Trimdingman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 We are not talking about the same thing. What do you want? We have two platforms, so far. We will be building 4 different models. They could build more models if they wanted to. What are they going to do with the abandoned areas? Third platform down the road? What do you believe that we should have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 What do you want? We have two platforms, so far. We will be building 4 different models. They could build more models if they wanted to. What are they going to do with the abandoned areas? Third platform down the road? What do you believe that we should have? True state of the art flexible technology or how about a supplier park or a third shift or how about like our union has been saying since we voted out our clearly defined collective agreement, getting some of that fight back with some of the good jobs, instead all we can see in the future is concessions. Maybe that is all our union has left to do now to just slow down as much as possible the decline and then inevitable state of palliative care. But maybe I should be happy I have a job and just shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) True state of the art flexible technology or how about a supplier park or a third shift or how about like our union has been saying since we voted out our clearly defined collective agreement, getting some of that fight back with some of the good jobs, instead all we can see in the future is concessions. Maybe that is all our union has left to do now to just slow down as much as possible the decline and then inevitable state of palliative care. But maybe I should be happy I have a job and just shut up. Have you noticed all of the new industrial buildings that have been going up in the vicinity? An industrial park is made up of parts manufacturers. Ford does not own them. It is up to them to lease these places and get contracts from Ford. Ford wants all parts to be within 30 minutes of the plant. Companies who use these new facilities will stand a good chance of getting contracts. The third shift is coming later this year. We will see what we have to give up when contract time comes. The union has lost its power. It is now the company's messenger boy. You don't have to shut up. You also don't have to be so miserable. Things could be a lot worse. Edited January 9, 2008 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Have you noticed all of the new industrial buildings that have been going up in the vicinity? An industrial park is made up of parts manufacturers. Ford does not own them. It is up to them to lease these places and get contracts from Ford. Ford wants all parts to be within 30 minutes of the plant. Companies who use these new facilities will stand a good chance of getting contracts. The third shift is coming later this year. We will see what we have to give up when contract time comes. The union has lost its power. It is now the company's messenger boy. You don't have to shut up. You also don't have to be so miserable. Things could be a lot worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Thank You DHL guy comin back Jan. 21 WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Union reps say privately say goodbye to SPA weeks http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/st...ry/robNews/home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPony Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Union reps say privately say goodbye to SPA weeks http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/st...ry/robNews/home I only started in '02 so, I have a question. Weren't SPA weeks implimented to replace sick days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) I only started in '02 so, I have a question. Weren't SPA weeks implimented to replace sick days? We have never had sick days, per se. We get accident and sickness benefits if we are really sick, and can prove it. I believe that they kick in when you are off long enough that your pay would be lower than the benefits. SPA weeks are vacation weeks. They are allocated by the company in order to give low seniority workers an equal chance at getting their vacation during desirable weeks, such as June. Anything that you see in the media between now and September concerning the company or the union is meaningless. If you pay attention to any of it, then when it comes time to vote on the contract, you will have been influenced. What you know or believe right now is almost the same as it will be in September. Go on that. Edited January 10, 2008 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperPilot Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 To answer your question, no. At one time we had "x" amount of vacation days and "y" amount that could be used as excused absence. During contract negotiations the Union was pushing for more vacation time, but the problem the company had with the idea is that it's difficult to schedule coverage for more random days off. So the compromise was to give more vacation, but allow the company to schedule it and it had to be in a week block. The Union wins because when they force people off in 1 week blocks, it creates jobs (read: union dues) to cover everyone's SPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outhere_i_m Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 