ALEX4398 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Does any one have the specific language pertaining to rule 1.5 when placing laid off trades. I have heard Saline may put on trades and was wondering what the procedure might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duanesz Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Well its a ACH plant do they have to follow the rules? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymaker Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Does any one have the specific language pertaining to rule 1.5 when placing laid off trades. I have heard Saline may put on trades and was wondering what the procedure might be. if saline has trades working production and saline is there home plant. they do not have to post a trade opening. they would just take them off production and put them back on trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsquare Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 if saline has trades working production and saline is there home plant. they do not have to post a trade opening. they would just take them off production and put them back on trades. Home plant are the key words here. Most trades working production are temps at Saline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP_Man Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Home plant are the key words here. Most trades working production are temps at Saline. But where is the actual language for Rule 1.5? How was this created since it wasn't part of the original process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsquare Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 But where is the actual language for Rule 1.5? How was this created since it wasn't part of the original process? My understanding is it is in the Local contract. It was negotiated localy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuromancer Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I thought it was in the unpublished letters of the last contract. I used to have a copy of them but can't seem to find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckindtp Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Gentlemen the 1.5 rule is a local addon to the heirachy placement rules set down in the national contract which are in layman's terms1) layed off personnel 2)any "protective status" personnel (that would include any trades back to prod. from other facilities) 3) zone placement by seniority....and so on. But here at the Rouge all trades are centrally located at the M + C Unit located in the Engine plant and are not "assigned" to the buildings in the Rouge (ie final assembly) but loaned to them. So we as tradesmen working in final or other buildings in production and since we have never worked in the M + C unit the rules are bypassed so to speak so it goes from rule 1 and skips to rule 3. This is only at the Rouge because of its central maint. if you were at say Mich. Assy. it would follow the steps in order. The 1.5 rule reinstates the placement rules for the Rouge exactly how they are supposed to be and no longer skips over us tradesmen who are in production from other facilities so now if a job opening comes to the Rouge, after layed off tradesmen we get first crack (by seniority of course) at the position before it goes to the "Zone list". Hope this was helpful if you have any other questions feel free to contact me on here or i currently work on B crew at final in the frame yard driving hilo ask for "Moose". May we all get back to our tools soon!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duanesz Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Gentlemen the 1.5 rule is a local addon to the heirachy placement rules set down in the national contract which are in layman's terms1) layed off personnel 2)any "protective status" personnel (that would include any trades back to prod. from other facilities) 3) zone placement by seniority....and so on. But here at the Rouge all trades are centrally located at the M + C Unit located in the Engine plant and are not "assigned" to the buildings in the Rouge (ie final assembly) but loaned to them. So we as tradesmen working in final or other buildings in production and since we have never worked in the M + C unit the rules are bypassed so to speak so it goes from rule 1 and skips to rule 3. This is only at the Rouge because of its central maint. if you were at say Mich. Assy. it would follow the steps in order. The 1.5 rule reinstates the placement rules for the Rouge exactly how they are supposed to be and no longer skips over us tradesmen who are in production from other facilities so now if a job opening comes to the Rouge, after layed off tradesmen we get first crack (by seniority of course) at the position before it goes to the "Zone list". Hope this was helpful if you have any other questions feel free to contact me on here or i currently work on B crew at final in the frame yard driving hilo ask for "Moose". May we all get back to our tools soon!!! Thats Local 600 for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALEX4398 Posted May 15, 2011 Author Share Posted May 15, 2011 I would wonder then what protection would be offered to those of us from Ypsi, Monroe, Wixom, Maumee etc.. If an opening at any plant was taken by someone from the rouge that would in-turn create an opening at the rouge. This then per rule 1.5 is filled by someone from the rouge and never be bid out to all laid-off trades. The closed plant trades are at a disadvantage because we will never be first, second or third in the hierarchy. Am I understanding this wrong? I was happy to see the elect. bids go up. Hoping for retrain to fill the opening they leave behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I would wonder then what protection would be offered to those of us from Ypsi, Monroe, Wixom, Maumee etc.. If an opening at any plant was taken by someone from the rouge that would in-turn create an opening at the rouge. This then per rule 1.5 is filled by someone from the rouge and never be bid out to all laid-off trades. The closed plant trades are at a disadvantage because we will never be first, second or third in the hierarchy. Am I understanding this wrong? I was happy to see the elect. bids go up. Hoping for retrain to fill the opening they leave behind. There is no protection.....At KTP they pulled two people off the line a year ago, who had never held a trade classification, and made them temporary millwrights with no end date in sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Angry_Millwright Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 There is no protection.....At KTP they pulled two people off the line a year ago, who had never held a trade classification, and made them temporary millwrights with no end date in sight. You know this to be FACT? Sorry but I'm skeptical of most of the shit posted here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteford Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 You know this to be FACT? Sorry but I'm skeptical of most of the shit posted here. This is a fact. So far the international has not stepped in to end this BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulewrong Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 You know this to be FACT? Sorry but I'm skeptical of most of the shit posted here. The appeal has been assigned to C. Browning assistant to King, according to King's office (called yesterday) it may take some time to rule.... The constitution provides for appeals, and a member has specific time limits to deal with when filing an appeal, but obviously the international can choose to sit on it as long as they want.... If interested give Kings office (solidarity house) a call and urge the international to rule....observe due process right to speedy appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktp1989 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) You know this to be FACT? Sorry but I'm skeptical of most of the shit posted here. This is fact...these guys came on close to a year ago and work midnight shift in final area...it's happening. Edited May 18, 2011 by Ktp1989 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulewrong Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 This is fact...these guys came on close to a year ago and work midnight shift in final area...it's happening. The international will have to rule soon, personally I think their waiting till the election ends at KTP. With this type of action no trade is safe, its my opinion the use of temp trades at KTP is a control issue. The whole incident started when the management team at KTP tried to get some safety PM's signed off by some millwrights, management called them drive by PM's. So millwrights took a look at the hoists and overhead equipment that production was using, and wholly shit....THERE WAS NO WAY THEY WERE LOOKING THE OTHER WAY ON THIS STUFF, some of the jobs were shut down immediately!! Drive by indeed.... So managements reaction was, these PM's were obviously being pencil whipped prior to this inspection, no way this equipment got this bad, since it's last inspection. So the management team, with the union's blessing, said we need to pull a couple of people off the line and make them millwrights because its obvious this equipment hasn't been getting the proper inspections by the millwrights at the plant.......Yeah right, they didn't want to discuss who the management people were that were counter signing the PM's..... The whole thing is a control issue, millwrights wrote up some safety issues pissed off management, managements reaction was fuck you, you don't want to row in the right direction, we'll replace you with people we can control.....And if these temp millwrights write up the wrong shit (lol like they know what their looking at) we'll put them back on the line and replace them....Which probably explains the stellar safety record at KTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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