Culture of lies

[Trimdingman]

 

I wonder if you have every actually met an illegal immigrant or even a legal migrant worker. The majority live like the early 1900's.

 

 

None of what I am saying is sinking in. We can't look after every illegal that wants to sneak in. What would entitle them to a share of what we worked for? Because of the generous entitlements to our own citizens, and the administration of these entitlements, we have to work 50% of our time to pay for it, and still the government has to borrow over 40% of it's budget. The reason why people on the bottom are so poor is because any opportunity they may have had has been usurped by massive government. If I had an extra $500 per week to spend, along with tens of millions of other tax payers, there would be zero unemployment. People believe that the government knows how to spend their money better than they do. How is that working out?

 

I lived in the 1950s in conditions that nobody lives in to-day; no central heat in a cold Canadian climate, just a wood stove; outhouse; no hot water, just a cold water tap in the kitchen sink, when it wasn't frozen up. Otherwise we carried water from the reservoir or melted snow. We had to store food for winter. I never considered myself poor.

Edited October 28, 2013 by Trimdingman

[Langston Hughes]

 

 

None of what I am saying is sinking in. We can't look after every illegal that wants to sneak in. What would entitle them to a share of what we worked for? Because of the generous entitlements to our own citizens, and the administration of these entitlements, we have to work 50% of our time to pay for it, and still the government has to borrow over 40% of it's budget. The reason why people on the bottom are so poor is because any opportunity they may have had has been usurped by massive government. If I had an extra $500 per week to spend, along with tens of millions of other tax payers, there would be zero unemployment. People believe that the government knows how to spend their money better than they do. How is that working out?

 

I lived in the 1950s in conditions that nobody lives in to-day; no central heat in a cold Canadian climate, just a wood stove; outhouse; no hot water, just a cold water tap in the kitchen sink, when it wasn't frozen up. Otherwise we carried water from the reservoir or melted snow. We had to store food for winter. I never considered myself poor.

 

No, it's sinking in that you have little to no clue what actually happens with illegals or legal migrants.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?_r=0

 

As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year

 

[NickF1011]

As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year

 

 

They seem to be claiming all of that back in illegally awarded child tax credits though, so it's a wash.

 

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/michael-shedlock/irs-refunds-4-billion-child-tax-credits

Edited October 29, 2013 by NickF1011

[Edstock]

Republican Says He'd Bring Back Slavery If His Constituents Asked Him To

Nevada Assemblyman Jim Wheeler's comments to fellow Republicans sparked an uproar from his colleagues.

[Langston Hughes]

They seem to be claiming all of that back in illegally awarded child tax credits though, so it's a wash.[/size]

 

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/michael-shedlock/irs-refunds-4-billion-child-tax-credits

I don't doubt that it does happen, however the image of illegals coming here and not working is not true.

[napfirst]

I don't doubt that it does happen, however the image of illegals coming here and not working is not true.

When you make statements like this, it reminds me of something my grandfather use to say about naive people....."they are like chickens, they wake up in a new world everyday"

[Langston Hughes]

When you make statements like this, it reminds me of something my grandfather use to say about naive people....."they are like chickens, they wake up in a new world everyday"

 

See, they have jobs and shit.

 

Edited October 30, 2013 by Langston Hughes

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

See, they have jobs and shit.

 

 

 

 

 

How long have you sat on that photo waiting for a chance to use it?

[FiredMotorCompany]

Republican Says He'd Bring Back Slavery If His Constituents Asked Him To

Nevada Assemblyman Jim Wheeler's comments to fellow Republicans sparked an uproar from his colleagues.

There's a politician who represents his constituents and voters.

 

Not that I condone slavery, but I find it remarkable that he is so committed to speaking as the voice of his voters. Where the majority of all other congressmen are the voice for other influences.

 

The republicans are only concerned of the public backlash to his reference to slavery.

 

 

It should reflect on his constituents if that's what they asked him to do.

Edited October 30, 2013 by FiredMotorCompany

[Trimdingman]

 

No, it's sinking in that you have little to no clue what actually happens with illegals or legal migrants.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?_r=0

Do they survive or do they die? That should be up to them. That's how it was for me when I was young. We did what we had to do to survive. There was little work, and virtually none in the winter. Look at the Eskimos who survive in the snow. That's a far cry from people from a tropical climate with lots of vegetation all year round; no need for shelter or warm clothing. I think they are too soft.

