TheEagle Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I can speak to this personally. I have just been placed back into production from skilled trades. Pay reverts to production rate, NOT trade classification rate. Yes, I count my blessings that I have a job instead of ILO and the weeks ticking down, but it is a signifigant cut in pay and we are having multiple down weeks over the next few months. Not crying, I'm just saying. Under this new agreement skilled trades who have to return to production get to keep thier rate of pay. Just like Chrysler and GM! Also for doing the mechanical teams there will be parody amoung all trades rates within the mechanical teams they will all be brought up to highest rate in that team plant wide.. They kept all thier classifications the same....No 2 trades!!!!! :happy feet: :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
local400future Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) Just because there is a no strike clause does not mean we have to take what the company offers. Hell, we could work under the 07 contract until 2015. All a no strike clause means is that they'll keep extending the contract until if/when it goes to arbitration. Personally I think its for the better for both sides to avoid arbitraiton since it's a crap shoot that could go either way. Just my two cents, now I patiently await all the insults that typically follow my opinion. Edited October 9, 2009 by local400future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Got to ask yourself why the company wants a no strike guarantee for wages and benefits. Could it be that they already know their plan for the next contract? Could their plan be to come after our wages and benefits in a couple years at which time we will have no ability to strike? Ford motor has a long term plan. They are not short sighted. "Father bull and son bull are on top of a hill. Son says to father look at all the cows down there in the valley, let's run down and fuc* one. Father bull says let's walk down and fu*k em all". Ford is walking down the hill right now. Unless we say no we are FUC*ED! And can you possibly see the problems arise putting a tradesman on production as needed? Who determines when they are needed? I say no. Don't go on strike either just go back to the table. Nothing in this agreement puts trades into production! Just for the ones who are should not recieve a pay cut!! No production worker got a direct pay cut! Why should they and thier families be punished or any diffrent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtpworker1993 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 What is the point in having a union if you can't strike? VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Just because there is a no strike clause does not mean we have to take what the company offers. Hell, we could work under the 07 contract until 2015. All a no strike clause means is that they'll keep extending the contract until if/when it goes to arbitration. Personally I think its for the better for both sides to avoid arbitraiton since it's a crap shoot that could go either way. Just my two cents, now I patiently await all the insults that typically follow my opinion. No that is the most intelligent post I have read from you ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
local400future Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 No that is the most intelligent post I have read from you ever! Nice, an insult wrapped with a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriper Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 (edited) Channel 4 in Detroit is reporting a tentative deal has been reached between the UAW and Ford. Some of the highlights: No strike guarantee through 2015. New hires have to work 5 years to get full new hire pay. Skilled trades can be sent back to the assembly line when necessary. Ford "guarantees" new products and no U.S. plant closures. This was just aired on TV. Don't shoot the messenger. :stats: since there is going to different issues affecting each of us in unique ways,each of these items should be seperate items on the same ballot,if it is something that affects all,,then all vote on it ,if it affects only one group ,then that group votes on it...seperate items on same ballot,,,,this is not a new idea,,several unions have used it in the past ,you can pass something without passing all of it,,,dont get me wrong i think hell no!!! on any vote ,,but if the ron show screws us ,i think this Edited October 10, 2009 by chriper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 since there is going to different issues affecting each of us in unique ways,each of these items should be seperate items on the same ballot,if it is something that affects all,,then all vote on it ,if it affects only one group ,then that group votes on it...seperate items on same ballot,,,,this is not a new idea,,several unions have used it in the past ,you can pass something without passing all of it,,,dont get me wrong i think hell no!!! on any vote ,,but if the ron show screws us ,i think this Chirp, you don't think God brought back work from the table? You know he has something, I can't wait to hear what you guys won!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Nice, an insult wrapped with a compliment. I can mulitask! :reading: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 (edited) GM and Chrysler don't have that! They have NO STRIKE CLAUSE! not on anything from what I am reading! It is still a better deal than GM and Chrysler by a large margin!!! Page 2 of the April 2009 UAW-Chrysler Settlement Agreement Binding Arbitration - Upon expiration of the 2007 Agreement, the parties will enter into a new National Collective Bargaining Agreement which will continue in full force and effect until September 14, 2015. Unresolved issues remaining at the end of negotiations on the 2011 renewal of the 2007 Agreement shall be resolved through binding arbitration with wage and benefit improvements to be based upon Chrysler maintaining an all-in hourly labor cost comparable to its U.S. competitors, including transplant automotive manufactures. Entry Level Employment- All new production employees, through the September 14,2015 expiration of the National Collective Bargaining Agreement, will be hired as Entry Level employees and governed by the terms of the UAW-ChryslerEntry Level Wage and Benefits Agreement M-13. If this tentative agreement reads anything like that, then well its exactly what Gm and Chrysler got. I will emphasize this part Unresolved issues remaining at the end of negotiations on the 2011 renewal of the 2007 Agreement shall be resolved through binding arbitration with wage and benefit improvements to be based upon Chrysler maintaining an all-in hourly labor cost comparable to its U.S. competitors, including transplant automotive manufactures. Edited October 10, 2009 by lquidspine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Wahrheit Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Chirp, you don't think God brought back work from the table? You know he has something, I can't wait to hear what you guys won!! I wonder what the Right winger is going to change in the bible. Hmm let me guess 1. Do away with helping the poor. 2. make it ok to commit adultry. 