fmccap Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Wow, that's what you came up with? Maybe we should reconsider the medal for participation. We'll make it a Truth of Honor medal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 We were talking about a specific subject, the protection of the Office of the President not the powers of the President. A distinction without a difference. What the hell can a President do without presidential powers? How about protection of the Office of the President actually means containing the actions of the office holder to those enumerated powers granted to the office by the Constitution? Instead of letting "your guy" bastardize it as long as he accomplishes what YOU want...."If the president does it, it's not illegal". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 A distinction without a difference. Distinction with a difference. These powers are not designed to be within the control of the President himself. What the hell can a President do without presidential powers? Why are you asking me? I never discussed presidential powers. I was discussing the countries protection of the Office. How about protection of the Office of the President actually means containing the actions of the office holder to those enumerated powers granted to the office by the Constitution? Instead of letting "your guy" bastardize it as long as he accomplishes what YOU want...."If the president does it, it's not illegal". Can we have a discussion about protecting presidents without going into every single outside thing you don't like a bout a particular president? Can we get back to the subject or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Can we get back to the subject or not? Sure. I'll start a new thread about the abuses of the office by the current White House occupant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Sure. I'll start a new thread about the abuses of the office by the current White House occupant. It's OK though because the other guy did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Sure. I'll start a new thread about the abuses of the office by the current White House occupant. I'm sure you will, awhile acting like he's the only one and that there has not been a precedent set by those before him. When one animal finds a way through the fence the rest will follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I'm sure you will, awhile acting like he's the only one and that there has not been a precedent set by those before him. When one animal finds a way through the fence the rest will follow. Then close the fence! Boy, you'd be one sorry farmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Then close the fence! Boy, you'd be one sorry farmer. I wanted the fence closed when Bush was in office, but no, the majority of conservatives did not want that. Now, after the herd is out they want the fence closed because they don't like the President. Now the herd is gone and not coming back so why worry about the fence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I'm sure you will, awhile acting like he's the only one and that there has not been a precedent set by those before him. When one animal finds a way through the fence the rest will follow. Then close the fence! Boy, you'd be one sorry farmer. I wanted the fence closed when Bush was in office, but no, the majority of conservatives did not want that. Now, after the herd is out they want the fence closed because they don't like the President. Now the herd is gone and not coming back so why worry about the fence? Surrender? That's your approach? Then get out of my way. What harm could it cause if I attempt to prevent more "animals" from finding their way out the gate? I am attempting to change what you have clearly stated is acceptable and inevitable. Status quo is fine by you. And again, you fall back to the "the other guy did it" approach. So, when a republican gets in the office, in 2016 as I suspect, will you happily let him/her continue to use those same behaviors and expand them as you are content to allow the guy YOU PUT THERE is doing today? I think you will slither away and never stand to answer that question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) There's no more animals. Understand that. I'm not in your way. I'm arguing with you on the interwebz. That's not stopping you from protesting, writing letters, going to rally's or any other form of actually doing something about it. It's laughable that you find me in your way. If griping to the mostly right wing crowd here is the best protest that you can come up, that's really sad. Way to be an internet warrior, Eagle scout! Edit: I forget to answer your question. When? You mean if. There's your answer. Edited January 5, 2014 by Langston Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Former FBI agent and current Republican congressman Mike Rogers says Ed Snowdenis a spy http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140120/14462625932/rep-mike-rogers-keeps-insisting-snowden-is-russian-spy-even-as-nsafbi-officials-say-no-such-evidence.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_spaniard Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 There are approximately 3+ million HS graduates every year in the U.S. The current size of the U.S. Military is about 1.5 million. It would cost a fortune if you were to quadruple/quintuple the size of the military, and for doing what? You say they'd earn money for college or technical training, but unless they're out there doing something other than running PT drills, I see little to be gained. Forgot about this thread. The point is I think everyone could benefit from a stint in the military, however it is accomplished. I would hope most of our current military would be doing more than running PT drills. Notwithstanding there are HS graduates (and I'll include drop-outs, too) out there who you'd prefer to keep away from the automatic weapons. I would agree with that, and also agree that we have plenty in the military now. Hell there are 53 gangs represented in the US military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) Ironically, there is a movement to have Edward Snowden awarded a Nobel Prize for his revelations. Snowden Nominated For Nobel Prize By Norwegian Politicians STAVANGER, Norway (AP) — Two Norwegian politicians have jointly nominated former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden for the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize, saying his disclosures of secret U.S. documents have contributed to making the world more peaceful. Anyone can be nominated for the prestigious award, so the submission Wednesday by Socialist lawmakers Baard Vegard Solhjell, a former environment minister, and Snorre Valen just means Snowden will be one of scores of names that the Nobel committee will