Bob Rosadini

Agree ..as I've said many times..electrification makes sense..but at a measure pace . But for sure not at the politically driven pace that shows no concern for what the majority wants or can afford.

............And for the foreseable future (the big question-"foreseable" is 5yrs? 10 yrs?) hybrids make the most sense???

Probably but I'm sure it will be at a big premium to the7.3 or a big block GM-or however that is that buildfs a clone..there is one correct?

Correct on the increased 7.3 production. Again, any clue how big the class 6 and 7 markets are in CA and OR. CA must be huge. So all the players in those states will need a capable gas power plant. Someone will be a big winner I would imagine.

Plus I believe they refused to offer any counter proposals. I think that does constitute "bad faith". Now we are hearing "progress" which I interpret to me their has been some give and take.

That too but I still say there are plenty of vocational buyers in CA-and Oregon-who want a conventional class 6/7 but as they are forced to go with gas, will still want air brakes...my broken record speach...like the contractor who uses a 6-8 yd dump and pulls a loader back hoe or the tree guy who pulls a big tracked skid steer etc etc. How many class 6/7 trucks are registered in California? Probably more than in the 6 New England states combined I would guess.

Which instead of setting a target strike company that was the usual in "pattern" , Mr. Fsain thought he would inflict pain on all three with strategic targets. Guess what...looks like the end result will be a "pattern" settlement.

Because the NLRB is populated by Obama Cheerleaders

This GM statement says it all and Ford and Stellantis have similar views; The statement added that the leaked information "calls into question who is actually in charge of UAW strategy and shows a callous disregard for the seriousness of what is at stake. UAW leadership needs to put the interests of its members and the country over their own ideological and personal agendas." Hopefully the UAW membership has the smarts to recognize...what is reasonable,? and when is someone building what he perceives as his "brand".

That was not the way our contracts were. Any one could bid an opening. Then seniority would prevail..but "Most senior qualified"...and it worked but at times over a grievance =that would go to various levels.

So contract has no qualification other than seniority? That truly sucks.. In my "day", most contracts had language under Job postings that were like...Preference will be given to senior most "qualified" employee. Now if you awarded job to other than senior bidder you had better have a good case as to why he did..excuse me...he/she.did not get job or you would have a grievance.

Here is some news....Go to Ford.com, commercial trucks ,and open 650/750, then specifications. Lists air brakes across the board..650/750, gas or diesel. Not true. Still a "forward year projection. Unless of course, the CARB ruling brings then to their senses and if they want to sell many 650/750's in CA, lack of air option may be a deal breaker. Here in Northeast, heavy 750's were used by many utilities in the Cautillan/Blue Diamond era as heavy line/bucket/polecat trucks. Never see the OAP trucks now..all FL and Navistar. Surprisingly Paccar hasn't made a move there.

thx- I know -was a general question

Did you ever think if there wasn't a union, good performers just might get raises sooner. Much easier to recognize good effort/performance without contractual restraints. And I should ad I've been retired 13 years and I'm sure in this woke world there are probably all sorts of "equality" rules that must be considered

Of course they won't. If they are realistic they will hope to get somewhere close to current UAW rates I would think. By the way what are current UAW dues? And are there any union paid for benefits-other than a newsletter.?

And the greater the contract language the longer the negotiation took. "work expands with time allocated" And what else does a paid union rep have to do....and I guess same could be said for a corporate labor department?

You make a point that I wanted to make in my reply to Capt 4...I think some pay "justification" in the job is the shear boredom and the physical aspect...doesn't have to be heavy to cause wear and pain. Not everyone would put up with it and if the bucks were not there the turnover wojuld be unreal I imagine.

Old Retired guy like me wastes a lot of time watching those videos..in particular if it involves trucks. And I come away with the idea that I would go nuts doing some of these jobs- like pushing the plastic grills on to the chassis. .."1..put in place, 2, slap left side, 3 slap right side. Next! Then again the guys installing groomed instrument panels- a bit more attention required.. Do those jobs get same pay as first example?

Wow, Reading all these posts on apprenticeships, classifications, it sounds like over the years the negotiating process has created a paper nightmare. And if "crafts" have a separate vote that can keep a plant "out"? That is delay a settlement??? Sounds like the Federal govt. The Federal register just grows and grows as the idiots in Congress have to "pass legislation" with their name on it or they are not making their "mark". I've always thought.."pass a bill that has 50 pages and you have to eliminate 50 pages.

Yes and exactly what the CARB loons want.

My guess Joe is they were going home. The big storm we were supposed to get tracked to the east..did not turn out to be the monster they thought it was. I had to go to a memorial service on Cape Sat AM and when I went by the rest area along the canal at Boiurne, there were about 6 or 7 tree service buckets parked. Waiting for the "call". didn't happen.

Bingo. As long as people are walking into the employment office that is all the wage survey you need.

Oj I'm assuming you are a senior employee. When you started 1.5 yrs may have been a reasonable progression rate. But the competitive pressures on the company were not the same. Can you imagine the lines that formed when Henry instituted the $5 day? Just as they would form today if Ford offered your wage after 18 months of service. Why? Because there are probably too many people that are making half of what you make including your benefit package. Two tier works because there are too many people out there for who that start wage represents a huge gain. Now an 8 year progression in my book is nonsense. This is one of those concepts that can work to the benefit of Ford and the UAW. Both just have to have a realistic view..which right now IMO neither have when it comes to this issue.

Good luck Fuzzy in the apprenticeship program..I think you will do well. And you make another good point that supports what I said..I retired 13 years ago and long before I retired PLC's were on the scene...and if an electrical contractor didn't have a working knowledge of those, he wasn't doing our work. And when I said an electrician is making 4 bucks more than someone slapping grills into place both the UAW and Ford are responsible for that. Its all about getting a contract and both management and the union play to the vote count.

Well Fuzzy you make a good point...but whose fault is that? My bet is there are not many electricians (AKA votes) in the bargaining unit as there are guys/gals on the line. Also is there only one electrician classification ? If so I have to believe given the level of automation today, the skill sets required of an electrician today are far different than they were 20 years ago. Or is the maintenance on these robots outsourced to the manufacturer? In any case if a journeyman electrician is content to make 4 bucks more than someone slapping grills in or putting two pieces in a valve body and pushing it down the line, I guess the benefits must be a huge offset to keep that electrician in the UAW.