3. fornicating is ok. This is just a start but im sure the right is going to make it ok for them to commit their sins......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriper Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Chirp, you don't think God brought back work from the table? You know he has something, I can't wait to hear what you guys won!! god brought local reps into his office while he was on conference call with bob,,after he came back from negs,,,he did his usual yelling and screaming,,told everyone how he was saving everyone and raws,,,then borrowed a viagra and said he was outa there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriper Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I wonder what the Right winger is going to change in the bible. Hmm let me guess 1. Do away with helping the poor. 2. make it ok to commit adultry. 3. fornicating is ok. This is just a start but im sure the right is going to make it ok for them to commit their sins......... your comment just outed you as non ford die bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 your comment just outed you as non ford die bullshit He is not and has been reported as a non employee(hourly or salaried) posting in the employee forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 (edited) Page 2 of the April 2009 UAW-Chrysler Settlement Agreement Binding Arbitration - Upon expiration of the 2007 Agreement, the parties will enter into a new National Collective Bargaining Agreement which will continue in full force and effect until September 14, 2015. Unresolved issues remaining at the end of negotiations on the 2011 renewal of the 2007 Agreement shall be resolved through binding arbitration with wage and benefit improvements to be based upon Chrysler maintaining an all-in hourly labor cost comparable to its U.S. competitors, including transplant automotive manufactures. Entry Level Employment- All new production employees, through the September 14,2015 expiration of the National Collective Bargaining Agreement, will be hired as Entry Level employees and governed by the terms of the UAW-ChryslerEntry Level Wage and Benefits Agreement M-13. If this tentative agreement reads anything like that, then well its exactly what Gm and Chrysler got. I will emphasize this part Unresolved issues remaining at the end of negotiations on the 2011 renewal of the 2007 Agreement shall be resolved through binding arbitration with wage and benefit improvements to be based upon Chrysler maintaining an all-in hourly labor cost comparable to its U.S. competitors, including transplant automotive manufactures. I am glad to tell you it does'nt...read anything like that...not sure about entry level just know it is about the same just maybe a little better. This part sounds farmilar but not the rest of that bullshit!(wage and benefit improvements to be based upon (Ford) maintaining an all-in hourly labor cost comparable to its U.S. competitors. Isn't that what we do now? Are'nt we there now? Does this agreement help that situation in the future? I think so. Edited October 10, 2009 by TheEagle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I wonder what the Right winger is going to change in the bible. Hmm let me guess 1. Do away with helping the poor. 2. make it ok to commit adultry. 3. fornicating is ok. This is just a start but im sure the right is going to make it ok for them to commit their sins......... Hey fuckface, why don't you drink a tall glass of shut the fuck up and die! fuckoff on outta here already ballbag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 god brought local reps into his office while he was on conference call with bob,,after he came back from negs,,,he did his usual yelling and screaming,,told everyone how he was saving everyone and raws,,,then borrowed a viagra and said he was outa there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Channel 4 in Detroit is reporting a tentative deal has been reached between the UAW and Ford. Some of the highlights: No strike guarantee through 2015. New hires have to work 5 years to get full new hire pay. Skilled trades can be sent back to the assembly line when necessary. Ford "guarantees" new products and no U.S. plant closures. This was just aired on TV. Don't shoot the messenger. :stats: No, they'll just put them on "Warm Idle", right? My ass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 (edited) Why there is nothing in this Tentative Agreement concerning retiree's . Edited October 10, 2009 by lquidspine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOULJABOY Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Eagle, This is the third and last time I will ask this question> What are they going to give back to us? You brought this up early on, now your the one who claims to have a friend who is a negotiater (however you spell it ). You are the one that said to keep an open mind. You are the one that even brought the thought of Ford giving us something back. Now is the the time to come clean and tell us what it is they are going to give us back. Hell we are going to find out next week anyways, unless we hear it from the media first. For once give us the information before the media has a field day with it. When you are asked a question you try hard to aviod giving an answer. This leads me to believe that you are full of sh*&. Prove me wrong that is all I ask. Since you can't answer a simple question don't tell me to keep my mind open to the new contract, don't tell me not to vote no. I believe you can't answer that question because if you say something that doesn't happen you will look like an ass*&^e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Didn't he already answer ? I could have sworn within the first few pages of this thread he said his contact said a bonus of some sort based on Quality achievements or somehow tied to quality, as well as work guarantees to some East Side Plants. Either way not a fair trade off in my opinion, I'm good where I'm at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Wahrheit Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 He is not and has been reported as a non employee(hourly or salaried) posting in the employee forums. Hey dip shit dont tell me where i work. And i know one thing i dont have to tell you you piss ant. I have the right to be vocal just like you do. all you do is cry and say vote no. No one is hearing that BS. WHy dont you take it to the international head quarters