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Did I ever say that? The only point I was addressing is that they aren't as clean as they are made out to be because people aren't using them properly, so at that point what is actually the point of it? Manufactures are building P/HEVs because they need to make CO2 requirements due to government, but customers are not using them properly to get that benefit and what it defaults to isn't a major improvement over ICE in the same product.
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The issue is that laboratory testing needs to be done at a fixed constant, which why there is a difference. EPA Vs. WLTP EV Range Ratings: Here’s Why They’re Different Not to mention that EPA Fuel Economy tests are off themselves, I can get almost 20 MPG with my Bronco without trying with local driving, which is bit better then the city rating for it. On the high way I'm lucky to get 20 MPG, because its a brick LOL What it boils down to is EPA Fuel Economy/range and WLTP ratings are a baseline, not a guarantee
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Looking at the source article, ICE had about 20% variance from laboratory testing (which was expected by them), but PHEVs where significantly worse then their testing, which was deducted down to them not being plugged in all the time. What it ultimately boils down to is that PHEVs don't really offer a huge improvement in CO2 emissions unless they are plugged in all the time, which was the primary reason why they are being implemented. Then add in the fact that larger vehicle hybrids offer almost no improvement over a smaller gas engine (ie F-150) in CO2 emissions either
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Ford Q1/March 2024 Sales Results
silvrsvt replied to rmc523's topic in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
The reason it is selling so well is that its getting subvented interest rates....even at 84 months, its 1/2 of a "good" rate from a Credit union. -
But here is the thing-the latest study didn't even factor in HEVs...only PHEVs. And using CO2 as the metric to compare to (which the article is using as a measurement), you do not see a huge improvement going to a hybrid vs fuel efficient ICE route vs PHEV. Not to mention using MPGs as a measurement sucks because as it gets higher, the less return your going to see. http://www.mpgillusion.com/p/what-is-mpg-illusion.html#:~:text=The Cause of the Illusion&text=By necessity%2C MPG has a,10%2C000 miles divided by MPG. Using the Escape as the example since it comes in 3 different flavors that applicable to this conversation Its a 1.2 metric ton difference between ICE and Hybrid and 4.42 vs PHEV using US EPA testing.
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Maybe before you shoot your mouth off, how about checking the actual source data that the article got its information from: First Commission report on real-world CO2 emissions of cars and vans using data from on-board fuel consumption monitoring devices PDF: https://climate.ec.europa.eu/document/download/b644dafe-1385-4b56-98d9-21e7e9f3601b_en?filename=report.pdf This was published about three weeks ago
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But there is the thing-there is no placating people like this...come out with more efficient vehicles and they'll find something else to bitch about Ford and GMs first priory is make their shareholders happy by building products people want to buy and large trucks are the most popular segment that can sell at a profitable margin for them.
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Tesla shares fall after deliveries drop 8.5% from a year ago
silvrsvt replied to silvrsvt's topic in E.V. Central
They are also aren't immune to the other factors at play that are hurting other companies to-like high interest rates and high pricing. The 3/Y might be "affordable" but you can get a more capable Gas or even hybrid powered CUV for less. -
I just think its gotten to the point with vehicle performance that it doesn't quite matter anymore. An Escape with the 2L Ecoboost or even an Equinox (drove my mother in laws this weekend) have a perfectly acceptable performance level to drive every day. This isn't the 1980s were it took cars minutes to drive the quarter mile lol. My Bronco has plenty of power and I don't miss the tuned 3.5L ecoboost I had my SHO the vast majority of the time.
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Tesla shares fall after deliveries drop 8.5% from a year ago
silvrsvt posted a topic in E.V. Central
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Next-Wave EV Buyers Want 350-Mile Range, 20 Minute Charging
silvrsvt replied to ice-capades's topic in E.V. Central
The vast majority of cars on the market can recharge from 0 to 80% in about 30-45 minutes, but given peoples driving habits (refilling at 1/4 of a tank or so), you wouldn't be down to zero 99% of the time anyways. Some more info different recharging rates of cars on the market now https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g46011090/fastest-slowest-ev-charging-times-tested/ Keep in mind that is fast charging and if you charging at home, the speed doesn't matter because the car is just sitting there anyways. -
Guessing its the Buick version of the Trax.