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The End of the Affair - PJ O'Rourke

A bondholder acts as a creditor to the company...much like a bank is when you take out a loan and pay interest. When you own shares in a company you are part owner of it. If a bankruptcy occurs the bondholders would be paid back first. Common Stock holders get whatever is left.

That's your problem...you don't even recall what you say...it's your brain cells that aren't connected nap. Keep supporting those that want to do away with your retirement benefits. Just don't act bewildered when you see union members past and present on here fighting for what they have earned. If you see that as a bad thing then I suggest you use your insurance for a lobotomy...it's an old procedure, but I'm sure you can find someone out there willing to put you out of your misery.

If you think that money and politics aren't directly related then you are more naive than I thought...it's pretty obvious money controls both sides of the aisle...just keep on toeing your party's line.

Don't fault those who disagree with the ignorance shown on your part nap...they (as am I) are probably wondering why you would support the very party that wants to dissolve the UAW. To put it in another manner that might turn the light bulb on in that partisan dome of yours....why would you support the political force that will ensure your pension will be turned over to the PBGC? You are intelligent enought to know that you will only receive a portion of your pension entitlement in this case right (that's if the PBGC remains solvent)? Do you want a quasi-government agency to take over your pension nap? Doesn't that go against everything your conservative "blame the liberals for big government" ass stands for? To make matters worse they PBGC does not provide health care bennies. As I see it many UAW members on this forum are very well aware of this outcome. You, on the other hand, are clueless. I'm sure in some way your twisted logic and misdirected anger will figure out a way to blame it all on Obama if this scenario plays out...wouldn't be the first time (or last).

Obama Adopted! :shrug:

Don't let the door hit ya George...

Government Bail outs... If you take a shower before you go to work, you get bailed out... If you take a shower after work, you get thrown out... Quote: President of U.S. Steel.

It's not right to post someone elses personal info on here...no matter how effed up their opinions are.

Bravo! Spoken like a true Obamican! The State of Denial is a wonderful place isn't it? :shades:

What a bunch of uninformed wingnuts...

You're a mess man... Why even read the rest of your tirade when the first sentence is flawed. Funny how soon you can forget recent history, huh nap? Get a grip. Source In your sig don't you mean the worst President since Jimmy Carter? Good god...

Excellent points on the myths of the D3. Unfortunately, there are a ton of battles going on and many forces that stand behind blocking the bailout for the D3. Here is one example: Senators Shelby and Sessions, both from Alabama, are staunchly opposing any bailout of the Big 3. Source Oh...btw...Alabama has three major auto plants owned by Mercedes, Honda and Hyundai. Divide and conquer...

Analysts at JP Morgan have already questioned whether the UAW is doing enough. Legacy costs and labor costs have already been brought up in the media. Read the rest from Rush Limpbaugh here At least Phil LeBeau on CNBC points out that the UAW has in fact already made concessions...not that that will matter I'm sure. This is a continuation of the demise of the middle class. First it was the steel industry...then the airlines...now the auto industry. Sad. Phil LeBeau on CNBC talking about UAW

Gee, thanks for the insight man...why let historical numbers get in the way of a party blinders. "there's nothing wrong with living like a Republican. But if you want to live like a Republican, vote Democratic." Harry Truman

Jan 19, 2001 Dow = 10,587 Nov 12, 2008 Dow = 8282

I'd be careful with blanket statements like that versa...you surely will generate some heated rebuttals. Don't believe everything you read regarding UAW workers being lazy and milking the system. Does it happen? Most definately. Does the media beat that point home? On a daily basis. As with any company Ford, GM and Chrysler have their share of employees who on take it upon themselves to do as little as possible. Fortunately there are many UAW workers who pick up the slack and actually do more than they are asked. The system is not perfect by any means, but don't lump in the best of the Union workers with the shitbags that abuse the system. That is a very myopic stance on your part. If you want an idea of what kind of work UAW members have done in the past look at the retirees. Many are hunched over with poor posture and suffer from severe arthritis due to performing repetitive tasks. Don't judge them til you have walked a mile in their shoes. I could go on, but you get my point.

Another thing is for sure...you haven't uncorked your head from your ass. CNBC

Get Your War On: New World Order

I think history is being made tonight my friend...John McCain is giving his concession speech. He is a stand up guy. I will always admire him for his service as a Soldier and a Senator. I have many friends who have served and have seen first hand the effect on families as well. One must wonder how many more lives would have been ruined if we "stayed the course in Iraq" for years to come. It's time we focus on our backyard...

Actually, I was referring to the Iraq war. But, since you mention it - the fact that bankruptcy laws for the individual changed while bankruptcy laws for business stayed the same was a foreshadowing of where his allegiance stood and what was to come. The Republican party is in shambles. They need to regroup and find some new blood. They have swung too far right and the last two elections speak volumes regarding their disconnect with the American people.

Ruin peoples lives...thats funny. Especially when you think of how many lives Bush ruined. Speaking of ruining lives...take a look at Fox News...bunch of whining f***ing maggots. This shit is entertaining. Especially watching Turd Blossom and that wing nut William Kristol. Screw them and their neocon agenda...they just got pissed on.

Yeah...what about Khalidi? Source

Is this all you can come up with Dale? Jeebus man...the case was thrown out!!! Get over it already... Source