Furious1Auto Posted November 8, 2009 Author Share Posted November 8, 2009 CNN's Larry King Interviews Rep Ron Paul About Health Reform Paul has a bias on this issue, his son is a physician! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail Do you get health care while in jail. This maybe a loop hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marginal Economist Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 What happened to transparancy? Why was the bill they voted on made public only yesterday? I think most would agree this is an important piece of legislation and we should be able to see it. HR 3962 It is only 1990 pages. How many Congressman or their staffs had time to read this before they voted? I'd like to see Ford and the UAW present a 2000 page contract for the members to vote on and see the reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 What happened to transparancy? Why was the bill they voted on made public only yesterday? I think most would agree this is an important piece of legislation and we should be able to see it. HR 3962 It is only 1990 pages. How many Congressman or their staffs had time to read this before they voted? I'd like to see Ford and the UAW present a 2000 page contract for the members to vote on and see the reaction. The Ford/UAW contract including benefits and pensions is MUCH longer than 2000 pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marginal Economist Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 The Ford/UAW contract including benefits and pensions is MUCH longer than 2000 pages. Yikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 What happened to transparancy? Why was the bill they voted on made public only yesterday? I think most would agree this is an important piece of legislation and we should be able to see it. HR 3962 It is only 1990 pages. How many Congressman or their staffs had time to read this before they voted? I'd like to see Ford and the UAW present a 2000 page contract for the members to vote on and see the reaction. Pelosi (D) breaks a promise about transparency again (on Healthcare Bill) “On September 24, Speaker Nancy Pelosi told THE WEEKLY STANDARD that she was “absolutely” committed to putting the text of the final House bill online for 72 hours before the House votes: TWS: Madam Speaker, do you support the measure to put the final House bill online for 72 hours before it’s voted on at the very end? PELOSI: Absolutely. Without question.” SNEAKER OF THE HOUSE: PASSED ON A SATURDAY NIGHT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Paul has a bias on this issue, his son is a physician! Listen to what he says and refute that, don't come with lame excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marginal Economist Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 The Ford/UAW contract including benefits and pensions is MUCH longer than 2000 pages. It appears the 2007 contract for GM/UAW was 82 pages. GM White Book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marginal Economist Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Paul has a bias on this issue, his son is a physician! Tampa beats the Packers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marginal Economist Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Pelosi (D) breaks a promise about transparency again (on Healthcare Bill) SNEAKER OF THE HOUSE: PASSED ON A SATURDAY NIGHT Exactly. I'm not a big fan of either party, but these are BS tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 (edited) It appears the 2007 contract for GM/UAW was 82 pages. GM White Book Wrong ask your rep. or Labor relations at your location. The contract comes in several volumes, with separate books for Pensions, Benefits, Trades and now I imagine a VEBA book. Your local agreement is probably 89 pages. (if you really work at Ford) Edited November 9, 2009 by Aces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Reform is coming, so much for the insurance lobby's money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Reform is coming, so much for the insurance lobby's money! Don't be so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longball Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I am 100% behind health care for all citizens....HOW will this pending reform bring down the cost of health care? My wife had an outpatient procedure done...the cost was 15000 for the doctor and another 15000 for the hospital....I don't care what legislation against insurance companies is passed....how will this make the doctor work for a "reasonable" say....$1000 per hour instead of $5000 per hour. Believe me this doctor is a specialist and isn't working on people that aren't paying him...he can't use that excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordxer Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I am 100% behind health care for all citizens....HOW will this pending reform bring down the cost of health care? My wife had an outpatient procedure done...the cost was 15000 for the doctor and another 15000 for the hospital....I don't care what legislation against insurance companies is passed....how will this make the doctor work for a "reasonable" say....$1000 per hour instead of $5000 per hour. Believe me this doctor is a specialist and isn't working on people that aren't paying him...he can't use that excuse. Once we are paying 50 - 60% of our wages to taxes to fund this cluster, they will probably implement a Doctor czar (tsar?) to tell the doctors how much money they can earn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I am 100% behind health care for all citizens....HOW will this pending reform bring down the cost of health care? My wife had an outpatient procedure done...the cost was 15000 for the doctor and another 15000 for the hospital....I don't care what legislation against insurance companies is passed....how will this make the doctor work for a "reasonable" say....$1000 per hour instead of $5000 per hour. Believe me this doctor is a specialist and isn't working on people that aren't paying him...he can't use that excuse. Here's a link why healthcare is so expensive. The AMA (Doctors's union)... http://voices.washingtonpost.com/health-ca...s_its_inte.