consider. "We do not necessarily condone or support all of his disclosures," the two lawmakers said in their nomination letter. "We are, however, convinced that the public debate and changes in policy that have followed in the wake of Snowden's whistleblowing has contributed to a more stable and peaceful world order." The five-member Nobel committee won't confirm who's been nominated. Saturday is the deadline for nominations from a range of people, including members of national parliaments and governments, university professors or previous laureates. Valen agreed that the documents leaked by Snowden "have damaged the security interests of several nations." "But to have the debate, you have to be aware of what is going on," he told The Associated Press. It's just too hilarious to think of Obama's prize for the POTENTIAL his election represented juxtaposed against Edward Snowden being awarded the same prize for revealing the police state and it's infringements on citizens of the United States and their fourth amendment constitutional rights to privacy... Clearly one of the two was awarded for action and the other for the "promise" of effective action......a popularity award....."Favorite Soap Opera Actor".....IMHO. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[ Edited January 29, 2014 by FiredMotorCompany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Hell there are 53 gangs represented in the US military. How many different gangs are represented at CAP / Chicago Assembly Plant ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 How many different gangs are represented at CAP / Chicago Assembly Plant ? Yeah, and I get Fired on my ass because of swearing, because Ford customers might read this. Way to go Cal50, throw your own company under the bus in front of customers. Go tell them all the all the gangs that work at Chicago assembly, home to some of our best vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yeah, and I get Fired on my ass because of swearing, because Ford customers might read this. Way to go Cal50, throw your own company under the bus in front of customers. Go tell them all the all the gangs that work at Chicago assembly, home to some of our best vehicles. So the truth is bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 So the truth is bad? You are really that stupid aren't you? Hey, it's not my plant, although it uses product from the plant i'm at so i'd like it to make vehicles, but if your okay telling the world that CAP, the home of the Explorer, MKZ and Taurus has a gang problem then by all means. Way for you and dumb ass to make politic points by dogging your own job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 http://benswann.com/media-blacks-out-new-snowden-interview-the-government-doesnt-want-you-to-see/ This past Sunday evening former NSA contractor Edward Snowden sat down for an interview with German television network ARD. The interview has been intentionally blocked from the US public, with virtually no major broadcast news outlets covering this story. In addition, the video has been taken down almost immediately every time it’s posted on YouTube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RangerM Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Forgot about this thread. The point is I think everyone could benefit from a stint in the military, however it is accomplished. I would hope most of our current military would be doing more than running PT drills. No doubt that many could benefit from military-style self-discipline, but I'm not sure that a domestic military stint is where we'd want to go. That contains whiffs of brown-shirts. (I'm honestly not trying to inject any hyperbole here) I don't think everyone could would benefit from a stint in the military. And for those who might benefit, it could be detrimental to the military as the potential "recruits" simply aren't the quality necessary. In short, you could wind up bringing the military down, not the newly-inducted up. It also only treats the symptom, and not the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 No doubt that many could benefit from military-style self-discipline, but I'm not sure that a domestic military stint is where we'd want to go. That contains whiffs of brown-shirts. (I'm honestly not trying to inject any hyperbole here) I don't think everyone could would benefit from a stint in the military. And for those who might benefit, it could be detrimental to the military as the potential "recruits" simply aren't the quality necessary. In short, you could wind up bringing the military down, not the newly-inducted up. It also only treats the symptom, and not the source. The "recruits" not capable of bringing the "military up" as you said, would be perfectly adept at filling "Leadership" positions, or history has suggested that's the typical promotion policy. "Promote to their level of incompetence". The Peter Principle is the principle that "in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to their level of incompetence". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Langston Hughes Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 So, did Dr. Paul actually say this or is this wrongheaded quote merely attributed to him? Because a quick check of the US Code reveals that the quote is wrong. 18 U.S. Code Chapter 37 - ESPIONAGE AND CENSORSHIP Part I › Chapter 37 › § 798 18 U.S. Code § 798 - Disclosure of classified information (a) Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information— (3) concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government; or Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. (b) As used in subsection (a) of this section— The term “communication intelligence” means all procedures and methods used in the interception of communications and the obtaining of information from such communications by other than the intended recipients; The term “unauthorized person” means any person who, or agency which, is not authorized to receive information of the categories set forth in subsection (a) of this section, by the President, or by the head of a department or agency of the United States Government which is expressly designated by the President to engage in communication intelligence activities for the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All-Or-Nothing Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Send in a Sniper to get rid of this guy already...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 So, did Dr. Paul actually say this or is this wrongheaded quote merely attributed to him? Because a quick check of the US Code reveals that the quote is wrong. What do you consider wrong? How did it affect the safety of the US? How did it benefit a foreign government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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