The Donald

[Ron W.]

The deadline passed, and nothing from Obama.

 

Can anyone say we're surprised?

 

For Petes sake as much as I dislike Obama (and Romney) did you really expect Obama to lower himself for Trump.... About as much as Trump taking up Steven Colberts challenge for one million.. Neither are worth responding to.

[FiredMotorCompany]

I put Donald trump in the same category as Al Gore.

 

Nuisances to be ignored. And both rich from taking advantage of others who failed to see the potential to make money on the deal.

[Mark B. Morrow]

The deadline passed, and nothing from Obama.

 

Can anyone say we're surprised?

 

Stephen Colbert's deadline passed. Nothing from the Donald. That's probably a good thing for Stephen. God only knows where Trump's mouth has been.

[sprinter]

For Petes sake as much as I dislike Obama (and Romney) did you really expect Obama to lower himself for Trump.... About as much as Trump taking up Steven Colberts challenge for one million.. Neither are worth responding to.

Lower himself? When you have a closet full of skeletons as Obama does, it would take way more money and not to charities to bring those into the open. One day in the future the people will find out the truth, but not before this election.

Colbert is an idiot and likely doesn't even have a million dollars. Pretty pathetic for the liberals to make crude joke offers to draw attention away from the obvious fact that Obama is hiding his past.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Lower himself? When you have a closet full of skeletons as Obama does, it would take way more money and not to charities to bring those into the open. One day in the future the people will find out the truth, but not before this election.

 

Colbert is an idiot and likely doesn't even have a million dollars. Pretty pathetic for the liberals to make crude joke offers to draw attention away from the obvious fact that Obama is hiding his past.

 

Colbert is more likely to have a Million in cash than the ever leveraged Trump is.

[Cocheese]

For Petes sake as much as I dislike Obama (and Romney) did you really expect Obama to lower himself for Trump.... About as much as Trump taking up Steven Colberts challenge for one million.. Neither are worth responding to.

 

Why do you think he is "lowering" himself to Trump? He had the opportunity to donate $5 million to charity? And all he had to do was release some paper work. To compare Trump's offer to Colbert's is ridiculous. Colbert's was rude and disgusting. Trump was attempting to get the guy who claimed he was going to be the most transparent President ever, to release some information about himself that he has paid millions or dollars to hide.

 

Can someone tell me why Obama is hiding these things, if there is nothing on there that would make him look bad?

 

For the record, I think Romney hasn't released his tax returns because Obama has tried making this election about class warfare. And since Mitt is a wealthy man, Obama would try and use that to play into his tactic (all while hoping the people forget that he is very wealthy)

[Mark B. Morrow]

Why do you think he is "lowering" himself to Trump? He had the opportunity to donate $5 million to charity? And all he had to do was release some paper work. To compare Trump's offer to Colbert's is ridiculous. Colbert's was rude and disgusting. Trump was attempting to get the guy who claimed he was going to be the most transparent President ever, to release some information about himself that he has paid millions or dollars to hide.

 

Can someone tell me why Obama is hiding these things, if there is nothing on there that would make him look bad?

 

For the record, I think Romney hasn't released his tax returns because Obama has tried making this election about class warfare. And since Mitt is a wealthy man, Obama would try and use that to play into his tactic (all while hoping the people forget that he is very wealthy)

 

Pure BS Cocheese. Romney is the one hiding his tax returnsdespite the fact that his own father set the standard. Obama has released 10 years of his tax returns so no one is forgetting that he is wealthy. He reminds people of that fact when he continues to state that he thinks his own rate is too low.

 

So why won't Mitt come clean? Ann Romney herself stated that they didn't want to give their opponents ammunition. If there's nothing to hide, what ammo would the returns provide?

 

Here are some of the possibilities:

 

1. Mitt paid less than 13% during some of the last 10 years, contrary to his statements.

 

2. Mitt had significant investments that would be unacceptable to voters, Tax havens, shelters, special loopholes, etc. (Like how his IRA is worth $100 Million)

 

3. Mitt participated in the IRS amnesty or had litigation regarding his filings.

 

4. Mitt claimed to have been active in Bain Capital rather than a passive investor for years he has claimed to have been uninvolved in Bain Capital's day to day operations.