[Langston Hughes]

 

How long have you sat on that photo waiting for a chance to use it?

 

I just found it. It's practically Halloween so of course these photos will be popping up now.

[Langston Hughes]

Do they survive or do they die? That should be up to them. That's how it was for me when I was young. We did what we had to do to survive. There was little work, and virtually none in the winter. Look at the Eskimos who survive in the snow. That's a far cry from people from a tropical climate with lots of vegetation all year round; no need for shelter or warm clothing. I think they are too soft.

 

Okay gramps, tell us about how you walked to and from school with no shoes in the winter and it was uphill both ways.

[Trimdingman]

 

Okay gramps, tell us about how you walked to and from school with no shoes in the winter and it was uphill both ways.

 

Compared to what I had, people on welfare to-day are rich. People in the tropics don't need anything. Everything they need is free for the taking. In the north, you need to make an effort to obtain food, clothing and shelter. How many people could survive without government telling them how to live? We are so addicted to government that we don't even remember where we came from. Speaking of school, that is where kids learn to be slaves to the government. Education needs to be taken away from government. People are being dumbed down in government schools instead of becoming smarter.

 

When I went to school, the government didn't brainwash the way it does to-day. If you learn too much mathematics, you will figure out the Ponzi schemes and junk science concerning environmental hogwash the socialists are trying to indoctrinate like a toxic religion. Brains are turning to mush.

 

If, a century ago, the government had decided to take over the production and distribution of food, and to-day, someone like myself said that food production and distribution should be taken out of the hands of government, people like Langston would howl about how people would become mal-nourished from eating the wrong food. Only the rich would eat, and the poor would starve. It would never work. Government doesn't need to be involved in anything. Government meddling is at the root of all of our problems, and is the prime cause of our imminent economic collapse, or WWIII.

Edited November 3, 2013 by Trimdingman

[Langston Hughes]

 

Compared to what I had, people on welfare to-day are rich. People in the tropics don't need anything. Everything they need is free for the taking. In the north, you need to make an effort to obtain food, clothing and shelter. How many people could survive without government telling them how to live? We are so addicted to government that we don't even remember where we came from. Speaking of school, that is where kids learn to be slaves to the government. Education needs to be taken away from government. People are being dumbed down in government schools instead of becoming smarter.

 

When I went to school, the government didn't brainwash the way it does to-day. If you learn too much mathematics, you will figure out the Ponzi schemes and junk science concerning environmental hogwash the socialists are trying to indoctrinate like a toxic religion. Brains are turning to mush.

 

If, a century ago, the government had decided to take over the production and distribution of food, and to-day, someone like myself said that food production and distribution should be taken out of the hands of government, people like Langston would howl about how people would become mal-nourished from eating the wrong food. Only the rich would eat, and the poor would starve. It would never work. Government doesn't need to be involved in anything. Government meddling is at the root of all of our problems, and is the prime cause of our imminent economic collapse, or WWIII.

 

Why am i not surprised that everything was better in your day? Just an FYI, it wasn't.

 

But I do agree that there is some level of indoctrination concerning schools, both private and public in the US although i disagree with you about the who and why. I also disagree with you about your day and all that my time was better because schools in the US have been doing the "patriot" indoctrination since before you were likely born. Take the time to read about this case

 

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0310_0586_ZO.html

 

Even if it were assumed that freedom of speech goes beyond the historic concept of full opportunity to utter and to disseminate views, however heretical or offensive to dominant opinion, and includes freedom from conveying what may be deemed an implied but rejected affirmation, the question remains whether school children, like the Gobitis children, must be excused from conduct required of all the other children in the promotion of national cohesion. We are dealing with an interest inferior to none in the hierarchy of legal values. National unity is the basis of national security. To deny the legislature the right to select appropriate means for its attainment presents a totally different order of problem from that of the propriety of subordinating the possible ugliness of littered streets to the free expression of opinion through distribution of handbills..........The preciousness of the family relation, the authority and independence which give dignity to parenthood, indeed the enjoyment of all freedom, presuppose the kind of ordered society which is summarized by our flag. A society which is dedicated to the preservation of these ultimate values of civilization may, in self-protection, utilize the educational process for inculcating those almost unconscious feelings which bind men together in a comprehending loyalty, whatever may be their lesser differences and difficulties.