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longball Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) I read your link and see nothing about what I was writing about...How will any of this bring down costs? Edited November 10, 2009 by longball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordxer Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Here's a link why healthcare is so expensive. The AMA (Doctors's union)... http://voices.washingtonpost.com/health-ca...s_its_inte.html Why is it that when health care is talked about noone brings up the fact that at least 50% of Insurance costs are because of the stinking trial lawyers (ambulance chasers)? IMHO, If we were to discuss TORT REFORM instead of HEALTHCARE REFORM, we would solve more problems. The only thing this nonsense is going to do is bring the US DOWN to the level of the 3rd world countries with the gov. running everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I read your link and see nothing about what I was writing about...How will any of this bring down costs? I think the statement above the link said "why healthcare is so expensive" a reference to why the doctor's are charging what they charge. You did write about what the doctor charged? Maybe the doctor will need NOT donate as much to lobbying efforts with healthcare reform, so they can then pass the savings on to his / her clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Why is it that when health care is talked about noone brings up the fact that at least 50% of Insurance costs are because of the stinking trial lawyers (ambulance chasers)? IMHO, If we were to discuss TORT REFORM instead of HEALTHCARE REFORM, we would solve more problems. The only thing this nonsense is going to do is bring the US DOWN to the level of the 3rd world countries with the gov. running everything. How can you quote Jefferson and be against lawyers? And you have documentation to support your claim "50% of Insurance costs are because of the stinking trial lawyers". How about "if the doctors weren't donating so much money to the AMA (doctors version of UAW) to defeat health care reform they could lower their fee's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longball Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I think the statement above the link said "why healthcare is so expensive" a reference to why the doctor's are charging what they charge. You did write about what the doctor charged? Maybe the doctor will need NOT donate as much to lobbying efforts with healthcare reform, so they can then pass the savings on to his / her clients. I think the doctor should be able to spend HIS money any way he wants...again how will this bill bring down the bill for $15000 for a three hour procedure? I have seen nothing that addresses the charges from hospital or doctor...Do you think adding 30 million NEW insurance users is going to bring down the bills we get from doctors and hospitals....I'm sure you have heard of supply and demand...we are being fleeced under the guise of this being the answer....I'm not buying it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordxer Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 How can you quote Jefferson and be against lawyers? And you have documentation to support your claim "50% of Insurance costs are because of the stinking trial lawyers". How about "if the doctors weren't donating so much money to the AMA (doctors version of UAW) to defeat health care reform they could lower their fee's. This is why I can quote him: I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the Government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. --Thomas Jefferson The "50%" I stated was a guess on my part. THE MESSIAH said he had the approval of the AMA. So how are they defeating it? In the state of Missouri, Medicare is underfunded by 20%. Who do you think pays for that? The doctors pass that 20% on to the patients that have private or company provided insurance. That is another reason to not have the gov. involved in anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 This is why I can quote him: I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the Government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. --Thomas Jefferson The "50%" I stated was a guess on my part. THE MESSIAH said he had the approval of the AMA. So how are they defeating it? In the state of Missouri, Medicare is underfunded by 20%. Who do you think pays for that? The doctors pass that 20% on to the patients that have private or company provided insurance. That is another reason to not have the gov. involved in anything. I'm not sure this is a debate on health care, but rather an indictment against governement involvement. That indictment has been occuring since the revolutionay period, and more than likely will continue to occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 THE MESSIAH said he had the approval of the AMA. So how are they defeating it? In the state of Missouri, Medicare is underfunded by 20%. Who do you think pays for that? So how are they defeating it? LOBBYIST...They have settled on something they can live with, completely happy no. Did the AMA get more than their fair share? Probably. Money can't buy love, but it can by a politician. Who do you think pays for that? You and I, and Medicaid is even worse, so if everyone is required to have medical coverage (45 Million with none but still requiring care) that 45 million are picking up a small piece of the price tag. So we have more people picking up their own cost of healthcare, we have doctors giving a little in the cost structure, pharmaceuticals giving a little cost structure, Insurance companies (rat bastards), Hospitals giving etc we have compromise legislation. Is everyone completely happy.... hell no, but we have to do something. So what's your plan? Leave things alone.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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