pmooret Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2015/11/18/uaw-ford-local/75991308/ Some workers have expressed concern over the deals eight-year progression for workers to earn a top wage; they believe it should be shorter. Theres also been anger over a lower wage scale for parts workers, a $1,500 advance on profit sharing and the companys use of temporary workers. If they would just do the math they would realize that tier 2 workers only make up 20% of the vote so apparently the 80% group of legacy workers turned down this contract. This agreement catered to the tier 2 workers and threw legacy workers under the bus. A three percent raise will not get a yes vote from legacy workers, 80% of the vote. How about a raise in the LIB for our retirement? How about reinstating the structure of the COLA so that we can keep up with inflation? How about we go back to a three year agreement so that the company can't use the excuse that they can't sustain raises, etc, if the economy falters? How about sticking your signing bone us where the sun don't shine and pattern/structure our contract after the old contracts? How about some break time back? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmooret Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) "The union leaders said they’re optimistic union members will vote to ratify the deal, as long as they’re well-informed. They blamed social media and a lack of information on the anger that’s driving “no” votes. And they warned that workers may not get a better deal if this one is voted down." I'd also like to see a muzzle put on Williams and Settles. It is really embarrassing when they continually insult our intelligence implying that we are not well informed and do not comprehend the proposal. Put a muzzle on this dude too. "This agreement provides economic gains for all our members,” Ricke said. “I’m confident our membership, when informed properly and when they get the facts, will support this agreement.” They're the ones who INFORMED us. Both of these guys are publicly demeaning our membership. Edited November 18, 2015 by pmooret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 In IUAW'S defense a lot of the information on the social media sites are wrong, some information is good but you have to weave in & out of the bullshit post to find it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 In IUAW'S defense a lot of the information on the social media sites are wrong, some information is good but you have to weave in & out of the bullshit post to find it.90% of the people who use social media aren't going to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 "The union leaders said theyre optimistic union members will vote to ratify the deal, as long as theyre well-informed. They blamed social media and a lack of information on the anger thats driving no votes. And they warned that workers may not get a better deal if this one is voted down." I'd also like to see a muzzle put on Williams and Settles. It is really embarrassing when they continually insult our intelligence implying that we are not well informed and do not comprehend the proposal. Put a muzzle on this dude too. "This agreement provides economic gains for all our members, Ricke said. Im confident our membership, when informed properly and when they get the facts, will support this agreement. They're the ones who INFORMED us. Both of these guys are publicly demeaning our membership. They are trying to prevent the media from blasting the UAW. Sorry pal but the no votes make us look like greedy overpaid selfish dicks. We will not get a better contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Unless you consider cola returning and MAP getting no new product to replace the focus a good contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Unless you consider cola returning and MAP getting no new product to replace the focus a good contract. To get everything back they will make cuts. Just facts people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanstanding Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2015/11/18/uaw-ford-local/75991308/ Some workers have expressed concern over the deals eight-year progression for workers to earn a top wage; they believe it should be shorter. Theres also been anger over a lower wage scale for parts workers, a $1,500 advance on profit sharing and the companys use of temporary workers. If they would just do the math they would realize that tier 2 workers only make up 20% of the vote so apparently the 80% group of legacy workers turned down this contract. This agreement catered to the tier 2 workers and threw legacy workers under the bus. A three percent raise will not get a yes vote from legacy workers, 80% of the vote. How about a raise in the LIB for our retirement? How about reinstating the structure of the COLA so that we can keep up with inflation? How about we go back to a three year agreement so that the company can't use the excuse that they can't sustain raises, etc, if the economy falters? How about sticking your signing bone us where the sun don't shine and pattern/structure our contract after the old contracts? How about some break time back? Thanks.............. I have been preaching about the Life Income Benefit for a LONG TIME........... We gave up so much, and many of us are standing at the door during this contract to retire. All the monies that we have given to the company, to save above water, during that time will be for nothing if we don't get SOMETHING back if we retire during this contract. You are so right when you say a 3% raise will not get a yes vote........... If $4 - $6 was added to LIB it would have a better chance.