 

This decision which says that schools could indoctrinate children with supposed patriotism by requiring the pledge even when it violated their religious beliefs was then overturned three years later in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, but you should be able to see that the schools have had a long history of indoctrination only one that you might agree with.

 

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0319_0624_ZO.html

 

Now, i'm wondering a bit about these parts of your post

 

 

 

If you learn too much mathematics, you will figure out the Ponzi schemes and junk science concerning environmental hogwash the socialists are trying to indoctrinate like a toxic religion. Brains are turning to mush.

 

I don't even know what this means. And i'm not sure about this either.

 

 

 

If, a century ago, the government had decided to take over the production and distribution of food, and to-day, someone like myself said that food production and distribution should be taken out of the hands of government, people like Langston would howl about how people would become mal-nourished from eating the wrong food

[Trimdingman]

 

Why am i not surprised that everything was better in your day? Just an FYI, it wasn't.

 

But I do agree that there is some level of indoctrination concerning schools, both private and public in the US although i disagree with you about the who and why. I also disagree with you about your day and all that my time was better because schools in the US have been doing the "patriot" indoctrination since before you were likely born. Take the time to read about this case

 

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0310_0586_ZO.html

 

 

This decision which says that schools could indoctrinate children with supposed patriotism by requiring the pledge even when it violated their religious beliefs was then overturned three years later in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, but you should be able to see that the schools have had a long history of indoctrination only one that you might agree with.

 

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0319_0624_ZO.html

 

Now, i'm wondering a bit about these parts of your post

 

 

I don't even know what this means. And i'm not sure about this either.

 

Schools should be private; no government involvement. No law should dictate what is taught in schools. Society should evolve naturally.

 

As for my analogy of government taking over the production and distribution of food, which is not being done now; if it were the case, I am sure that many people would not be able to imagine a world where we went out and bought our own food which was produced by private farmers and manufacturers. Apply this to health care, education, pensions, unemployment benefits, everything the government does. Return tax money thus saved to the people. The world would not end; just as people are not starving because they have to buy their own food. Of course, the government is moving towards taking over food distribution with food banks and food stamps. It needs to be stamped out now.

[Trimdingman]

 

 

In private schools, with no government funding or regulation, the school would have to cater to the customers; which would be the parents of the students and the students, themselves. A teacher would lease or buy the classroom and supplies; and charge each student a fee. The fee would be based on what people were willing to pay and the quality of the product. School would not be mandatory, as it is possible to receive an education on the internet. For a teacher to make a decent living of a hundred thousand a year, he/she would charge around $3000 to $4000 a year per student, or a fraction of that if only one subject is taught. Government spends up to triple that amount to dumb down and lie to your kids. If you are not satisfied with the results, you change teachers. Quality would improve in a hurry.

 

 

 

I never said that things were better in my day, or that there was no brainwashing being done. Technology has advanced despite government efforts to curb it. As technology advanced, and government became more and more obsolete, they have been using mind control to convince people that government is necessary. The only way to control people in an advanced technological society where it is easy to end run around government, is tighter controls and more severe penalties; in other words, totalitarianism. The government-fed media is always talking about some perceived problem and that there needs to be another law to solve it. The real problem is government.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Trimdingman

[FiredMotorCompany]

I don't doubt that it does happen, however the image of illegals coming here and not working is not true.

Did you get that data from the Census Bureau?

 

 

 

 

Census ‘faked’ 2012 election jobs report

In the home stretch of the 2012 presidential campaign, from August to September, the unemployment rate fell sharply — raising eyebrows from Wall Street to Washington.

The decline — from 8.1 percent in August to 7.8 percent in September — might not have been all it seemed. The numbers, according to a reliable source, were manipulated.

And the Census Bureau, which does the unemployment survey, knew it.

Just two years before the presidential election, the Census Bureau had caught an employee fabricating data that went into the unemployment report, which is one of the most closely watched measures of the economy.

And a knowledgeable source says the deception went beyond that one employee — that it escalated at the time President Obama was seeking reelection in 2012 and continues today.

“He’s not the only one,” said the source, who asked to remain anonymous for now but is willing to talk with the Labor Department and Congress if asked.

The Census employee caught faking the results is Julius Buckmon, according to confidential Census documents obtained by The Post. Buckmon told me in an interview this past weekend that he was told to make up information by higher-ups at Census.

Ironically, it was Labor’s demanding standards that left the door open to manipulation.

Labor requires Census to achieve a 90 percent success rate on its interviews — meaning it needed to reach 9 out of 10 households targeted and report back on their jobs status.

