Bob Rosadini

I didn't say anything about "premium" vs work trucks. Are you making the point that the class 4, 5 and 6 that the GM/Navistar JV are making are "premium"? The ones I see are work trucks. I make my point simply on the basis that GM had an entity that was built around the truck business....be it a 1/2 ton or a class 8. They abandon a segment of the truck business and then come up with a scheme to go back into that segment but instead of giving it to the organization with a history in that business, they give it to an entity that if anything was a lesser player. And the majority of those dealers, don't have the facility or the personnel to do what their GMC counterparts could do. But I'm sure in due time, perhaps with funds from GM -or their banker- they will construct service bays with 14' doors and train and or hire the right service people. But I defer to your opinion given you are in the business of selling trucks.?

Ya Think? I'll have to disagree with you on this one-or should I say I disagree with the brains at GM. Like I said..GMC was synonymous with trucks..big trucks too. How many Brigadier badges were sold vs Bruin? Generals vs Bisons etc. Local GMC dealer did very well but when the Chevy decision was made, no 1 sales guy?..He will now sell you a 5500 Ram! And Service? How many Chevy dealers have the facility to say nothing of service personnel. For sure, GM can spoon out the money for facility upgrades, training programs etc but did it make sense? My uneducated opinion say it was a political decision to give it to the big dog at the table vs. the little dog. Or better yet, wouldn't it have made sense to keep it as in the past?....if you were a Chevy dealer who did sell medium/heavies in the old days, continue the dual badge program. As a Ford guy however, I'm glad they did what they did..better for the Ford dealers that are trying to survive with their financial commitment to be a "Ford Pro" house.

Well guys, thx for discussion on regional FDAF efforts. In my opinion the Dealer originated ads I have seen hit closer to home than the ones that come from Dearborn. Not surprising..guys in the trenches know what the real war is about. Back to Gheads comment on the "red tractor". Not only should they be showing OAP mediums in background, but also what I would call "Ford Memories"..be it a tractor, big truck or a Model A. Capitalize on Ford's legacy. (I'll draw the line on a Willow Run B-24?) I have to say, I've seen a GMC add not that long ago that featured a couple of big buck boat/horse haulers but it fades to a fire scene and a big GMC pumper -50's era (7m 650?? long nose) pulls up. But I digress..GM is as bad as Ford...They spend years building up.."GMC..the Truck People From General Motors"..then what do they do when they re-enter class 4,5,6? They give the Chevy dealers the business!

Do the dealers have any input as to what those adds feature? Or does the "big house" do it all. The Chicago dealers have had some good ones....didn't they have the one in which two cops in a CV pull a kid in a hot Mustang over..then they take turns doing burnouts in the kid's car!

Hah! The marketers that blessed the add with a Farmall in the background probably didn't know Ford was a powerhouse in tractors not that many years ago. As for Honda, agree...I grew up when a Briggs & Stratton was considered a better small engine..so my elders told me?..Today? I own 8 small Honda powered pieces-usually start on first pull! That Honda loyalty rubs off- if it wasn't against my religion I would be driving an Accord.

I've commented more than once about Ford's adds for light duty that NEVER show a medium duty at least in the background. I always thought that would be a freeby plus...maybe by emphazing that Ford can build a "big truck" and also give the mediums some exposure, some might say.."well if they can build a big truck they should know what they are doing with a pick up". Well New England Ford dealers have been running an add that is truly geared to the commercial market. No campers, no boat haulers, every vehicle in the add is doing some work and the punch line is.."see your tax accountant to see how you might benefit by a new truck expenditure or words to that effect. Then add closes with an image of all kinds of Fords set up for work..including two OAP mediums! Shocker. Then again this is not a national Ford add...it is a New England Ford Dealers add.

That is a unique N in the sense that grill piece was used on gas job N's up to 750-no shutters...850 and up gas were Super dutys and had shutters. and for sure a 6-71 would be a 850/950 -D and have shutters . The truck in that picture has the correct hood with the "DIESEL" letters on hood....Maybe a special order?? I drove a N-950-D, (Ryder) 250 Cummins, RT-910 RR was I think a 66 or 77 with the high roof. Was a nice driving truck and the cab was pretty quiet. As for maintenance, as 7M and GearH said, a nightmare. although dog house was pretty big...common for all those 90"BBC trucks of that era. International 2000's had f'glass tilt hoods which also was an option on White 9000's. Dodge had swing out front fenders .

