2023 Contract

[TIGER66]

When I hired in 30 years ago auto jobs were like hitting the lotto. Great Benifits, great money, great quality of life. Trucks back then were prices at 30k plus if that high. Fast forward 30 years of giving up Benifits and pay, trucks are now around 90k (superduty) and our quality of living is worse than all those years ago. It’s time! A strike is bad for all involved and I 100% hope it doesn’t happen. I think this new President has got the newbies hyped up on expectations and there going to be disappointed. All that said, good luck everybody.

[DavzinSoCal]

Agreed! It’s time! When I hired in “1988” our contracts were 3 years and we received 3% raises Every Year which equaled 9% then they changed em to 4 year contracts with 3% raises every other year which equals only 6%!!! Also COLA would roll over into our base pay and since we voluntarily gave that up to avoid bankruptcy that should have been given back without a fight! Even if we received cola, $600 Christmas bonus etc etc those wouldn’t even be gains because we already had em before! We are now trying to make up for all we’ve lost over the years while seeing the company record profits every quarter!!!

Edited September 15, 2023 by DavzinSoCal

[Len_A]

On 9/14/2023 at 7:25 PM, DavzinSoCal said:

Agreed! It’s time! When I hired in “1988” our contracts were 3 years and we received 3% raises Every Year which equaled 9% then they changed em to 4 year contracts with 3% raises every other year which equals only 6%!!! Also COLA would roll over into our base pay and since we voluntarily gave that up to avoid bankruptcy that should have been given back without a fight! Even if we received cola, $600 Christmas bonus etc etc those wouldn’t even be gains because we already had em before! We are now trying to make up for all we’ve lost over the years while seeing the company record profits every quarter!!!

 

On 9/3/2023 at 6:54 PM, TIGER66 said:

When I hired in 30 years ago auto jobs were like hitting the lotto. Great Benifits, great money, great quality of life. Trucks back then were prices at 30k plus if that high. Fast forward 30 years of giving up Benifits and pay, trucks are now around 90k (superduty) and our quality of living is worse than all those years ago. It’s time! A strike is bad for all involved and I 100% hope it doesn’t happen. I think this new President has got the newbies hyped up on expectations and there going to be disappointed. All that said, good luck everybody.

And you have to accept, and I mean you have to accept, that the Detroit Three aren't the Big Three anymore, and combined, their market share, especially considering that three three auto makers only sell 42%. I, for one, now own my last union built car. My ex-salaried Ford manager brother, owns a Volvo, as does one of his best friends. We're done. Yes, you gave up a lot. Tough. It's now a major part of the business model, the Detroit Three lost market share, y'all make more than any of the transplants, or Tesla, that's life, f***ing get over it. And I am vehemently prounion. Just about every nonmanufacturing union worker - health, education, etc - are aghast at Shawn Fain's conduct, riling up the rank-and-file, and making demands that many nonmanufacturing union employee think are ridiculous. And now, Fain and his merry band of idiiots, are riling up the union haters. Way to go. I know of two unionized HVAC contractors, who cancelled F-150 and Silverado orders, and are getting Toyota and Nissan trucks instead. They are that pissed off.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Len_A

[imdevo]

On 9/15/2023 at 6:06 AM, Len_A said:

 

And you have to accept, and I mean you have to accept, that the Detroit Three aren't the Big Three anymore, and combined, their market share, especially considering that three three auto makers only sell 42%. I, for one, now own my last union built car. My ex-salaried Ford manager brother, owns a Volvo, as does one of his best friends. We're done. Yes, you gave up a lot. Tough. It's now a major part of the business model, the Detroit Three lost market share, y'all make more than any of the transplants, or Tesla, that's life, f***ing get over it. And I am vehemently prounion. Just about every nonmanufacturing union worker - health, education, etc - are aghast at Shawn Fain's conduct, riling up the rank-and-file, and making demands that many nonmanufacturing union employee think are ridiculous. And now, Fain and his merry band of idiiots, are riling up the union haters. Way to go. I know of two unionized HVAC contractors, who cancelled F-150 and Silverado orders, and are getting Toyota and Nissan trucks instead. They are that pissed off.

Overall, I've caculated my income increase has been about 30 cents/hour per year for 30 years {about $9 over 30 yrs}. Would the white-collar workers be OK with that raise?  Would it be unreasonable to ask for a lump sum payment for COLA starting around 2010 (or when Ford became profitable again) up to 2023? Is it unreasnable to ask for a better PENSION formula for retirees? "Market Share" doesn't seem to be a factor as PROFITS have increased substantiallly for the "BIG 3".  One should question how is it OK when a CEO earns an income in 1 DAY that I earn in 1 YEAR? Let's be competetive and have our execitives earn the same as those at Toyota & Nissan: Good for Japan I suppose, those HVAC workers are helping their economy. We do the work, companies reap the benefits, I'm just looking for a more FAIR trade of my labor for companies' profits.

