your plant, who has undegone several line speed decreases, repeated indefinite layoffs, and hundreds of temporary loans to other locations from the line speed decreases. Now ....acording to you....the company proposes a Line Speed Increase to your plant, becuase sales are up and you are working overtime.........and they are obviously going to reduce your task for the year (that is what usually happens)....... ......and you say its a bad thing???????? .......AND YOU CONTRIBUTE IT TO A GRIEVANCE AWARD?????????????? I left this stupid ass forum before because of all of the bullshit misinformation being played out for political reasons. ... I mean honestly......do you guys at OHAP wake up every day, get dressed for work, and begin snorting around the media outlets like a truffle pig in search of the juicy fungus of persecution? (line borrowed from google ad but if the shoe fits)
  10. Listen up dude, if you have the balls.....call Chris yourself........I know who you are...so I know you know the phone number to get a hold of him. Go ahead.......call him and demand an answer from him.......... Just what I thought. You are a Chickenshit............ C'mon......is this how you dumbasses plan on achieving your secret agenda! HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH good luck with that!!!!!!!!LOL
  11. Oh I see, but its okay for a non employee bitter ex wife to get on here and post.....and you eat up her posts like candy.......you sir, are a dumbass hypocrite
  12. Quit...............go somewhere else if its so bad........ go to where there is no UAW...........save a job of someone who cares by your departure. You have it so bad........ Better yet.........if we do get something out of this........refuse to accept it........LOL
  13. and I remember the battle of the overpass............so let's drag up a totally non-related incident and apply it to your bullshit argument? This is purely political......give it up..........no one is going to answer you.......you will claim conspiracy........coverup.......blah blahhh... no one will answer again..........some OHAP shithead will bump this thread with some stupid ass anti-UAW comment............. bottom line...........you know he can't answer even to defend himself.............so quit wasting our time with your stupid OHAP politics. Maybe you should extend your effort toward getting another product....so far from what we see....you make the Econoline......and bullshit down there.
  14. Your facts are erroneous.........that is the problem......going around with half assed facts causes one to form half assed opinions.
  15. Gary did not make these rules, they have always been there.....nothing new. Let me explain. Before the new contract.......if you were a laid off journeyman.....you had up to 2 choices 1. Go back to your previous production classification and remain on the Preferential Placement list for recall rights to your trade in zone, or 2. Be laid off to GEN/JSP as a tradesmen and wait for recall Back then.....no one really went to production.......because you were paid 40 hours at trades rate to be in GEN/JSP and could wait forever. New contract...........Now that there is no GEN/JSP bank you would be sitting on ILO ticking off Sub and Tap credits until exhausted....so.....based on opportunities in production at other locations.......trades were allowed to bust back to production just like before......with these two differences..... 1. Trades who never had production experience could go to open production jobs if there were openings, and 2. Temporary openings (long term temporary) openings were created at plants in production that employees could transfer to. This gave the laid off tradespersons more options to work rather than sit and tick off sub credits........ At no time did it give trades who went to these temp openings the right to knock out graduating apprentices at the receiving location.....You never had that right....ever. We do not have national seniority and never did. For example.......if you were laid off at Maumee......and temporarily went to production at AAI, you would have rights to bid on a new requisition for your trade, by seniority in zone. However brother........this is where you are confused. They are not putting on new apprentices at AAI. Ford has not indentured any new apprentices anywhere since 2006. The openings you are mistaking are their graduating apprentice postings. Basically internal postings for departmental placement of graduating apprentices......They are not openings for new apprentices I can assure you. rather than put on new apprentices.....the NJAC would surely recall laid off journeymen in zone by seniority......it would only be the right thing to do..... Let me give you another example not using AAI and their confusing internal posting procedure......... Say you were laid off from Maumee as a trade and went to Chicago temporarily as a production worker........you would not go to Chicago and knock out one of their 3rd year apprentices and take his job. It doesn't work that way. And when that apprentice graduates one year later while you are there at Chicago.....you wouldn't say "Now that you are a journeyman, I am going to take your journeyman spot". It doesn't work that way.......it never did...... that is exactly what you are asking to happen at AAI........you are asking to sign a posting for a graduating apprentices spot....not a new apprentice....... This is not anything new brother.........and I know it may not have been explained to you correctly.........and I know that in the past there were struggles with AAI wanting to keep within........but this time there is no violation...... You still have what you always had.........preferential recall rights to your trade ....in zone......on an opening....and a graduating apprentice never constituted "an opening". Only national seniority would allow such......and in my opinion........we will never see that. I hope I explained to you with examples you could understand........I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news.........I could only imagine how much you want back to your trade.....just as I would. But it is not Munafo and Sommerville, they are okay on this one..........