Not talking about today's market...talking about the p-71 in its prime. I think the police 4.6 was 250 HP.

Can you imagine a P71 with a Coyote/10 speed?

Thx. I have to believe up here in NE they would be beneficial in minimizing to some degree the salt spray that gets on underbody...a lot of steel vs. aluminum there! I visit a friends shop at least once a week a get to look up at vehicles on lifts. Underbody corrosion is unreal...doesn't matter what brand ..although Ford guy that I am I always take "heat"☹️

My point exactly...Joe can jump on this...."Energy Transfer Tech"..toss up between Teamsters and UAW

Seems to me Farley is so far out on the electrification limb he has a problem now with getting off. The reality is between the grid, world scene on rare earth supply, and a large percentage of the population not on board, his all out commitment was popular two years ago, with the greens, Joe Six Pack has other ideas. As I've said..in due time, but not at the forced and subsidized pace we are on....while China continues building coal fired generators.

Wow...What an opportunity for .."good paying union jobs"

Guys, Been thinking of getting inner liners for my new 150. Anyone do this and if so who did you get them from.?

Anyone care to guess the cost to just formulate these regs? Assuming significant testing was done to support/validate these regs. Imagine India and China will be duplicating these regs?

When you refer to it as.."650/750 diesel sales ban" I thought it was a class 6/7 diesel sales ban?? Not specific to the 6.7

I thought the diesel ban in CA and Oregon was effective in '25??

Thx Joey

Here is latest 650/750 order guide..mostly deletions 25 650:750.Major Changes.pdf

Guess I wasn't aware that we had other pumped storage systems in US. Anyone aware of any current study on harnessing tidal flow??..Bay of Fundy was a hot spot at one time.

Google Blenheim- Gilboa Power Station. This is a power plant in upstate NY that has two large water reservoirs high above the power plant. During low demand periods water is pum ped up to these reservoirs. During high demand periods, water gravity feeds the turbines below generating power.

Thx- I was about to comment on these "small package" units..not quite sure of proper name but I thought the key benefit was these were not a long lead time project vs the time it would take to bring a large scale nuke on line.

Well Rick how about this from a friend who lives in the Granite State.... "That was something to watch. l laugh at the EVs recharging in Hooksett NH at the welcome center on 93. Some of the locals have found out they can reach over the guard rail from Rt 3A. They back up to the rail and pull the cord around to plug it in. The BEST part of it is the way they have to park! Sitting there plugged in looking straight at Merrimack Station. The coal fired PSNH plant a mile away making the electricity!! LMAO! Can't make it up Bob."................

Amen..not sure what DeanH your hands on experience is but I have a lot of faith in that experience..as I do with Ice Capades experience...he had a lot of dealership experience at a large dealership..where as a high school kid I would go to their back lot that was not secure and fire up a two stick T-950 Super Duty that they would leave the keys in-always respectfully I might add being very careful to not do anything to that truck that might be harmful ? In any case S'Svt, to your point I don't think Toyota was a "johnny come lately" to the EV's "at a measured pace " approach. I can recall reading quite some time ago how Mr. Toyoda was outspoken in his position that the ultimate answer involved a broad offering of all forms of power...ICE, Hybreds. etc. Toyota's efforts to ramp up battery production makes sense at a measured pace. I think Farley went overboard in his initial EV position to appeal to the press and the public. If I were a dealer I would in fact have a concern where my supplier was going.

On this subject I would have to believe that Farley's very heavy handed (IMO) approach to pushing a Tesla sales model has a lot to do with this attitude. Also some of his other views..like jumping into Formula One...May sound good to the more affluent buyer, but to "JOE six pack"..a handle desecrated by Joe biden?...the dealer in Buffalo probably says .."WTF"? Also his absolute immediate embrace of EV's vs Toyota's very measured approach has I'm sure many dealers saying.."told you so." Finally the Ford Pro push as I see it does NOT embrace what the commercial market is. To ask a dealer to install 14' overhead bay doors when you only see Ford pushing light trucks and Transits I think fosters a sense that they are clueless. I just noticed a nice Ford ad finally stressing "Fords at work". But in that footage, what do we see? Nothing but pick ups! Why wouldn't you show a dirty F-750 dump truck..or a 650 with a 24' box delivering an appliance to a home owner...oops...different advertising budget, can't have that!. Many of the older dealers probably have memories of Ford's big investment in heavy trucks (HN-80)- then pulling the plug a little more than a year after its introduction..ancient history I know, but still history.