Bob Rosadini

Because often in negotiations "optics" are critical. Don't you think that was raw meat for some of your more rabid brothers? Not sure if that is the correct word but Fain basically said "*uck you" . No different than Putin and Xi messafged by not rttending the G-20.

Ever see a fat UPS driver? Everything they do is closely monitored. And the UPS settlement was unbelievable..in particular if a package car driver wage- as the delivery drivers I believe are still called- is the same as a guy driving double bottoms

Agree. but no way should two tier be abolished..that utimately hurts the senior employee. Two tier lowers the total labor cost making the company more competitive with the non union US Japanese and Korean operations thereby insuring a plant closure is less likely .And as I said previously, two tier will not work when there is wage parity in the market. But when I watch an assembly video and see some person slapping a grill on a 150 at what $30 or more per hour and there are order pickers in a warehouse making 25 would you rather have a repetitive job, and no offense, but lesser skill job in a warehouse for 25 or a 30 buck job at Ford.....with all kinds of benefits.

Well you my be right but as a practical matter, Farley is I believe the lowest paid of the big three. But its the same old story..does the rifleman in the trench make the same as the platoon leader, as the company co etc...Incoming could kill all three at once! But I also hear there are other issues so perhaps it is not all "milk and honey" as far as Farley is concerned. Like this loyal stockholder, customer has to listen to my pals rag me on recalls while Farley wants to pour money down the Formula One rabbit hole.

AK- Thx your third paragraph does a better job of summarizing the two tier concept. What is missing is a reasonable progression rate if you want to have a future. As for the NLRB? IMO forget it-totally in labor's pocket One other thing I should add. When I started as a trainee right out of college the big dog in the oil industry was OCAW- Oil, Chemical and Atomic Workers Union-60,000 workers. And later on unions experienced same pressures as every one and with bigger refineries closing smaller ones . OCAW was swallowed by paper workers union-with over 200,000 members . First time I had to negotiate in Maine with the paper workers, our policy was to open negotiations with a "state of the union" as to what issues our industry had to face. This guy interrupts me and says..."I don 't care what your problems are, I'm here to get best deal for my company". I countered with.."If your union paid closer attention to problems paper industry faced, there would probably be more paperworkers left in state of Maine". And that trend continued. Before I retired the paperworkers were swallowed by the Steel Workers. I was lucky as the USW rep I dealt with in another part of country was an old OCAW guy, survived the Paper Workers and then was the USW rep. I hear from him and he is bullshit as USW wanted him to go on a weekend to NYC for a big rally USW wanted to support for steel workers in So. America! Another example of unions at the top not in touch with the front lines.

I haven't followed every post on this subject but if you haven't read the post by Ice-Capades on Friday, it is a good one. Go back and read it as he posts as a guy who was on the union leadership side of the table. I on the other hand, spent 44 years on the other side of the table. And for the last 30 years or so I was the chief spokesman for the company. And my attitude was always the best resolution was one in which neither side was the winner as it meant both sides had to compromise. Looking back, I would say my best achievement was I instituted a two tier wage structure...which not only did I have to sell to the union, I also had to sell it to my management. We were faced with a decision to outsource our transportation function-or at least a large portion of it- to outside carriers whose labor costs were far lower than ours. I sold it to the unions on the basis that two tiers allowed us to stay competitive with outside carriers by keeping our fleet utilization up, thereby protecting senior drivers. And as long as the labor market had potential drivers waiting at the door, we justified the proprietary fleet operation-and two tiers worked. Once the market for drivers tightened, the concept would no longer work. As JP80 pointed out, I agree that a 10 year progression is unrealistic. Our progression rates were far lower and we could afford to advance new hires as there was always attrition at the top as senior drivers retired. The concept allowed us to fully utilize our equipment...much as two tiers allows the auto industry to function. Management IMO is asleep at the switch if they cave on this issue-the issue should be solved with reasonable compromise. Likewise, "big balls" Fain is doing his members no favors as the new hires that would come on board as dues payers will never get hired...when "Big Broncos" are built along side their little brothers in Hermosillio (sp?). The guy is totally out of touch with reality. And I have to agree, Farley's salary is a joke, but his job is not at stake, Fuzzy's job is and unfortunately, he gets it, but I think but too many of his co-workers swallow the bullshit hook line and sinker.

