bigjohn500 Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 (edited) 2010 Escape Hybrid Powertrain upgrades? Will there be any? I think between 2008 and 2009 the mph that you could drive on batteries was raised. Will anything such as this happen between 2009 and 2010. Also if we can't use all of the Hybrid tax credit on our 2009 taxes, can it be carried over to 2010 taxes? Thanks Much!! Edited July 10, 2009 by bigjohn500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Every year of the Hybrid there has been some kind of upgrade, but it looks like for 2010 the major upgrades will be a new dash and a return of disc brakes all around. In another year or so, Ford should have the plug-in version ready, which will be a major powertrain upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyk24 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Every year of the Hybrid there has been some kind of upgrade, but it looks like for 2010 the major upgrades will be a new dash and a return of disc brakes all around. In another year or so, Ford should have the plug-in version ready, which will be a major powertrain upgrade. This link: http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index...ost&id=9260 is the order guide for the 2010 Escape and Escape Hybrid. Sorry to say but these vehicle retain the front disc and rear drum brakes. I do not see any power train upgrades. The Plug-In version is scheduled for model year 2012 which could mean a release in 2011 or 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfalkSVO Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/07/22/20...y-and-software/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyk24 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 The hybrid changes are NOT reflected on the 2010 Escape Hybrid order guide posted on this site. The article (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/07/22/20...y-and-software/ ) is not accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryG Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 The hybrid changes are NOT reflected on the 2010 Escape Hybrid order guide posted on this site. The article (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/07/22/20...y-and-software/ ) is not accurate. Big improvements IMO 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid/Mercury Mariner Hybrid To Use More Efficient Battery July 22, 2009 The 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid and its sister vehicle, the Mercury Mariner Hybrid, will be using a smaller, lighter nickel-metal hydride battery with 20-percent more power sourced from the development of the Ford Fusion Hybrid/Mercury Milan Hybrid. Improved battery chemistry will allow the battery to operate at a higher temperature while staying cooled by cabin air. Other benefits from continual hybrid vehicle development include a variable voltage converter, smarter climate control, electric air conditioning compressor, an enhanced electronic throttle control, and a more efficient regenerative brake system. Fuel economy remains unchanged for the Escape and Mariner pair at 34 city/31 highway. Source: Ford http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/20...tery/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wptski Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Big improvements IMO 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid/Mercury Mariner Hybrid To Use More Efficient Battery July 22, 2009 The 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid and its sister vehicle, the Mercury Mariner Hybrid, will be using a smaller, lighter nickel-metal hydride battery with 20-percent more power sourced from the development of the Ford Fusion Hybrid/Mercury Milan Hybrid. Improved battery chemistry will allow the battery to operate at a higher temperature while staying cooled by cabin air. Other benefits from continual hybrid vehicle development include a variable voltage converter, smarter climate control, electric air conditioning compressor, an enhanced electronic throttle control, and a more efficient regenerative brake system. Fuel economy remains unchanged for the Escape and Mariner pair at 34 city/31 highway. Source: Ford http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/20...tery/index.html A warmer battery delivers more power. Just exactly what I said in "you know what" forum as was I told that I was wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryG Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 A warmer battery delivers more power. Just exactly what I said in "you know what" forum as was I told that I was wrong! Hi Bill I saw that thread on GH but I don't post there anymore. You're pretty smart IMO but look in the workshop manual under HV battery as to the ideal battery temperature. I will confirm what the manual states as to the best operating temperature and to hot or to cold can reduce MPG. Driving the FEH for the maximum MPG becomes a challenge with both the engine performance and the battery performance with charging and discharging temperatures. Unfortunately, I have no competition at this point to trade ideas about what we feel works the best. Those yahoos on GH have no clue and recommend high ethanol % and extreme towing that will violate warranties that I have no use for. Tomorrow, I will continue to get great mileage with my heat and conditions and you can bet I watch battery temperature and MPG. The '09 does not get the extreme fast charge as the '05 FEH and does not get near as hot. How cool, 53mpg in 92F weather! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wptski Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hi Bill I saw that thread on GH but I don't post there anymore. You're pretty smart IMO but look in the workshop manual under HV battery as to the ideal battery temperature. I will confirm what the manual states as to the best operating temperature and to hot or to cold can reduce MPG. Driving the FEH for the maximum MPG becomes a challenge with both the engine performance and the battery performance with charging and discharging temperatures. Unfortunately, I have no competition at this point to trade ideas about what we feel works the best. Those yahoos on GH have no clue and recommend high ethanol % and extreme towing that will violate warranties that I have no use for. Tomorrow, I will continue to get great mileage with my heat and conditions and you can bet I watch battery temperature and MPG. The '09 does not get the extreme fast charge as the '05 FEH and does not get near as hot. How cool, 53mpg in 92F weather! Gary: That's some bunch over there. I hesitate to post anything there anymore. Full lurk-mode is in order. Just a good place to get a good laugh. I once had a Dodge pickup towing a boat trailer driven by an idiot cause a accident 50 yards ahead of me on a x-way! The guy tried to shoot ahead of a slow moving van but forgot about the trailer and clipped the van. The trailer swung around, turning the truck 180 deg, coming to a stop facing the van against the median. Why they didn't loose the trailer or roll, I don't know. It must have been the most perfectl setup of a truck and trailer ever!! I was still shaking when I got home fifteen minutes later and thought that I was going to upchuck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyk24 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 "Those yahoos on GH have no clue" Bragging rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wptski Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 "Those yahoos on GH have no clue" Bragging rights? I remember a GH post about the function of the 12V battery in a FEH and your reply was totally wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyk24 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) Post it here for your bragging rights. Edited August 17, 2009 by billyk24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wptski Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Post it here for your bragging rights. Your post #3 at GH link where you didn't understand the operation of the 12V battery in your FEH but somebody else did in the post following yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyk24 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wptski Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 :shades: Is this supposed to be your answer or just a meaningless picture? Can't tell as you don't use "quotes"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryG Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 :shades: MyPart (Chris) was right with his post after yours Billy. The key has to be On to drain down the HV battery to 29%. Even the 12V system will stop discharging after 10 minutes unless the key is cycled On and Off. The 12V system does provide limited continuous power for things like the clock, alarm and KAM in the Key Off position. If you kept turning the Key ON and Off to check power, the HV battery could be drained that low by the D/C to D/C converter recharging the 12V battery after the dome lights go On for ten minutes at a time and the electric brake compressor activates. If you didn't cycle the Key you may have had a relay problem not shutting down the PCM correctly. Did you disconnect a 12V battery ground? That would also not let the relay properly shutdown the PCM and power could drain through the PCM to the other 12V systems via the D/C to D/C converter and HV battery. Bingo! Houston, I think we solved the problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wptski Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 :shades: Since Gary is a FEH owner, he caught the 29% SOC in the picture. Your :shades: doesn't explain anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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