[paintguy]

On 9/27/2023 at 2:10 AM, imdevo said:

Overall, I've caculated my income increase has been about 30 cents/hour per year for 30 years {about $9 over 30 yrs}. Would the white-collar workers be OK with that raise?  Would it be unreasonable to ask for a lump sum payment for COLA starting around 2010 (or when Ford became profitable again) up to 2023? Is it unreasnable to ask for a better PENSION formula for retirees? "Market Share" doesn't seem to be a factor as PROFITS have increased substantiallly for the "BIG 3".  One should question how is it OK when a CEO earns an income in 1 DAY that I earn in 1 YEAR? Let's be competetive and have our execitives earn the same as those at Toyota & Nissan: Good for Japan I suppose, those HVAC workers are helping their economy. We do the work, companies reap the benefits, I'm just looking for a more FAIR trade of my labor for companies' profits.

Actually, some salary employees would be good with it, if their Health care was handled the same as the UAW. Premiums increased substantially in the last 25 years. Formula for pensions has not changed for salary in many years. Along with loss of retiree health care, replaced by a lump sum. Newer salary employees (after 2003?) have only 401K. Profit margin remains low at about 5%. Most industries that would be unacceptable and merit a divestiture of that business. US auto manufacturers hire "C" type people from the US executive market. Other CEOs in other industries receive that much and more. One I was shocked at was compensation of  $182 million for Hertz CEO. Not long ago Hertz was a minor part of Ford.

Edited September 29, 2023 by paintguy
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[Len_A]

On 9/27/2023 at 3:10 AM, imdevo said:

Overall, I've caculated my income increase has been about 30 cents/hour per year for 30 years {about $9 over 30 yrs}. Would the white-collar workers be OK with that raise?  Would it be unreasonable to ask for a lump sum payment for COLA starting around 2010 (or when Ford became profitable again) up to 2023? Is it unreasnable to ask for a better PENSION formula for retirees? "Market Share" doesn't seem to be a factor as PROFITS have increased substantiallly for the "BIG 3".  One should question how is it OK when a CEO earns an income in 1 DAY that I earn in 1 YEAR? Let's be competetive and have our execitives earn the same as those at Toyota & Nissan: Good for Japan I suppose, those HVAC workers are helping their economy. We do the work, companies reap the benefits, I'm just looking for a more FAIR trade of my labor for companies' profits.

Asian company's CEO's income isn't reported to the same standards as USA CEO's. Japanese CEO's compensation always includes private school and college tuition for their kids, multiple homes bought for and given to the CEO's, sedan service to and from work, private jet use for personal use. All adds up, but isn't reported like it would have to be here. You failed to mention that, after decades of not making as much as North American CEO's, that European CEO's not match or exceed their American CEO counterpart's income. And to answer the rest of your post, Tier One and Tier Two supplier employee make way less than Big Three. 

[paintguy]

10 hours ago, Len_A said:

Asian company's CEO's income isn't reported to the same standards as USA CEO's. Japanese CEO's compensation always includes private school and college tuition for their kids, multiple homes bought for and given to the CEO's, sedan service to and from work, private jet use for personal use. All adds up, but isn't reported like it would have to be here. You failed to mention that, after decades of not making as much as North American CEO's, that European CEO's not match or exceed their American CEO counterpart's income. And to answer the rest of your post, Tier One and Tier Two supplier employee make way less than Big Three. 

Worked for a UK based company early in my career. The American CEO made as much or more than the UK CEO of the whole organization. They provided a chauffeured limousine for the CEO. Not common in other companies. Visiting bosses from the UK often complained of taxes and much preferred perks to raises. Reporting standards for value of perks are far different as well. Or my favorite overseas exec perk story a Belgian plant manager pleased as could be with a new Ford Escort as his company car perk. Roads there so narrow, F150 would not fit.

[Len_A]

1 hour ago, paintguy said:

Worked for a UK based company early in my career. The American CEO made as much or more than the UK CEO of the whole organization. They provided a chauffeured limousine for the CEO. Not common in other companies. Visiting bosses from the UK often complained of taxes and much preferred perks to raises. Reporting standards for value of perks are far different as well. Or my favorite overseas exec perk story a Belgian plant manager pleased as could be with a new Ford Escort as his company car perk. Roads there so narrow, F150 would not fit.

I have worked for the American subsidiaries of two Germán companies and one Swedish company. It's very different, compared to here. Very different.