R-73 You are guy I'm talking about. And to AK's point, no I don't know anyone who has one (3.7). But If I were a business that did NOT need big power, high GVW but something with an 8' bed, I probably would buy it. Looking at it from another perspective, I'm that same guy and would I want to put an 18 year old kid...Or an older Jerk! ..in a vehicle that he loved to put his foot into? As someone posted I believe on BON, "Ecoboost was misnamed...should have been "Eco or Boost"?

I believe this is a good summary from the Order Guide. MODEL/SERIES/AVAILABILITY ● XL, STX, XLT, Lariat, King Ranch®, Platinum and Raptor™ MECHANICAL  New/Changed — None  Deleted — 3.3L V6 PFDI engine EXTERIOR  New/Changed — None  New Colors — Darkened Bronze Metallic — Shelter Green ● Deleted Paint Colors — Race Red — Stone Gray Metallic — Azure Gray Metallic Tri-Coat INTERIOR/COMFORT  New Interior Colors — None FUNCTIONAL  New/Changed — None SAFETY/SECURITY  New/Changed — None FORD CO-PILOT360™ TECHNOLOGY  New/Changed — None ● Deleted — None PACKAGES  New/Changed — Mobile Office Pkg (50M) — Tow/Haul Pkg (53T)  Deleted — XL Chrome Appearance Pkg — STX Appearance Pkg — XLT Chrome Appearance Pkg — XLT Sport Appearance Pkg — Trailer Tow Pkg — Max Trailer Tow Pkg — 2.7L V6 EcoBoost Payload Pkg — 360 Degree Camera Pkg — King Ranch Chrome Appearance Pkg — King Ranch Monochromatic Paint Package — Platinum Black Appearance Pkg — Moonroof & Tailgate — Blue Interior Pkg — Raptor Exterior Graphic Pkg — Raptor Carbon Fiber Pkg — Raptor 37 Performance Pkg OTHER ● Changed — None PACKAGES/OPTIONS DELETED ● Deleted — None ● Interior — None 2024 F-150® R

Dean You must be mistaken. We have a Ford Pro organization that is focused on commercial business...which apparently is defined as .. florists, beauty supply delivery, light package delivery etc. Must be as I have yet to see an add that clearly indicates a connection with a broad definition of "commercial". for example they run an add with an F-150 and some guy who may have some connection to a trade. Ever see a 550, 650 or 750 at least in the background? NO- at least I haven't. It is almost like anything that smacks of "medium duty" is ignored. Think Mr Kanis knows what a "shuttle door " is? I doubt it.

Agree on both points. There are plenty of people however who have no use for what they view as an overly complicated engine. "Turbos are one more thing that can go wrong...etc etc". Proponents of the 2.7 will I'm sure argue that 3.7 sales must have been low so what is the big deal? But I see it as one more base that Ford had covered.

Got it..by the way as these things are now put on with adhesive I guess if you were to take it off you would have to scrub old stuff off before you could put new one on. I also see a lot emergency 450/550s around here that are clearly diesels but no badge

Guys, My dealer contact told me today Order guide for '25 will be out late October. I just bought a new 150 and I asked the sales guy..great young guy- if he could get a medium order guide from truck mgr. He did..'24 guide that came out in July 22!

For sure it was a diesel..in addition to decal def tank visible.