if you want some one to hear you. You talk a good talk but none of you nay sayers are willing to go the extra mile. Im not talking about calln International im talking about marching on international. None of you have the balls to do that but you will satand behind your pc's an complain complain. You are a bunch of whinning little sissies.... And thats why nothing gets done because none of you have the balls to get up and do something. There are two types of people in this world the ones who act and the ones who react. You my friend react and will do nothing until its too late. Im so sick of you whinning about getn screwed by the union. if it wasnt for the union you wouldnt have an ahole to get screwed in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Hey dip shit dont tell me where i work. And i know one thing i dont have to tell you you piss ant. I have the right to be vocal just like you do. all you do is cry and say vote no. No one is hearing that BS. WHy dont you take it to the international head quarters if you want some one to hear you. You talk a good talk but none of you nay sayers are willing to go the extra mile. Im not talking about calln International im talking about marching on international. None of you have the balls to do that but you will satand behind your pc's an complain complain. You are a bunch of whinning little sissies.... And thats why nothing gets done because none of you have the balls to get up and do something. There are two types of people in this world the ones who act and the ones who react. You my friend react and will do nothing until its too late. Im so sick of you whinning about getn screwed by the union. if it wasnt for the union you wouldnt have an ahole to get screwed in... I will be at the Region 1A meeting as well as Local 600 when they have their sales pitch, I will be just as vocal for the same reasons I am on the net. I don't hide who I am on a secure site but when outside shit stirrers like you come on here you have no fucking business knowing who I am and such. Now that I have answered your question care to do the the honor of the question I have asked of you several times now that you keep ducking ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I have to ask all of the members of this site, has any good come from the last two agreements? Now has Ford followed trough with their product commitments? O.K., Now is Ford at a disadvantage with the same domestic competition they are currently stealing market share from? O.K., is the company unprofitable? Lastly, have the managers in this company taken concessions by % equal to the average UAW Member?Have I asked all of the right questions? Good questions, but wrong answers. 1)Has any good come from the last two agreements? Really? You think nothing good came from them? IUAW fought to keep the Companmy running. VEBA has been HUGE in keeping the doors open to almost every plant. What is keeping Ford in buisiness & away from the bailout? These changes saved the Company BILLIONS. Just think about the billions lost & how much worse it would be without the acounting treatment the Company was able to take. It is hard to understand so most people don't really think about it, but all the Negotiators really came through with a landmark agreement that saved a lot for everyone. 2) Is Ford at a disadvantage to the competition? YES. GM & Chrysler don't have loans due to repay like Ford does. Government & bankruptcy erased all of theirs just like that. And don't forget, Ford helped pay for them to come out of bankruptcy. Think of all the mom & pops, workers comp cases & people all over the company that were screwed when GM & Chrysler bailed on all their obligations. These guys are the worst of integrity. Ford kept their promises to suppliers, banks, employees (including over a billion of investment in the US - don't forget). and still has a lot of $$ to pay., Maybe more than we are going to make off of our great products. 3) Is the Company unprofitable? YES. ?? Do you think otherwise? 4) Have managers taken concessions equal to the average UAW member? YES. Have you ever talked to a salaried employee? There were no buyouts. They were fired with no choice, no advance notice. The # of salaried employees was reduced the same amount as hourly, but much less costly & barely a parachute. You are giving the UAW NO credit for the safety they have negotiated for us to keep our safety net & reduce numbers in a humane way. Salaried has had no pay increases over the last few years, matching hourly. Benefits are reduced more severely than UAW workers. Pensions are gone for new hires years ago. Retiree healthcare? Dental? Vision? fuhgeddaboutit Let's get all the details before getting too worried. Remember the UAW has done well over the years negotiating tough in good times. We need to focus on this AFTER the company gets through the tough times and is making money -- which is not yet, but maybe 2011. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot before then. ANd get all the details before making a decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Eagle, This is the third and last time I will ask this question> What are they going to give back to us? You brought this up early on, now your the one who claims to have a friend who is a negotiater (however you spell it ). You are the one that said to keep an open mind. You are the one that even brought the thought of Ford giving us something back. Now is the the time to come clean and tell us what it is they are going to give us back. Hell we are going to find out next week anyways, unless we hear it from the media first. For once give us the information before the media has a field day with it. When you are asked a question you try hard to aviod giving an answer. This leads me to believe that you are full of sh*&. Prove me wrong that is all I ask. Since you can't answer a simple question don't tell me to keep my mind open to the new contract, don't tell me not to vote no. I believe you can't answer that question because if you say something that doesn't happen you will look like an ass*&^e. Well for one new work is all over this agreement..2 assembly plants that have no product now do have product.. Sterling Romeo Livonia Rawsonville cleveland milan etc...... all have new work guarenteed. we are getting 1k bonus in march (thats like a christmas bonus back for the next two years.) skilled trades does'nt have to do the stupid shit GM and Chrysler have to do..(which by the way is going to fail GM and Chrysler miserably) 2 trades is the most unproductive thing we could ever do...if trades goes to production they keep thier rate of pay!! How much more did you expect to get? For what we are giving is sound far better than GM and Chrysler and Far better than what I expected.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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