 

5. Mitt claimed deductions that are even harder to explain than the $77,000 he took on Ann's Dancing Horse.

 

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/08/11/mitt_romneys_ira_is_unlikely_centerpiece_of_wealth_and_tax_avoidance/

[FiredMotorCompany]

Pure BS Cocheese. Romney is the one hiding his tax returnsdespite the fact that his own father set the standard. Obama has released 10 years of his tax returns so no one is forgetting that he is wealthy. He reminds people of that fact when he continues to state that he thinks his own rate is too low.

(Rates too low? How stupid! He can pay all he wants and I bet he pays accountants to be sure he DOESN'T overpay. Why don't he call Timothy Geithner? He surely can help him pay his fair share.)

 

So why won't Mitt come clean? Ann Romney herself stated that they didn't want to give their opponents ammunition. If there's nothing to hide, what ammo would the returns provide?

(You folks bought Ted Kennedy's explanation and you have the AUDACITY to want Romney to give you evidence of his lawful tax documents to parse over and nit pick? Call the I.R.S. if you have reason to accuse Romney of cheating. They offer rewards to snitches.)

 

 

Here are some of the possibilities:

 

1. Mitt paid less than 13% during some of the last 10 years, contrary to his statements.

(Specify. Are you referring to total or Capital Gains or Earned Income?)

 

2. Mitt had significant investments that would be unacceptable to voters, Tax havens, shelters, special loopholes, etc. (Like how his IRA is worth $100 Million)

(LEGAL. Special? Ask your friends in the Senate when they passed those special loopholes for Romney.)

 

3. Mitt participated in the IRS amnesty or had litigation regarding his filings.

(Cite your proof. I'll consider it if I deem it more valid than Obama's birth certificate.)

 

4. Mitt claimed to have been active in Bain Capital rather than a passive investor for years he has claimed to have been uninvolved in Bain Capital's day to day operations.

(I think you lost your train of thought. Try to focus and rephrase your accusation in intelligible sentences.)

 

5. Mitt claimed deductions that are even harder to explain than the $77,000 he took on Ann's Dancing Horse.

(Of all people, Obama supporters are the last people who should be questioning the difficulty to explain someone's behavior. Are you forgetting who was the host at Obama's announcement that he was running for the state Senate? Hint: Bill Ayers.)

 

http://www.boston.co..._tax_avoidance/

[Mark B. Morrow]

 

I said the examples were some of the possible reasons Romney won't release his returns. There is no way to prove which, if any are correct without the returns.

 

Here's George Will's take

 

"The cost of not releasing the returns are clear,” conservative columnist George Will said on ABC’s "This Week" in July. “Therefore, he must've calculated that there are higher costs in releasing them.”:

 

It wasn't just Democrats calling for Romney to release more returns, nearly all of the Republican candidates for the nomination did so, as well as many other conservatives.

 

Nos. 1&2: It doesn't matter if the rate is lower due to Cap Gains or if all the loopholes are legal for people to hold it against him for paying less than they do in taxes as a percentage of income.

 

No. 3: The IRS amnesty program involved Swiss Bank holdings. We do know Mitt was invested in Swiss Banks. Did Mitt participate? The tax returns would prove it one way or the other.

 

No. 4: Mitt has claimed to have left Bain to go to the Olympics. He states he was not involved in making decisions despite the fact that he was still listed as the CEO and sole shareholder on SEC filings.Mitt wanted to avoid blame for some of Bain's unpopular business decisions that cost a lot of jobs.

 

His tax returns may show that he was Active rather than passive. There are different tax benefits for active investors.

 

No.5: WTF does Bill Ayers have to do with Mitt's tax return deductions?

Edited November 6, 2012 by Mark B. Morrow

[cal50]

Pure BS Cocheese. Romney is the one hiding his tax returnsdespite the fact that his own father set the standard. Obama has released 10 years of his tax returns so no one is forgetting that he is wealthy. He reminds people of that fact when he continues to state that he thinks his own rate is too low.

 

So why won't Mitt come clean? Ann Romney herself stated that they didn't want to give their opponents ammunition. If there's nothing to hide, what ammo would the returns provide?

 

Here are some of the possibilities:

 

1. Mitt paid less than 13% during some of the last 10 years, contrary to his statements.

 

2. Mitt had significant investments that would be unacceptable to voters, Tax havens, shelters, special loopholes, etc. (Like how his IRA is worth $100 Million)

 

3. Mitt participated in the IRS amnesty or had litigation regarding his filings.

 

4. Mitt claimed to have been active in Bain Capital rather than a passive investor for years he has claimed to have been uninvolved in Bain Capital's day to day operations.