Well this is clearly a diesel but unless it is some sort of test vehicle with a non Ford engine, my guess is they delete PS badge to facilitate shrink wrapping. F-650/750 will normally carry a Power Stroke badge or a "V-8" badge

This F-750 was in my neighborhood this week. Judging by appearance of tires, looked like it had just gone into service..squeaky clean. Interesting thing, it did not have Power Stroke badges. Also I recall the trade group these national tree guys belong to had circulated some sort of letter to the AMA requesting that the industry produce a suitable class 67 conventional with gasoline power given their typical high idle hours..In this case Bartlett "wasn't buying" Ting a bell 7M?

Thx Joey And further to this I thought it was some sort of camper conversion..My son said "No-looked like all seats were still in place"

THx Nice..in particular as owner kept the exterior original. Note panel over "School" . I imagine when he is at a show that comes off. These must have been very expensive when new given complexity. Back in Northeast, most school buses were conventional Ford/GMC/ Chevy chassis. No such thing as a pusher of any kind.

My son is N bound on 495 NW of Boston this AM and snaps this shot of what I think is a Crown with CA plates...Is it? Long trip for an old vehicle like that! 7M3...Is it a Crown..Never saw one with a pusher...not much room for an engine I would imagine Crown bus CA Plates.pdf

AK, Thx very much

By the way AK, any idea where I can get 10 speed ratios? Without knowing actual trans ratios, I did a comparison assuming my 275/60R 20's do 608 revs per mile I came up with...3.31's in what ever gear is .9 OD and RPM's at 1800 I would be at 60 MPH 3.73's same gear, same RPM 52MPH

AK, Thx...was hoping that was the case. The "automatic" traction control in my 3.31 sucks IMO ..you get that "crab like" action. I didn't realize the truck had that feature until recently- I thought 100% open dif. Which brings me to another "back in the day" story. Like in '71 Eaton approached us with a new traction control system. Had some sort of "exciter" hubs -driver activated. When "on" if system sensed higher rpm on one wheel , it would apply some air to that wheel. We agreed to participate and system was added to a single axle 358 Brockway, 230 cummins, RT 910 RR. We built a mud pit at our Albany NY terminal and it did work...in test conditions. tractor would proceed- "crab like" as it was. To the best of my knowledge, Eaton never did anything with it.

Thx for post..finally getting around to reading it as we had our 2 day truck show this past weekend and recovering from that.. So E lock dif is automatic-no driver control? And to clarify, I'm assuming it only locks when it senses a spinning wheel? I hope! Also the trans in my 22 is a 10R80 correct? Do you know what the respective gear ratios are in that trans?

Guys-please see my post in "150"

Guys, I bought a '22 5.0 Supercab with 9000 miles as a placeholder until I'm comfortable with new Ranger ( had a great offer on my super clean '04 FX 4 Ranger so figured I would accept it before its 20th birthday!) But shame on me I did not think about rear axle and its a 3.31 WITHOUT a locking dif. Thing is spinning on wet grass! I 'm about 500 ft from town road so I don't want to be in 4WD when we get 2" of snow/sleet. So I'm getting used to truck size and for sure like the Coyote?- may forget about Ranger So Ive started looking for a '23.5.0, electronic electronic dif and I'm finding all kinds of 23's with 3.31s and lockers and very few 3.73's...No 3.55's Any experienced views? The 5.0 has such much power it is easy to be "throwing stones" on start up with the 3.31's, and its great on I-495-1500 and you are close to 80MPH. but I'm thinking the lower gear 3.73 will still be great on local roads as the 10 speed will be upshifting sooner. Opinions.

Correct on grab handles. first year they were two full length vertical rods then someone had a good idea and they made storage compartments where the wheel wells were on a C series. PIE was one of the test fleets early on with a prototype..no clue how many they made...Here in the Northeast, Branch Motor Express was an early user. Talk about a helpless combo in snow country? A Page and Page with a dead axle and no lift capability! We had a bunch of B-61 single axles and when weight laws changed someone came up with idea to convert to a Pager and Page set up with heavy drive belts between the duals. They were out of service before my time. As for the H being built on an N chassis I never heard that. The H came out in 61 and N models I believe in 63.