  16. So......let me get this straight.... Discharge for accusations of theft from the Company are okay?.....They must be okay with you..........because there are hundreds of alledged cases that have been reinstated due to the facts of the case.....but I do not see you or anyone else bitching about their case on this or any other forum....... How about threats.....fights..........AWOLs......are they all okay?? Should those be aired on a public forum so we can decide? Would you like to do a poll on blue oval for every grievance and the outcome decides? Maybe you are not even a Ford employee......maybe you are a supervisor that has a vendetta against the person......maybe you are his bitchy neighbor.....a disgruntled old girlfriend........who knows...who cares who you are.............and who cares what you think....... This forum is a shithole full of shitheads........I cannot actually believe that you expect to remain "anonymous" while demanding confidential and private information on an uncontrolled "public" forum. Are you really that stupid? P.S. Nevermind answering the stupid question.......I went back and read some of your old posts.........I have my answer, thank you.
  17. No one owes you any explanation.....that is why. PLEASE NOTE: This is a public forum....on which many of you are misrepresenting facts.......defaming character...making false accusations......and slandering reputations. I hope you all truly understand the legal ramifications of such actions........and do not think that you can hide behind your little fake user ID's.......a decent lawyer will find all of you easily.
  18. You people are pathetic..........the facts are that none of the charges against him were ever proven by the Company......there were never any federal or state charges filed either. There was never any testimony to prove anything by anyone....he wasn't fired for racketeering either.....your all all full of BS. You guys are like a lynch mob going out on a half cocked story and hanging someone like you are judge and jury. I hope the individual involved gets a court order to find out who each one of your User ID's belongs to.......and sues you all collectively for slander. Shame on you. I am appalled at your misconduct.
  19. I understand....it is ridiculous that we are in the worst economy in decades if not the century.....the union members......go against there own........... bite the hand that feeds them.................. Nothing against you brother but I am done with Blue Oval................I will only be on FFF from now on.......If I am going to take beatings....I will take them from known UAW members in a non-public forum............. for all I know Shelby himself is on here as one of the trolls.....sitting there in his underwear laughing.......... If anyone needs me to answer any questions.........I will be there.........If you are not a member...join.........if you don't want to join....fine and Goodbye to all of those who were decent.....
  20. I understand how you feel...there was a lot that happened down there since the Vulcan line.....I wish you good luck... Don't judge the many on the actions of the few..............
  21. That's how I roll.................newbie....nice mouth..
  22. I think you have me confused with someone else twodogfam...........I am not a plant union rep..........
  23. Boy...you are no accountant.... So let me get this straight..............Ford borrows 23 billion dollars from a bank and mortgages everything..........puts it into an account and WHALLA!!! Hey everyone.....Ford is just fine..............don't worry about the interest of a billion a month that is due...........don't worry about the mortgage.............don't worry about sales.......as long as we make cars we don't need to sell em............... Your right......................every one of us should go out and get a loan also...........mortgage everything you have........and then you too can be rich like Ford. Who could have known it was so easy???? Thank you standup.........now sitdown
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