 

5. Mitt claimed deductions that are even harder to explain than the $77,000 he took on Ann's Dancing Horse.

 

http://www.boston.co..._tax_avoidance/

 

 

Need some cheese to go with that wine?

 

I think its safe to say the man is worth a lot of loot. Now if there is legit claims of illegal activity than by all means drop a dime on him or anyone else.

I guess the innocent until proven guilty is a catch phrase for atty's and Harry Reid.

 

Strange, no one made net wealth / holdings an issue when Kerry was "your guy".

[Mark B. Morrow]

Need some cheese to go with that wine?

 

I think its safe to say the man is worth a lot of loot. Now if there is legit claims of illegal activity than by all means drop a dime on him or anyone else.

I guess the innocent until proven guilty is a catch phrase for atty's and Harry Reid.

 

Strange, no one made net wealth / holdings an issue when Kerry was "your guy".

 

There is no way to do more than speculate without Mitt's returns. That by the way was the entire point George Romney made when he released 12 years of his returns during his run for President.

 

George Romney's response to his biographer's request for his most recent 1040 in 1967:

 

"Release of the document, while it might serve a political purpose, would not prove very much, he argued. One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show, and what mattered in personal finance was how a man conducted himself over the long haul." George Romney, however, called Harris back and surprised him.

 

"Stumped by this argument, I was not prepared for the move that it eventually led him to make: He ordered up all the Form 1040's that he and Mrs. Rome had filed over the past twelve years — including those profitable ones from when he saved the American Motors Company from bankruptcy and became a millionaire on the company's stock options." http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/why-george-romney-released-his-tax-returns

 

 

You have a very short memory with regard to John Kerry.

 

Kerry was badgered by the Bush campaign over his tax returns. Kerry released 20 years of his returns. His wife Theresa Heinz-Kerry released summaries of her seperate returns. Heinz-Kerry had always filed seperately.

 

http://factcheck.org/2012/07/romney-and-the-tax-return-precedent/

 

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/16/kerrys-office-romney-has-facts-wrong-on-kerrys-tax-returns/

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

No.5: WTF does Bill Ayers have to do with Mitt's tax return deductions?

 

No. 5-Hard to explain situations. Didn't want to wander off into the weeds too far.

 

As far as Tax Returns, this is a recent addition to vetting candidates. There is NO LAW requiring it. Anyone asked Harry Reid where his wealth came from? Oh, not that interested? He certainly wields enough power to rate a little scrutiny. But it's convenient to dismiss his shadowy rise to riches.

[Mark B. Morrow]

No. 5-Hard to explain situations. Didn't want to wander off into the weeds too far.

 

As far as Tax Returns, this is a recent addition to vetting candidates. There is NO LAW requiring it. Anyone asked Harry Reid where his wealth came from? Oh, not that interested? He certainly wields enough power to rate a little scrutiny. But it's convenient to dismiss his shadowy rise to riches.

 

It's not that recent. George Romney did it 45 years ago. It is true that there is no law requiring it. President Obama released 10 years of his returns. It is curious that Romney couldn't be confirmed for a cabinet post without releasing multiple years of returns.

[FiredMotorCompany]

It,s funny. Obama could not work in the White House if he wasn't president. He would not qualify for a security clearance.

[cal50]

Either make it a condition of vetting a candidate (mandatory or a condition of running) or do not go there.

If its optional and a person opts not to release it look up optional in the dictionary.

 

How much Romney is worth only fuels the class warfare BS. Its for the weak minded.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Either make it a condition of vetting a candidate (mandatory or a condition of running) or do not go there.

If its optional and a person opts not to release it look up optional in the dictionary.

 

How much Romney is worth only fuels the class warfare BS. Its for the weak minded.

 

When one of the primary issues in the counrty is the fairness of the tax code, Romney's taxes are relevant. This class warfare dodge is BS.

[cal50]

When one of the primary issues in the counrty is the fairness of the tax code, Romney's taxes are relevant. This class warfare dodge is BS.

 

 

When one of the primary issues in the counrty is the fairness of the tax code, Romney's taxes are relevant. This class warfare dodge is BS.

 

I do not care what Obama or Romney paid in taxes unless there is some proof of illegal activity. Neither man has anything to do with the current IRS tax code, only if they complied with it or not. If you can cite something Romney did that is / was illegal then you have my attention. Its a poor argument and no better than the A-hole Harry Reid making his asinine statement on the senate floor or never paying taxes. Reid was smart because he can say anything on the floor and NOT be sued. It plays into the class warfare bullshit the liberals & Obama attempt to stir up every election. Its not a dodge , its a fact. No different than the 99% and OWS crap. It plays to a base of people within their party.

