NickF1011 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I don't believe so. It's possible that a vocal minority within the right has become so shrill that it drowns out the moderates but when even the supposed fiscal only Tea Party abandons libertarian thinking to pursue religious homogeneity in America it's not to broad of a brush. Even most conservatives believe in evolution. And yes, that vocal minority has become very vocal on some issues, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Even most conservatives believe in evolution. And yes, that vocal minority has become very vocal on some issues, unfortunately. Yup. The religious freedom to be an ignoramus. The end result is not good, as we see the results: Global Rankings Study Depicts an America in Warp Speed Decline From access to healthcare and education, gender equality, attitudes toward immigrants and minorities, the U.S. looks like a second-rate nation. While the U.S. enjoys the second highest per capita GDP of $45,336, it ranks in an underperforming 16th place overall. It gets worse. The U.S. ranks 70th in health, 69th in ecosystem sustainability, 39th in basic education, 34th in access to water and sanitation and 31st in personal safety. More surprising is the fact that despite being the home country of global tech heavyweights Microsoft, Cisco, IBM, Oracle, and so on, the U.S. ranks a disappointing 23rd in access to the Internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Yup. The religious freedom to be an ignoramus. The end result is not good, as we see the results: Global Rankings Study Depicts an America in Warp Speed Decline From access to healthcare and education, gender equality, attitudes toward immigrants and minorities, the U.S. looks like a second-rate nation. While the U.S. enjoys the second highest per capita GDP of $45,336, it ranks in an underperforming 16th place overall. It gets worse. The U.S. ranks 70th in health, 69th in ecosystem sustainability, 39th in basic education, 34th in access to water and sanitation and 31st in personal safety. More surprising is the fact that despite being the home country of global tech heavyweights Microsoft, Cisco, IBM, Oracle, and so on, the U.S. ranks a disappointing 23rd in access to the Internet. Eh, while some of that is systemic, some of it is also geographic, particularly that last one. We have a big country to wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Yup. The religious freedom to be an ignoramus. The end result is not good, as we see the results: Global Rankings Study Depicts an America in Warp Speed Decline From access to healthcare and education, gender equality, attitudes toward immigrants and minorities, the U.S. looks like a second-rate nation. While the U.S. enjoys the second highest per capita GDP of $45,336, it ranks in an underperforming 16th place overall. It gets worse. The U.S. ranks 70th in health, 69th in ecosystem sustainability, 39th in basic education, 34th in access to water and sanitation and 31st in personal safety. More surprising is the fact that despite being the home country of global tech heavyweights Microsoft, Cisco, IBM, Oracle, and so on, the U.S. ranks a disappointing 23rd in access to the Internet. Where do we rank on eating Twinkies.....you probably keep consumption up in Canada...let us know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Even most conservatives believe in evolution. And yes, that vocal minority has become very vocal on some issues, unfortunately. The problem is that they are winning primaries and elections in the states and federal house. Add in the tiny amount of religious and moderate Democrats and along comes non-answers to our school issues; teaching judeo-christian creation as a scientific theory along with prayer in school. This is why there is an issue with Common Core, because it doesn't allow for those types to alter teaching to fit religious belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) The problem is that they are winning primaries and elections in the states and federal house. Add in the tiny amount of religious and moderate Democrats and along comes non-answers to our school issues; teaching judeo-christian creation as a scientific theory along with prayer in school. This is why there is an issue with Common Core, because it doesn't allow for those types to alter teaching to fit religious belief. Eh, I'm not too worried about them winning elections to some extent, as they will still be the minority representation with very little of their religious agendas having any prayer (ha, get it?) of becoming law. What has become law has thankfully most often been overturned by the courts. As for the problems with Common Core, well, I think it goes waaaaaay beyond your theory. I'm not a fan of Common Core either and you are more than familiar with my stance on religion. It's the tough spot for many who are conservative: do you vote for someone you disagree with on some issues in order to support a larger agenda? I mostly vote for conservative candidates because I feel the larger issue of reigning in government spending and limiting power of government outweighs my opposition to their social/religious agendas. I don't particularly like it, but it's usually my only choice. Edited April 8, 2014 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 This is why there is an issue with Common Core, because it doesn't allow for those types to alter teaching to fit religious belief. The issue with Common Core is its "one-size-fits-all" methodology. Kids are not automatons, and don't learn (and shouldn't be taught) the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goinbroke2 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Eh, while some of that is systemic, some of it is also geographic, particularly that last one. We have a big country to wire. Um...Canada is bigger and we were 3rd for a while, don't know where we are now. That's not a good excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share Posted April 9, 2014 The issue with Common Core is its "one-size-fits-all" methodology. Kids are not automatons, and don't learn (and shouldn't be taught) the same way. Your issue might be that, but I've already noted on that thread how there are many others who are worried about social aspects of CC and a bit of a rift between business conservatives and those social conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) Um...Canada is bigger and we were 3rd for a while, don't know where we are now. That's not a good excuse. Um...much of that land is not developed or inhabited. High speed internet service in urban areas in the US is just fine compared to most of the world too. The problem is that the US has such a large rural population compared to most developed countries. Edited April 9, 2014 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 ...a rift between business conservatives and those social conservatives. Since I'm a conservative, and I'm not concerned with any "rift", you shouldn't be, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Since I'm a conservative, and I'm not concerned with any "rift", you shouldn't be, either. That rift is the biggest reason many conservatives can't get elected. If they are fiscally conservative but are pro-choice, the far right won't vote for them. If they are pro-life, anti-gay marriage, but still fiscally conservative, the moderate right often won't vote for them. Democrats don't seem to have that current divide in what their platform represents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 That rift is the biggest reason many conservatives can't get elected. If they are fiscally conservative but are pro-choice, the far right won't vote for them. If they are pro-life, anti-gay marriage, but still fiscally conservative, the moderate right often won't vote for them. Democrats don't seem to have that current divide in what their platform represents. According to Gallup, Americans are pro-life...48% to 45%.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted April 10, 2014 Author Share Posted April 10, 2014 Since I'm a conservative, and I'm not concerned with any "rift", you shouldn't be, either. I'm concerned because our current batch of state reps and senators have a few of these anti-science types among them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 That rift is the biggest reason many conservatives can't get elected. If they are fiscally conservative but are pro-choice, the far right won't vote for them. If they are pro-life, anti-gay marriage, but still fiscally conservative, the moderate right often won't vote for them. Democrats don't seem to have that current divide in what their platform represents. Like so many other things in life, including cars, there are always positives and negatives we must weight when we make our decision. I'd say the biggest reason for the Dems' unity is many don't have a clue what their "platform" is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) According to Gallup, Americans are pro-life...48% to 45%.... Not really sure what has to do with anything except that many conservatives continue to alienate potential supporters with some of their social/religious positions. After all, unless every single Democrat identifies himself/herself as pro-choice (they don't), that means there are a sizable number of conservatives who identify themselves that way too. And if you're going to reference Gallup, reference the entire story: while 48% identify themselves as pro-life, only 20% want abortion to be completely banned. Edited April 10, 2014 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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