At first glance I would strike to keep my SPA weeks, however my ears are open as more information comes forward. It looks like these will be the biggest negotiations since working at ford / CAW Local 707 in 1996 Hold on!! The media has some Working Members believing the doom and gloom of the world auto industry. Media and Government have been sending their messages to us in the past years. With current policies many of the DOOM and GLOOM Stories will happen, but with PUBLIC OUTCRY we Can Change These Policies. The Free Trade Agreements WE BELONG to have never been intended to bring Our Canadian Standard of Working and Living Conditions up. BUSINESS TRADE AGREEMENTS are designed to be a downgrading of OPERATING COSTS in order to bring Poor Nations up. Unions in Canada and Worldwide have a long history of Campaigns and Awareness to help raise the Standard of Living up For PEOPLE WORLIDWIDE. We continue to argue for Higher Standards. If Automotive Manufacturers have their incomes reduced this trend will move to other work industries. It is apparent that the “Managers” in the world are receiving bonuses for cutting “worker costs” Just a thought…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) At first glance I would strike to keep my SPA weeks, however my ears are open as more information comes forward. It looks like these will be the biggest negotiations since working at ford / CAW Local 707 in 1996 Hold on!! The media has some Working Members believing the doom and gloom of the world auto industry. Media and Government have been sending their messages to us in the past years. With current policies many of the DOOM and GLOOM Stories will happen, but with PUBLIC OUTCRY we Can Change These Policies. The Free Trade Agreements WE BELONG to have never been intended to bring Our Canadian Standard of Working and Living Conditions up. BUSINESS TRADE AGREEMENTS are designed to be a downgrading of OPERATING COSTS in order to bring Poor Nations up. Unions in Canada and Worldwide have a long history of Campaigns and Awareness to help raise the Standard of Living up For PEOPLE WORLIDWIDE. We continue to argue for Higher Standards. If Automotive Manufacturers have their incomes reduced this trend will move to other work industries. It is apparent that the “Managers” in the world are receiving bonuses for cutting “worker costs” Just a thought…. If we were to average everything out so that everybody in the world got the same, we would have a lot less than we have now. Socialism doesn't work, never has, never will. All they are trying to do is substitute one tyrant for another. The socialist tyrant will have you disarmed without any individual rights or freedoms. With the capitalist tyrant, at least you have a fighting chance. What we need to do to help other countries is to free them from socialist tyrrany. All countries that repress their people are socialist, from Germany under Hitler to Iraq under Saddam Hussein. That is what you get when you stifle private enterprise in favor of state control. The reason that free enterprise countries have more wealth is because they create more. It is not because they take from others. If you are dissatisfied with your standard of living, you are free to take measures to change it in a free society. In a socialist "paradise", you have to take what you get and shut up. I don't know if that is relevant to what was quoted. Take it for what it is worth. As for the contract negotiations between Ford and the CAW, don't believe the rhetoric. It is almost impossible to separate the lies from the truth. You have to go with your own brain. That is why we have the secret ballot, one person, one vote. Edited January 10, 2008 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPony Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 So, how are things back at the plant? Have the Flexs started to come down the line yet? Or are the going to wait till all the people are back from lay off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charly Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 So, how are things back at the plant? Have the Flexs started to come down the line yet? Or are the going to wait till all the people are back from lay off? We will start building PP units by month end, about 150 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulik Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 So, how are things back at the plant? Have the Flexs started to come down the line yet? Or are the going to wait till all the people are back from lay off? starting monday the 21st they are going through body and paint and then through trim and chassis starting on the 28th about 2 or 3 a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETER25 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 starting monday the 21st they are going through body and paint and then through trim and chassis starting on the 28th about 2 or 3 a day. hey what about the rumour of third shift strating after shutdown in trim and chassis?, anyone heard anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPony Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 hey what about the rumour of third shift strating after shutdown in trim and chassis?, anyone heard anything If they start a third shift, will it be on the weekend or will we be running 24/7 during the week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 (edited) If they start a third shift, will it be on the weekend or will we be running 24/7 during the week? I have heard rumors of three crews. If sales keep up the way they are and they add the Flex, I can see it. We already voted to accept that configuration. Day shift works 4 tens. Afternoons works 5 tens. C-crew works 3-10.7s; Friday days, and Saturday and Sunday afternoons. Edited January 19, 2008 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oac bodyboy Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 I have heard rumors of three crews. If sales keep up the way they are and they add the Flex, I can see it. We already voted to accept that configuration. Day shift works 4 tens. Afternoons works 5 tens. C-crew works 3-10.7s; Friday days, and Saturday and Sunday afternoons. our plant chairman told me and a few others that we are crawling right now and you have to walk before you run, meaning we have to go 3 shifts before we can implement 3 crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF???? Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 (edited) our plant chairman told me and a few others that we are crawling right now and you have to walk before you run, meaning we have to go 3 shifts before we can implement 3 crew. What he said. I can't recall the exact number but we need a volume requirement of well over 330,000 (if I recall) before going to the 2nd stage flex agreement. I highly doubt we'll hit that number building the Edge/MKX & Flex. Let's worry about getting to the 3 shift stage first and when that happens, it will be the 3 shift operation as is already running in body, paint and BAMR ( 3 shifts @ 5 days x 7.5hrs (8hrs pay), no relief, 12 & 10 min break, 20 min paid lunch, 42 mandatory Saturdays if required ) They can also require .5 overtime as long as they inform you before lunch. Edited January 19, 2008 by WTF???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 (edited) What he said. I can't recall the exact number but we need a volume requirement of well over 330,000 (if I recall) before going to the 2nd stage flex agreement. I highly doubt we'll hit that number building the Edge/MKX & Flex. Let's worry about getting to the 3 shift stage first and when that happens, it will be the 3 shift operation as is already running in body, paint and BAMR ( 3 shifts @ 5 days x 7.5hrs (8hrs pay), no relief, 12 & 10 min break, 20 min paid lunch, 42 mandatory Saturdays if required ) They can also require .5 overtime as long as they inform you before lunch. If they are going to increace production above two 48 hour shifts, then as far as the numbers go, it doesn't make that much difference whether they go to 3 shifts or 3 crews. With 3 crews, there are a few hours of down time each day for maintenance. Edited January 19, 2008 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETER25 Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 If they are going to increace production above two 48 hour shifts, then as far as the numbers go, it doesn't make that much difference whether they go to 3 shifts or 3 crews. With 3 crews, there are a few hours of down time each day for maintenance. anyone know what is the current starting rate for new employee (assembler). I assume if I get back will be like new hire, when they do three shift thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF???? Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 If they are going to increace production above two 48 hour shifts, then as far as the numbers go, it doesn't make that much difference whether they go to 3 shifts or 3 crews. Do the math...over the course of a year it makes a substantial difference in the final production numbers possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPony Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 anyone know what is the current starting rate for new employee (assembler). I assume if I get back will be like new hire, when they do three shift thing. 85% of the full rate. Now I haven't been in the plant for some time now so I couldn't give you the rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPony Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Call me stupid, but what is the difference between three shifts and three crews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 (edited) Do the math...over the course of a year it makes a substantial difference in the final production numbers possible. Ok. Three shifts plus one shift on Saturday equals 120 hours minus breaks. Three crews equals 122.1 hours minus breaks. 3x7.5x5+8=120 That's 3 shifts times 7.5 hours times 5 days plus 7.5 hours on Saturday. (4x10)+(5x10)+(10.7x3)=122.1 That's 4-10s on days, 5-10s on afternoons, and 3-10.7s Friday days, and Saturday and Sunday afternoons. They can go to tag relief, 8 hours, or add more Saturdays on the three shift schedule or add tag relief or a voluntary weekend shift on three crews. There is flexibility to build the same numbers either way. I did the math long ago. On three crews, the lines are down for a few hours in the early morning which would be good for doing preventative maintenance instead of having breakdowns during production. Also, this would be an opportune time to make up production if, say, body got behind. Edited January 20, 2008 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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