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Thanks.............. I have been preaching about the Life Income Benefit for a LONG TIME........... We gave up so much, and many of us are standing at the door during this contract to retire. All the monies that we have given to the company, to save above water, during that time will be for nothing if we don't get SOMETHING back if we retire during this contract. You are so right when you say a 3% raise will not get a yes vote........... If $4 - $6 was added to LIB it would have a better chance.......... And they will make cuts somewhere so if you're good with that then good for you I'm not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Cuts will take place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Cuts will take place Too blind to see it, sad. They just want it all back & don't care about the outcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotcarl Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Too blind to see it, sad. They just want it all back & don't care about the outcome that's just stupid and fearmongering. How do they think a worse contract will ever pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotcarl Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2015/11/18/uaw-ford-local/75991308/Some workers have expressed concern over the deals eight-year progression for workers to earn a top wage; they believe it should be shorter. Theres also been anger over a lower wage scale for parts workers, a $1,500 advance on profit sharing and the companys use of temporary workers.If they would just do the math they would realize that tier 2 workers only make up 20% of the vote so apparently the 80% group of legacy workers turned down this contract.This agreement catered to the tier 2 workers and threw legacy workers under the bus. A three percent raise will not get a yes vote from legacy workers, 80% of the vote. How about a raise in the LIB for our retirement? How about reinstating the structure of the COLA so that we can keep up with inflation? How about we go back to a three year agreement so that the company can't use the excuse that they can't sustain raises, etc, if the economy falters? How about sticking your signing bone us where the sun don't shine and pattern/structure our contract after the old contracts? How about some break time back? Two tier is more like 29%. New or insourced word does not could toward the 20% threshold. Does it occur to you that many of the legacy employees think that 8 years is too long to get to full pay and are standing up against what they see as unjust like I do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressmen Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 All you no voters don't care if ford invest money in this country they will take a good portion of their 9 billion and head south of the border good f****** job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotcarl Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 If Ford wasn't interested in investing in the US then they wouldn't be. They are making most of their profit off of US plants. Why would they want to risk that? Another $1billion or so aded to this 4 year deal isn't going to change the mind of a company who has made $43 billion in the last five or 6 years here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 If Ford wasn't interested in investing in the US then they wouldn't be. They are making most of their profit off of US plants. Why would they want to risk that? Another $1billion or so aded to this 4 year deal isn't going to change the mind of a company who has made $43 billion in the last five or 6 years here. They can invest in Mexico and make an even bigger profit in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotcarl Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 They can invest in Mexico and make an even bigger profit in the US.Then why don't they go ahead and do that? We can't compete with cheap Mexican labor and little or no environmental standards. IMO they don't want to risk the political fallout and the fact that transplant foreign automakers will be more American than them. Why do you think that they brought some Fusion production up here? Why not just expand it in Mexico a couple of years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Then why don't they go ahead and do that? We can't compete with cheap Mexican labor and little or no environmental standards. IMO they don't want to risk the political fallout and the fact that transplant foreign automakers will be more American than them. Why do you think that they brought some Fusion production up here? Why not just expand it in Mexico a couple of years ago? There will not be a political fallout. They have an out now that we voted the contract down. All they have to say is the UAW is putting us at a disadvantage. We tried to give them a good contract and they didn't take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 http://www.pilotonline.com/news/norfolk-s-ford-plant-to-be-closed/article_9bcf0119-828e-56c0-850e-41d971a2cbca.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotcarl Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 There are still some very patriotic and loyal people who will not buy foreign made or foreign branded vehicles. Ford is making record profits and will continue to even if they have to sweeten the pot. Why risk that by moving everything to mexico? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressmen Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Yeah you tell it like it is littlecountry. If they got to pay employees when there going to take it out of investment in U.S. PLANTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressmen Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Moving product to Mexico doesn't hurt car sales look at the Fiesta fusion and now the focus is going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 http://finance.yahoo.com/video/fords-escape-gets-facelift-123800025.html?.tsrc=applewf Pot will not be sweetened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Moving product to Mexico doesn't hurt car sales look at the Fiesta fusion and now the focus is going But it cost jobs in the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 There are still some very patriotic and loyal people who will not buy foreign made or foreign branded vehicles. Ford is making record profits and will continue to even if they have to sweeten the pot. Why risk that by moving everything to mexico? People don't care where stuff is built! If the f150 was built in Mexico it would still be #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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