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I work at the DEFTP, figured I didn't want to drive in that mess some 42 miles, took a personal day. Later in the week they pulled my personal day, gave me a K code, and disqualified me for the short work week because I worked the Sunday before? Wound up with a 32 hour check the next week! Thanks for making me scramble to pay my bills that week HR. Idiots!

There is 4 electricians at the pilot plant (Allen Park, MI) that are supose to go on ILO within the next few weeks. They haven't given us a date, they are keeping us over shutdown until we get some substation PM's and other work done. I had heard the same, that there were alot of plants short, just no recs in for them. We will keep our fingers crossed.

Well, the rumor was true, out of 8 electricians they are turning 4 of us loose. They didn't turn us loose with the rest of trades and production, which was the 12th, they are going to wait until the middle of July, after they use our services to get some sub station PM's done over shutdown. We are all at the pilot plant. Just wondering if any plants in our zone are short electricians. I would like to think that we would have some options, seeing how we were not offered a buyout, but that may just be wishful thinking. Any info would help.

Sorry, AM General. GM only owns the naming rights to the Hummer brand. They still make them in Indiana.

Two different companies. The military version is made by General Dynamics, the soccer mom version isn't.

Anybody got numbers on electricians at thier plants? There is a rumor that they want to reduce trades at our building in half, including electricians (Pilot Plant, NMPDC) Pretty sure the guys that will get an ILO will be picked up, just wondering if it is going to be in thier zone, which is 1. Any info would be helpful.

I agree that the only reason they are offering a buyout is to get 2 tier workers in, but the current contract says that only 20% will ever be 2 tier, unless they snuck it in on the last concessions that they don't have to stick to that number.

The report is 21,000 hourly jobs, Pontiac, Saturn gone. 62,000 hourly down to around 40,000. When (and if) this economy gets going again, watch how many $14-16 an hour jobs, with no pension, and pretty crappy health care too, are available. This is the biggest kick to the middle class yet. The race to the bottom is well underway. I don't know when the focus went from making a decient living for the American worker to the corperate greed we are all witnessing today, it has been that way all my working career. But what comes around goes around. When people can't afford cars anymore, that will be thier wake up call.

Amen to that Brother!

Sorry, title should have said "how many plants short".

One would like to think the reason that stationary steam operators and electricians are not being offered buyouts is due to the shortage of both trades, even though nobody has ever said. I would like to get an idea of what plants are short of both. It's obvious that our idea of what is an ideal number of either trade is doesn't mean the company feels the same. I am thinking based on my plant managers lofty expectations of just how few trades and production people he needs to sustain his numbers that I may be layed off this summer. As an electrician, I am just wondering what the situation is in other plants. Any info would be helpful.

8 electricians, some toolmakers, machine repair, 3 pipefitters, quite a few inspection people. Not many at all. We are all pretty sure that this clown just wants to push some worse case senario numbers to sell some buyouts. Not many are biting though.

Pilot Plant, NMPDC, we do the proto-type work. We are pretty sure this guy was brought in just to wrap a big chain around the building before he leaves.

My plant manager rolled out his vision for my plant, 51% reduction in manpower on the hourly side. When I asked him if the trades were included in this he said yes. I told him I wasn't given the same benefits as all the other employees to make a decision seeing how I am an electrician and I am not given the opportunity to take a buyout, but still subjected to a pernament layoff. Are electricians not offered a buyout because the company is short, or are there so many of us that they don't feel it necessary to even offer anything. Has anyone said? I wouldn't take one anyhow, even at 26 weeks SUB and having callback rights for 8 years, I am going to hang around for a long time.

Sad part is that as they are bending us over laying the high hard one to us, they will be wispering sweet nothings in our ear, telling us it had to be done because the last administration left them with such a mess.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20090329/pl_cq_...politics3087615 Hope this jogs a few peoples memories!

