retro-man Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 That Mondeo wagon looks nice. I like wagons..... owned one last time (my '98 Escort). I like "Gus" comments: Gus January 15, 2008 | 8:03 pm What more could you want? How about having it in the country that owns Ford? Wierd. Gus January 15, 2008 | 8:04 pm I have an idea, let’s make sure the Audi R8 isn’t available in Germany, the GT-R unavailable in Japan. Goofy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Cortina never left the No1 spot in UK for its entire life somewhere the Mondeo never is at, and you ommited to mention the Mondeo never made the top 10 in the UK or Europe in those top 10 best selling charts.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.j...0/emfcort21.xml http://beagle.u-bordeaux4.fr/ifrede/Ford/P...20vol%202_1.pdf Some people have criticized you for bringing up the old Cortina repeatedly, but I love those old Cortinas. Quite a few of them made their way to these shores back in the 60s and 70s. My stepfather owned one before he was my stepfather, and a high school friend had one as well. If there is a place here on BON, perhaps you could start a thread devoted to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 There must be a certain prescription of glasses / alcoholic drinks that make that car look beautiful. I gave a bottle of wine to my old boss, who is in his early 60s. He told me his wife made a nice shrimp dish and they enjoyed the wine with it: "I told her I was going to keep drinking until she looked 23. .... I ran out of wine before that happened." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 "I told her I was going to keep drinking until she looked 23. .... I ran out of wine before that happened." That may have been a fortunate thing. Very smooth line BTW.:shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) So what the Ford Explorer doesn't sell 400k units a year. Things changed. You realize FOE just came off off a recovery. While FNA is in the middle of one. I really don't know how digging up past glory helps. Does talking about how great the Spanish Empire was years ago help Spain now? No, neither does ceaselessly talking about the Cortina. Gotta say l didnot start this thread and whats a Ford Explorer got to do with the Cortina-Sierra-Mondeo timeline of Ford cars? Ford of Europe is about to hit the same sort of headwind that has hit the States and we are getting told the economic slump could last as long as 2-4 years in the UK by our Chancellor Alister Darling our economy is now in the biggest slump for 60 years. Sorry but l have seen the UK market go from British cars being No1 in the UK with Ford at No2 when the UK roads were flooded out with mainly British cars to the late 60's when Ford unleashed some awesome very exciting cars the Capri - Cortina - Escort RWD cars which wiped British Leyland off the car making map the thing about these cars at the time is they felt so oh special to own, at the time British Leyland decided that what us buyers wanted was very dull bland dull cold cars that handled well like the Austin 1100 with its hydrolastic suspension gotta say it made me feel sea sick to ride in in one. Cant help but notice that most of the boring bland dull cold British Leyland cars that helped British Leyland to go bust made it into the top 25 most ugly award winning cars, gotta say l don't know how the Triumph Stag escaped the charts. http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/art...1657839,00.html No 4 - Austin Allegro No 13 - Morris Ital No14 - Triumph TR7 No 21 - Austin Maxi No 25 - Morris Marina Did Ford sell many of the 80's Mustang that made it to No 59 in the charts? Buy the 80's Ford owned the British car market British Leyland were all washed up and nearly gone and from then onwards future Fords would have an easy ride with British Leyland giving up the 60% market share it had up until the late 60's. So what do Ford go do decide they want to make a dull as ditchwater cars like Sierra & Granada Scorpio from then onwards Fords market share has slipped by 50% in the UK 1981 to 2002 despite no longer having British Leyland in the game. Gotta say the new Fiesta is a will be a massive sales winner for Ford, new Mondeo is a massive improvement on the dreadful Sierra and the Mondeo that came before it, but sorry it does not feel special enough for me to want to go out and buy one and waste hard earned money on one, Fords best Era was those RWD drive cars that killed off BL the RWD Capri - Cortina - Escort they felt like you were getting something very special from Ford, sorry but the Mondeo does not. Folk can still like Classical music, Beatles, Stones, Motown/STAX, Beach Boys, Elvis, Led Zep, Bob Marley, Country & Western, Folk music Rock n Roll, Hip Hop and Britney Speers or whatever so stop telling me like some little Hitler what cars l can and cannot like please. Edited August 31, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) FJM, You might be able to lay your hands on the European car sales tables for us. I do recall seeing monthly sales figures a while back that were indicating Focus 33K/mth, Fiesta about 25K/mth and mondeo about 15K/mth. If that's so, then Mondeo probably sells about 180-200k/year, does that sound about right to you? Edited August 31, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStag Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Want to know what got Ford into this dwindelling sales mess with the large car? Look no further than the Ford Scorpio. It was the UK version of the Ford Edsel. A proper piece of crap. The Ford Sierra was also a sales disaster at launch although it's looks grew on people. Personally I think it was ahead of it's time. Around this time the Japanese were doing well at the lower end of the market and the Germans were stealing sales at the top end. A lot of people never went back to Ford or liked the Beemers so much that they kept paying "a bit more". Jellymoulds so BL cars were / ugly. OK so how do you explain all the following cars that came out under BL: - Rover SD1 (European car of the year 1977, styled after the Ferrari Daytona) - Austin Princess - yes unreliable but stunningly futuristic for it's time, anything but bland - Range Rover (the car that made Land Rover) - Triumph Stag - despite what you say most people (including motoring God Clarkson) acknowledge it as one of the most brilliant Giovanni Michelloti designs ever (the man who set BMW's styling direction). Would give you the TR7 though.... - Mini Metro - the small car that saved the British car industry at the time and gave the Fiesta a run for it's money. - Jaguar XJ - actually launched under BL - was consideded to be a styling master piece and was sales leader (or there abouts) in the market sector until Ford bought the company..