Census currently has six regions from which surveys are conducted. The New York and Philadelphia regions, I’m told, had been coming up short of the 90 percent.

Philadelphia filled the gap with fake interviews.

“It was a phone conversation — I forget the exact words — but it was, ‘Go ahead and fabricate it’ to make it what it was,” Buckmon told me.

Census, under contract from the Labor Department, conducts the household survey used to tabulate the unemployment rate.

Interviews with some 60,000 household go into each month’s jobless number, which currently stands at 7.3 percent. Since this is considered a scientific poll, each one of the households interviewed represents 5,000 homes in the US.

Buckmon, it turns out, was a very ambitious employee. He conducted three times as many household interviews as his peers, my source said.

 

I suggested there was manipulation long before this report. If it pans out to be true, there are some here who owe me an apology.

[Trimdingman]

Why do people believe the biggest liars, and doubt the most honest? Children are indoctrinated to believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Baby Jesus. Later, in school, they are brainwashed to believe in the government. All of the fore-mentioned are lies. Everyone knows it; if not consciously, then deep down. I am the bad one for telling the truth. If you believe lies, then your brain is not functioning to it's potential. It is like you are playing Suduku, and you get say two fives in the same row. Rather than admit that you erred, you continue to fill in the squares, making excuses every time you see a violation. Does that sound familiar? Does that sound like socialism or religion? If something is not smooth, it is based on errors, and they compound until nothing makes sense, and you have to go to your leader for guidance. You are told to believe, and you turn into a grinning zombie staring into space.

[Trimdingman]

I watched a documentary on Youtube called Caeser's Messiah. It explains how the Romans made up Christianity to counter the Jewish religion which was threatening the Roman Empire. It makes a lot of sense to me.

[Langston Hughes]

I'm going with your hostile to Christianity so your biased to BELIEVE this movie adaptation of the book as the truth. And even with my own bias against Christianity and God, I can't believe garbage like this.

 

Yeah, Titus was the Jesus character. Except that Vespasian wasn't the first to deify children, adopted children, grandchildren and even nephews. You should delve deeper into what they say about both fo the Agrippina's to get some perspective. Given the tragic upheavals that accompanied succession the most likely reason for any potential godliness of male children is first and foremost for the throne and not to create a Jesus myth in order to pacify Jews. The Jewish wars weren't so spectacular that they left the Romans afraid and in need a "savior mythology", as far deeper in the psyche would be the battle of the Teuteberg Forest.

Edited December 9, 2013 by Langston Hughes

[Trimdingman]

I didn't know you were so into religion. I am not going to waste a lot of time on this. What caught my interest is the lack of contemporary evidence of the existence of a living Jesus, and the allegory between the war and the Bible. I am amazed at the way these fantasies continue to be believed by the masses, when it is so easy to see though them if you can take your mind out of the box of brainwash. Socialism; the belief that people are incapable of living their lives without government guiding their every movement is another religious fantasy. We evolved for millions of years without government. Now we need it. Some people have a need to control other people. That is why we have religion and socialism.

[Langston Hughes]

I didn't know you were so into religion. I am not going to waste a lot of time on this. What caught my interest is the lack of contemporary evidence of the existence of a living Jesus, and the allegory between the war and the Bible. I am amazed at the way these fantasies continue to be believed by the masses, when it is so easy to see though them if you can take your mind out of the box of brainwash. Socialism; the belief that people are incapable of living their lives without government guiding their every movement is another religious fantasy. We evolved for millions of years without government. Now we need it. Some people have a need to control other people. That is why we have religion and socialism.

 

Can't you discuss your belief about the documentary you brought up without a screed about something unconnected? Socialism has nothing to do with Joseph Atwill's book or movie.

[Trimdingman]

This thread is about lies. Religion is based on lies. Socialism and the need for Big Government is based on lies, also. Our whole culture is based on lies. People are hooked on lies like a drug. They climb the walls when you tell them the truth instead of giving them the lies that they crave like an addict craves crack cocaine.

 

I like the part in the documentary where the Jews were not interested in statues, just their religion book. That is why the Bible had to be written; so Jews would take to it. They were turned off worshipping statues. The New Testament is anti-Jew and pro-Roman. It advocates peace, whereas the Jewish religion advocated militancy. Why is it a stretch that the Romans had it written?

Edited December 9, 2013 by Trimdingman