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One thing I do like is ford suvs lwb variants are proportioned excellently. The suburban n wagoneer l look like hearses on comparison.

Though thr 4th gens look good, they are def dated. I actually feel they look less bloated and unsubstantiated sitting next to their competitors. The wagoneer and gms have a larger footprint overall, but their overhang and broad upright grills give them a more stately posture and look. The fords look sporty and light in comparison, but looks incomplete at the same time.

I think the counterpoint is, as successful as the expy is, ford never really does enough to it to rele make it a run for gms money. There has been a few times when the expy rele had a chance to get Into sales, like the 03 model, and the 18 nav, but theres always something that ford does that prevents the fs suvs to crest that hump. I dnt think the doors themselves need to be changed, however the expy front seems too tame compared to the 4th gen, which was already tame, but handsome.

Welp hopefully that many went into other developments.

Looking at the spied interior shots, ford changed the door cards for the expy as well. They won't be using the tucked in squeeze handles but more traditional pull type handles.

It would essentially be what the stealth performance package is now, even if they name it just st-line. It's true gm doesn't bring over previous design components to new gens, but if I recall, 2025 is the first time they're even doing a mid cycle refresh on their fs suvs. They normally sell so well, they don't do refreshes, just add features and let them ride into a complete redesign. Gm makes so much mo ey on their suvs they can afford to redo the body every time they redesign ot.

They haven't released it yet, hopefully they add some body flourishes that make the navigator stand out a bit from the expy. One thing I noticed in the spied trucks, the nav looks way less imposing and aggressive than the nautilus, with less facial appliques and creases. The headlights are also less aggressive, more round and curvy.

Don't care too much about the trim names. More interested about feature content and thoughtful changes. Saw leaked pics of the armada, it's looking good and looks like it will come with the same suspension as the qx80.

Have you tried the expy seats, they are just as cushy but more body type friendly. And the rest of the vehicle is somewhat similar.

From the forum, the poster stated that a dealer had a blog that posted the photo. Apparently the trim range will now mimic the explorer and escape now, so it'll be active, king ranch, and platinum, with possible limited and st trims.

Ford expedition active per ford expedition forums.

O I meant both, but the original quote was about the newest reviews on the nautilus.

In isolation, the vehicle is very smooth and quiet. However, upon comparing against its competitor set, bof, almost all cross shoppers and journalists day the same thing: its crude against the air suspension and the transmission is too rough. A Canadian journalist even said the solid axle lx600 was more comfortable in terms of ride. The interior and seat comfort ate still tops, but refinement needs improvement, it's showing it's age in the dept. As much as I love my nav, I can admit that it doesn't rele feel as refined against my dads escalade most of the time.

They will def need to work on refinement if they wanna promote quiet flight. The nautilus isn't the smoothest, comfiest or quietest in its class, so I'm a little worried about if lincoln did more than enough for the nav.

For better idea of its updates.