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Remember these are government contract vehicles. All stripped and basic, going from Explorer to the Tahoe, was a $8K savings. BOF is cheaper to build, so no surprise there. Explorer only came at first with the 3.0L TT V6, I don't believe for police duty the 2.3L is/was available.

My city in central FL in the past 20 years, went from Impala, to FWD Explorers, to current RWD Explorers, to Tahoes. When the current generation Explorer's came out, they ordered a bunch with the 3.0L V6 TT, and they loved it. They have had no issues with it, but have switched to the Tahoes because they are substantially cheaper than the Explorer. (I've read the contracts). After Covid, it was easier and more available to purchase Tahoes, than Explorers. The decision is really based on 3 mechanics they have on staff, what THEY want, and then recommend to their boss, who recommends to the Chief, and then voted on by the commission as a consent agenda (meaning barely any conversation will take place-housekeeping we call it). They also have some unmarked F150s with the 3.5L EB, they have had no issues with those, and 2 of them are past their "prime". (this dept gets rid of them when they hit 100K) and still going strong with 150K+ miles on them. They also purchased 3 hybrid Mavericks for code enforcement. So I'm curious how those will weather.

I saw that same pattern long ago with the Ford Freestar long ago, "we aren't competitive, let's say it's a dying market" and exit. Meanwhile, Oddity, Sienna, Caravan still soldiered on and Kia/Hyundai entered the market...

Nope I haven't, other than maybe seeing it online... Remember the Panther Mafia, that's the passion I want to see LOL

You have a point there, it's been awhile, maybe years since I've heard someone get excited and say "OH I really aspire to purchase that vehicle"...seems everyone I know just "picks" a vehicle, because they have to, none of them have been passionate over it.

What? Ford letting a product rot on the vine? Nah....How can you say that... (former LS owner)...🙄

Yes that's the one I read about, you are correct....

I know someone who just bought a RAV4, and I went around the vehicle pointing out my dislikes. Doors shut with a tinny sound, headliner was a joke. Door seals could be better...You need the help of Hellen Keller to feel around for buttons at night because barely anything is lite up. Cheap plastics abound. After I was done he's like "Wow, you really made me feel like I bought a POS". I'm like "No I just want to understand with so many options out there, you went with this"....His prior vehicle was an '17 Edge, with 120K miles, only one minor issue in all those year (TPS)

Wasn't that 3.3L Hybrid engine Ford's most problematic engine in recent years? I believe in reliability scores that the same engine dragged down the F150?

Thursday, January 29, 2004 Ford loves its big, V-8 cash cows By Earle Eldridge / USA TODAY "But Ford earns $7,000 to $10,000 on each Crown Vic and Grand Marquis, which sell for about $23,000, according to estimates from Wall Street analysts. Not bad for a car that hasn't had a substantial redesign in over a decade. Ford officials won't disclose earnings for the models but acknowledge they are very profitable." I remember this article from 20 years ago, the cash cow was rolling money for Ford and if it wasn't for the fuel tank positioning, Ford would have kept it going a bit longer.

I have a few friends, whose kids grew up with me, I'm the adopted uncle. And only one wants kids. Most of them cited they didn't have the patience, nor see the benefit of it, one said she didn't live in the Hallmark channel, and all those fantasies that what makes a perfect life with kids, was BS (she's my favorite), then I have the other one (who her father came out of the closet) she doesn't want the kids to introduce kids into this nasty atmosphere. One kid, his mother and I had to bully him to drive, because he didn't want to... I'm like "Your mother and I were born and raised in Miami, you need to learn to drive mthfkr! You're living in SUburbs, don't be a lil B"... he did...ironically in his household, he prefers the Fusion over the Edges...

When the stock prices start dropping, then watch them share more info...

If that's the case, then let's bring back the PROBE !!! 😛

To add, supposedly Toyota is talking about bringing the Celica back, and somehow I believe Honda followed suit with saying they might bring the Prelude back. If I remember correctly (since my friends in HS had these vehicles), the reason they bombed in the 90s, was mainly the price. A Celica and Prelude back then could hit 25-28K, whereas a Mustang GT could be had for even less. Now here we are 30 years later in a declining segment of vehicles, and they still think they can pull it off...If that's the case, bring out the Probe?

Mustang Mach-E sold more than regular Mustang...I guess the name,or the fact it's crossover looking, or not a "real Mustang" (as some claimted it), hasn't hurt it any...

My city went from Explorer's to Tahoes.. mainly because of price...Tahoes were about the same as an Explorers and easier to work on for the apparatus they have to had install in them. And be able to jump a curb easily if need be. The only thing they enjoyed about the Explorer's were the 3.0L engines power.

I'm amused at the Nautilus sales... It's not Lincoln's entry model, but rather the one above it, made in China, that's the best seller this year. Guess many do not care or know it's made in China... the irony...

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In other publications, other reviewers have stated the 2.3L in the Explorer is more than what most people will need. I'm sure it's still faster and more responsive than what the Jeep has to offer...

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Funny story, Picture it, 1995 Miami, first job. Owners mother comes in shows off her Lexus Es300...She hated it. She looks out the window in front of the business"OH I wish I could buy that" (it was my mothers 94 740iL-it was blocking my car in the garage so took hers) and I'm like, yeah it's my mothers, you can afford that, you own the franchise owner and own a few stores "why didn't you?" she like "I can't I'm Jewish" I'm like "Ok so splurge a little"...shes like "NO Anthony you don't get it, I'm Jewish, I can't own a German vehicle"... I'm like "hm didn't know that was a concern".... A week later she shows up with a new Ford Explorer...She was sssoooo happy...she shows it off and guess what I said "Hmm I thought you couldn't own a German vehicle"...she's says "Hmm this is a Ford" I tell her "look at your Monroney sticker, Your engine was made in Cologe Germany, as well as your transmission!"... She was not happy...surprised she didn't fire me, oh she hated me, but I was the best employee they had LOL Maybe it takes a generation but honestly after awhile, people stop caring...Look where Hyundai is today, after hearing in the 80s/90s "OH I will never"....Bad credit and cheap prices are sometimes way of converting LOL

I wonder why they (the author of the article) suggested the 2.7L for the "Hot rod" Nautilus and Zephyr when the 3.0L is at play. IMO the only thing wrong with the current Nautilus (other than the touchy brakes you get accustomed to) is it really needs an extra 50HP... All this sounds great but as JPD80 says, gotta attract more buyers to the brand.

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Lincoln Nautilus is in the finalists round... MotorTrend.com

Especially when the competition is right around the corner... Autoblog