 

You are not stupid and know this......

 

Romney I am sure has some smart accountants and CPA's and no different than an Obama or a Kerry ( people with money) they pay what they are instructed to pay by their staff. What there income is or tax paid has little to do with the job as president. In Romney's case he made his money before going to Washington and a lot of other politicians made their money off of Washington.

[Langston Hughes]

It,s funny. Obama could not work in the White House if he wasn't president. He would not qualify for a security clearance.

 

And please do explain to us.

[Cocheese]

When one of the primary issues in the counrty is the fairness of the tax code, Romney's taxes are relevant. This class warfare dodge is BS.

 

That's a crock and you know it. Or at least you should. Romney didn't write the tax code, or do anything to prevent it from being re-written. The IRS says he's playing within the rules, so what he has done should be a non-issue

 

Pure BS Cocheese. Romney is the one hiding his tax returnsdespite the fact that his own father set the standard.

 

His father wasn't in the midst of a class welfare fight with the other side. As long as the IRS says the returns are fine, there should be no issue

 

Obama has released 10 years of his tax returns so no one is forgetting that he is wealthy. He reminds people of that fact when he continues to state that he thinks his own rate is too low.

 

Michael Moore says he's part of the 99% despite his net worth proving he's not. Yet the sheep lap it up. Obama's wealth, and how he gained it, has never been brought up. The MSM attack Ann Romney for wearing expensive clothes, then call Michelle Obama a tread setter for wearing pricer items. Trust me, I'd be willing to wager money that the most hardened Obama supporters think that he's in the 99%.

 

So why won't Mitt come clean? Ann Romney herself stated that they didn't want to give their opponents ammunition. If there's nothing to hide, what ammo would the returns provide?

 

Aren't you a lawyer? What would you say if a DA who you knew was out to find guilt on your client wanted to go through all of his personal belongings? Obama tried to make this election about class warfare. The "ammunition" Ann Romney was talking about was their considerable wealth.

 

Here are some of the possibilities:

 

1. Mitt paid less than 13% during some of the last 10 years, contrary to his statements.

 

Is this within the tax codes of the IRS? If yes, then what does it matter? Oh yeah, class warfare.

 

2. Mitt had significant investments that would be unacceptable to voters, Tax havens, shelters, special loopholes, etc. (Like how his IRA is worth $100 Million)

 

Are these investments legal? Would it be safe to assume there are prominent Liberals who have the same investments? If yes, then what does it matter? Oh yeah, class warfare.

 

3. Mitt participated in the IRS amnesty or had litigation regarding his filings.

 

Was this a legal thing in the US? If yes, then what does it matter? Oh yeah, class warfare.

 

PS, aren't there some heavy hitting Liberals who have failed to pay their taxes? Or is not paying their taxes only a bad thing if they have an R at the end of their name

 

4. Mitt claimed to have been active in Bain Capital rather than a passive investor for years he has claimed to have been uninvolved in Bain Capital's day to day operations.

 

Again, I have no idea why this is an issue. Oh yes, the Left tried painting Bain as this horrible company. DId Bain do anything illegal? If not If not, then what does it matter? Oh yeah, class warfare.

 

5. Mitt claimed deductions that are even harder to explain than the $77,000 he took on Ann's Dancing Horse

 

Are his deductions on the up and up? If so, then what does it matter? Oh yeah, class warfare.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Now that it's over, it's going to be a tough few days for you Cocheese.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Mitt Romney makes a classy concession speech.

 

Donald Trump, not so much. Calls for revolution on twitter. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/donald-trump-election-revolution_n_2085864.html

[Langston Hughes]

Wait. Is a conservative calling for violence? I thought this wouldn't happen! So much for that thought.

[Langston Hughes]

Considering how versa told us it was a foregone conclusion I wonder how he's doing?

[FiredMotorCompany]

Wait. Is a conservative calling for violence? I thought this wouldn't happen! So much for that thought.

 

Riot-By definition includes violence

 

Revolution-Not so much.

[Langston Hughes]

Yes, your right he's calling for a hunger strike. My bad. I should know that revolution doesn't involve violence. The American, the French and the Bolshevik were merely social gatherings. Don't you ever get tired of playing their apologist b!t%4!?