Are you tools so much in love with this guy that you pull out of his speeches only what you want to hear? Face it, if his task force says it, he is saying it! And we all heard him say that everybody needs to make more sacrifices. That includes bondholders, suppliers, and labor. I heard that they invited Thad McCotter to the Region 1A quarterly meeting the other day. First time they think that a republican politician has ever entered that building. You want to know what he said? Washington needs to quit coming down on the workers of the Big 3 and start looking from within to solve this mess. We are well on our way to socialism. Unless we speak up and knock off the crap of selecting only what we want to hear from our elected officials!!!!!

Aristotle did say "Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society."

What makes you think that this is going to help out the person who's house is going into foreclosure. This is going to help the lenders, the big banks who gambled on your morgage being golden, and it turned out not too. This is going to help the people who keep up to $250,000 in the bank insured. How many damn people at Ford that you work with every day keep $250,000 in the bank? Then look at all the additional crap the senate added to this already screwed up bill. Continued tax breaks to people who have nothing to do with this mess. And they scoff at somebody when they say suspend the capitol gains tax. Our government is so screwed up! Lets give alot of money and power to a group of people who need it because they abused alot of money and power. Thank God it is an election year, and people are worried about losing thier seats in the house. That tells you right there that the people who are expected to pony up (or as Biden says "time to be patriotic") are having a hard time swallowing this swill of a bill they are trying to ram down our throats. The congressmen and women's phones are ringing ogg the hook with people telling them how upset they will be if this bill passes. 1000 calls an hour!!! Choke on that!

That quote came out wrong! Not to hard to believe, guess that is what I should have said.

Not too hard to dispute. What Beck writes could happen.

What I find amazing is how you can be so confident that the one man or the one party you are going to vote for is going to change your economic situation. I really do believe that if someone who is elected doesn't support my same core values, that they will set out to change them. One indicator is the way a person has voted in the past, but the true indicator is his words. One side has nothing to lose by saying he will lower taxes for 95% of the population. If he can't do it, there well be plenty of reasons as to why he couldn't, and he will list every one. The other side has everything to lose by saying he believes life begins at conception, and he supports less restrictive gun laws. If he goes back on his word, he will forever be known as the great liar. It's about character. It's about promising to veto every bill that comes across his desk that aims to take away our rights that our founding fathers and first American citizens fought hard for. It's about selecting judges that are going to uphold the constitution. Thats what I call a stand up canadate.

There are two things I will never take away from any American. 1. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I will leave the conservative religous spin out of the abortion debate, and ask you to look at it from the point that every american is intitled to that. Where the debate becomes murky is exaclly when lilfe begins. Some believe at the moment of conception, others believe anywhere inbetween conception and from the time the fetus begins to take shape. Some think that even late term pregnancies can be ended, and if the fetus manages to survive, then it should be ok to allow the fetus to be cast aside and left to die. If I choose to believe that conception is when life begins, that is my right. And in my eyes, I will vote to preserve the first amendment for all Americans, born or unborn. 2. The second amendment is pretty damn clear. If you allow yourselves to believe that the second amendment is out dated, not necessary, or simply mis-interpeted, then you will allow anything in the bill of rights to be re-interpeted by our politicians, and that is just plain wrong. Again, my right to vote my way, your right to vote your way. Betting that either one of these clowns will be able to save our economy is pretty scary. I don't think either one has the smarts, or the power to do it. So at the end of the day, I choose to support the canidate that will preserve the first two amendments. You choose yours. And God help us all!

I think that all of the dictators and communist countries also took away guns, created a state where everyone was compensated the same, which by the way, is pretty damn close to poverty, and mowed down anyone who didn't agree with them.

I do have a teenage daughter, and it would be a gut wrenching trama if she should get raped and become pregnant. But what about the child she is carrying, should he/she have to pay the price for an unspeakable crime? When do human rights begin for baby? That is the difference between you and I. I refuse to allow a supreme court decide at what point human life begins. Laws of the land do not always supercede laws of humanity. If we allowed everything the court passed to stand as law, we would still have slavery (remember Dread Scott in history class?)