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  1. Hyundai and Kia are making strides to try and break into the psuedo-luxury segment that Lincoln is trying to break out of. My wife and I test drove a Hyundai palisade and honestly the quality seemed the same as the aviator that was in our local dealer showroom. Sure the power isn't there and the ride is a little more unrefined but most people buy up so the improvement over their current daily will be noticeable.
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    Build quality worries

    Oh I sat in one at my local dealer and the glasses holder wouldn't close there were multiple misaligned body panels. Not as bad as what you've shown above but just not what I'm looking for in a $70k vehicle.
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    Seeking Owner Input - Long Term Opinions?

    Yep got bench for people capacity although the console was out of the question because I was giving up a truck and I still need to haul drywall,plywood etc.
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    Seeking Owner Input - Long Term Opinions?

    I had no choice my family is big on road trips, and with 5 of us I need cargo room, but I like the proportions of the L so it wasn't too much of a sacrifice some of the colors lend itself to the L. I don't like the cream or black or blue in L but the burgundy and red look great in my opinion. I opted for burgundy.
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    Seeking Owner Input - Long Term Opinions?

    I get those numbers with my 4x4 L
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    Expedition MAX vs Navigator L - Worth the $?

    Auto level headlights are cool I like watching them "ratchet" down the rear end of the driver in front of me. The loaners are nice though you have to reserve them weeks in advance at my local dealerships I can't plan part failures so they sometimes stick me in an mkx if that happens which sucks. The ride is really what sets them apart for me sure the leather is supposed to be better and you can get 30 way massaging seats in the nav but the cabin noise and smoothness of the ride is infinitely better in the nav than the expy.
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    Seeking Owner Input - Long Term Opinions?

    Nice try JD Power... Seriously though after 18 months and 25,000 miles there aren't any big things that would stop me from buying another. There are issues with the electronics regarding the seat memory, radio, side mirrors, ECM, TCM, etc. They have been minor inconveniences to me personally. I tow my family's boat approx 4,000 lbs and it's no problem. I've pulled a travel trailer that weighed 7,000 lbs, I wouldn't recommend much more than that as the braking and swaying gets uncomfortable for me. Having 3 kids being able to separate them is awesome. I'm constantly reminded how quiet the interior is when I ride in friends and families vehicles and get back into the navigator. I wouldn't recommend the rear entertainment system to anyone. After playing with one at the dealer I opted not to get it because if I couldn't figure it out my kids weren't going to be able to. For the money 3 decent tablets for the kids and some headphones goes a long way added bonus you can keep them on educational content. I live in the suburbs and when I'm forced to go downtown I take the wife's car as it is smaller. In Houston parking big vehicles isn't typically a problem due to the abundance of large trucks, parking lots and garages are usually sized to accommodate. I got the L and it's not that bad bulk grocery shopping and being able to put everyone's suitcase in the back on long trips sold it for me. I think that answered most of your questions. Though I have zero experience of minivans, I rode in one 10 years ago that belonged to my aunt so cannot give an AB comparison. The only thing I do often is wonder why I didn't just get an expedition platinum. I would have saved 15k and likely not lost much. That's my .02 also if I was to buy one now you might as well wait for the 2020 as it is supposed to be getting all of the tech goodies from the aviator like lane centering and some better automated driving.
  8. Anyone have the orange wrench indicating a powertrain/awd/4wd failure? Known causes? Estimated time to fix? Of course I'm 500 miles from home when this happens but at least it's only me stuck and not my entire family.
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    Can confirm looked at one yesterday is a mini spare.
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    2020 Lincoln Navigator Order Guide

    I'll take a bluetooth module that doesn't randomly disconnect and better body panel alignment while they are at it.
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    2018 Navigator Sync Update

    I had my APIM? Module replaced and the firmware they loaded was still 3.0 build 17302. I also asked about 3.3 and they said they'd check and I haven't heard anything in 2 weeks. I'll ask again when they get my interior door panel in to replace it.
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    2018 Navigator L battery draining?

    Haven't had battery issues but a few weeks ago I had a temporary issue with the drive modes. Fortunately for me it came back when I cycled power. Mine nav also has about 14k miles but I let the dealer know and they inspected but found nothing of concern. Good luck electrical issues are time consuming to troubleshoot for anyone.
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    2018 Navigator Sync Update

    Mine from April of '18 is same as yours.
  14. Mine has done all but the Sirius radio. Worse for me is bluetooth restarts sporadically sometimes 3 times in a 15 minute drive sometimes never.
  15. You can try using scheduled starts in the Lincoln way app as an option just have it start every 10 or 15 minutes during the window you're inside.