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Jellymoulds so BL cars were / ugly. OK so how do you explain all the following cars that came out under BL: - Rover SD1 (European car of the year 1977, styled after the Ferrari Daytona) - Austin Princess - yes unreliable but stunningly futuristic for it's time, anything but bland - Range Rover (the car that made Land Rover) - Triumph Stag - despite what you say most people (including motoring God Clarkson) acknowledge it as one of the most brilliant Giovanni Michelloti designs ever (the man who set BMW's styling direction). Would give you the TR7 though.... - Mini Metro - the small car that saved the British car industry at the time and gave the Fiesta a run for it's money. - Jaguar XJ - actually launched under BL - was consideded to be a styling master piece and was sales leader (or there abouts) in the market sector until Ford bought the company..... Flukes happen. As well, the lens of time has been less than generous to all but the XJ and the Range Rover. Car styling changed shortly after the Rover SD1 appeared, and within 3-4 years, the car started to look 'not-current'. The Princess? Cute, but irrelevant for production numbers. The Stag was a nice effort, but again, industry design went in another direction, and within a short time, it looked 'funny'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) Want to know what got Ford into this dwindelling sales mess with the large car? Look no further than the Ford Scorpio. It was the UK version of the Ford Edsel. A proper piece of crap. The Ford Sierra was also a sales disaster at launch although it's looks grew on people. Personally I think it was ahead of it's time. Around this time the Japanese were doing well at the lower end of the market and the Germans were stealing sales at the top end. A lot of people never went back to Ford or liked the Beemers so much that they kept paying "a bit more". Jellymoulds so BL cars were / ugly. OK so how do you explain all the following cars that came out under BL: - Rover SD1 (European car of the year 1977, styled after the Ferrari Daytona) - Austin Princess - yes unreliable but stunningly futuristic for it's time, anything but bland - Range Rover (the car that made Land Rover) - Triumph Stag - despite what you say most people (including motoring God Clarkson) acknowledge it as one of the most brilliant Giovanni Michelloti designs ever (the man who set BMW's styling direction). Would give you the TR7 though.... - Mini Metro - the small car that saved the British car industry at the time and gave the Fiesta a run for it's money. - Jaguar XJ - actually launched under BL - was consideded to be a styling master piece and was sales leader (or there abouts) in the market sector until Ford bought the company..... This is not a list of turkeys that was made up by me, it was the Daily Telegraph top 100 turkeys it was posted by Ed in post 16 not my choice, but l agree not one of the boring dull bland cold British Leyland crap cars appealed to me on any grounds whatso ever. It not hard to see why British Leyland went bust all the new dull boring bland BL cars came out in the 70's made the DailyTelegraph top 100 list, the Classic RWD Capri -Cortina - Escort didnot Triumph Stag report............ You could put all the names of all the British Leyland cars of the late '60s in a hat and you'd be guaranteed to pull out a despicable, rotten-to-the-core mockery of a car. So consider the Triumph Stag merely representative. Like its classmates, it had great style (penned by Giovanni Michelotti) ruined by some half-hearted, half-witted, utterly temporized engineering: To give the body structure greater stiffness, a T-bar connected the roll hoop to the windscreen, and the windows were framed in eye-catching chrome. The effect was to put the driver in a shiny aquarium. The Stag was lively and fun to drive, as long as it ran. The 3.0-liter Triumph V8 was a monumental failure, an engine that utterly refused to confine its combustion to the internal side. The timing chains broke, the aluminum heads warped like mad, the main bearings would seize and the water pump would poop the bed — ka-POW! Oh, that piston through the bonnet, that is a spot of bother. We'll not hear the last of Triumph on this list. http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/art...1657839,00.html Daily Telegraph Top Ugly 100 (boring bland dull & cold cars) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.j....xml&page=2 No 04 - Austin Allegro No 09 - Austin Princess No 13 - Morris Ital No 14 - Triumph TR7 No 21 - Austin Maxi No 24 - Range Rover No 25 - Morris Marina No 43 - Jaguar XJ (Flukes don't happen Ed it made it as well) No 74 - Mini Metro Gotta admit l fitted some Princess 4 pot brake calipers on my Capri in the 70's Fords were crap. Even right up until the end even MGF Britains LAST sports cars cylinder heads still warped right up till the last day. Edited August 31, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStag Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 This is not a list of turkeys that was made up by me, it was the Daily Telegraph top 100 turkeys it was posted by Ed in post 16 not my choice, but l agree not one of the boring dull bland cold British Leyland crap cars appealed to me on any grounds whatso ever. It not hard to see why British Leyland went bust all the new dull boring bland BL cars came out in the 70's made the DailyTelegraph top 100 list, the Classic RWD Capri -Cortina - Escort didnot Triumph Stag report............ You could put all the names of all the British Leyland cars of the late '60s in a hat and you'd be guaranteed to pull out a despicable, rotten-to-the-core mockery of a car. So consider the Triumph Stag merely representative. Like its classmates, it had great style (penned by Giovanni Michelotti) ruined by some half-hearted, half-witted, utterly temporized engineering: To give the body structure greater stiffness, a T-bar connected the roll hoop to the windscreen, and the windows were framed in eye-catching chrome. The effect was to put the driver in a shiny aquarium. The Stag was lively and fun to drive, as long as it ran. The 3.0-liter Triumph V8 was a monumental failure, an engine that utterly refused to confine its combustion to the internal side. The timing chains broke, the aluminum heads warped like mad, the main bearings would seize and the water pump would poop the bed — ka-POW! Oh, that piston through the bonnet, that is a spot of bother. We'll not hear the last of Triumph on this list. http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/art...1657839,00.html Daily Telegraph Top Ugly 100 (boring bland dull & cold cars) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.j....xml&page=2 No 04 - Austin Allegro No 09 - Austin Princess No 13 - Morris Ital No 14 - Triumph TR7 No 21 - Austin Maxi No 24 - Range Rover No 25 - Morris Marina No 43 - Jaguar XJ (Flukes don't happen Ed it made it as well) No 74 - Mini Metro Gotta admit l fitted some Princess 4 pot brake calipers on my Capri in the 70's Fords were crap. Even right up until the end even MGF Britains LAST sports cars cylinder heads still warped right up till the last day. There are a lot of Fords on that list too. BL went bust because it's cars were badly made. They sold in big numbers for a long time considering how rubbishly engineered the cars were. Some cars on that list certainly weren't considered ugly at the time. The Austin Maxi for example was a massive sales success. As was the Metro. To be honest it's a fairly meaningless list. Would I call the Princess dull? No certainly not. Ugly? Not really. Just a crap car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 There are a lot of Fords on that list too. BL went bust because it's cars were badly made. They sold in big numbers for a long time considering how rubbishly engineered the cars were. Some cars on that list certainly weren't considered ugly at the time. The Austin Maxi for example was a massive sales success. As was the Metro. To be honest it's a fairly meaningless list. Would I call the Princess dull? No certainly not. Ugly? Not really. Just a crap car. Got to agree most of those Fords on the list were early 60's cars when Fords used to be as dull as ditchwater it not hard to see how British cars ruled the roost, but Ford decided to ditch dull for good when they released the Mk1 Cortina Mk1 Escort and Mk1 Capri in the mid to late 60's these cars had almost blasted British Leyland off the car making map by the end of the 70's yes the Metro was a big success, but cars like the Austin Maxi were crap l did get to drive my Father-in-laws the transmisions were dreadful it was a bit of a hit and miss affair if you found a gear, Fords at the time were silky smooth as good as anything today. Fords KA finished high up the list, gotta say Fiats 500 and the Mini have killed its sales stone dead just 2800 KA's were sold last month the new KA wont do any better it will be stillborn when it gets launched sales wont improve much at all l can't understand why Ford are even bothering to launch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC-MAN Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Did Ford sell many of the 80's Mustang that made it to No 59 in the charts? Okay, so the 79+ Mustang had the headlights of of every dull Ford sedan in the stable, but it had one huge advantage, it wasn't a Mustang II! The Fox and Panther cars might as well had been spaceships when they came out, they were that futuristic. In 1979, nobody had a 5.0 from the late eighties to compare the car to. All they had to go by was the Mustang II (built from a Pinto!). It was 2 more years before GM countered and shed their 70's bodystyles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) Okay, so the 79+ Mustang had the headlights of of every dull Ford sedan in the stable. When you mentioned the headlights on the Mustang it made me think of the Capri and BMW's we had a the time both had double headlights that were blended in and looked great at the time. BMW have kept the same double headlight on their cars right up to the present time, if the same thing was done to todays Mondeo it would make it a lot more exciting and easier to sell. Just wondered if you think if the same thing was done to the Mondeo it would give it more sales appeal than that of a quality BMW just interested? 79+ 80's Coupe USA 78+ 80's Coupe Europe Mondeo double headlights? Edited August 31, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share Posted August 31, 2008 Okay, so the 79+ Mustang had the headlights of of every dull Ford sedan in the stable, but it had one huge advantage, it wasn't a Mustang II! The Fox and Panther cars might as well had been spaceships when they came out, they were that futuristic. In 1979, nobody had a 5.0 from the late eighties to compare the car to. All they had to go by was the Mustang II (built from a Pinto!). It was 2 more years before GM countered and shed their 70's bodystyles. To put a spin on it, Ford said the Mustang II was a heavily reworked chassis based off the Pinto, no common parts. As for the 1979 FOX bodied Mustangs (built from the Fairmont unibody) yes, they sold quite well. Continued on through 1993 in fact. Didn't sell as well as the orginal Mustang of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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