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Doesn't mean there won't be a small sedan - just that it won't be a $30K small sedan. The large luxury sedan market is so tiny now that it doesn't make sense to go after that.

For me that's actually a downside. If I have a leak I'd like to know about it.

All of my Torx screws are metal.

Not impossible at all. It zips right off with 8 torx head screws and goes back on just as easily. Takes no more than 2 minutes. It's a minor annoyance. It's done for aerodynamics and fuel efficiency.

It might be sad if he was actually driving a Ford vehicle.

Radio software bug that prevents the door ajar and seatbelt chimes from being heard? Good grief. They really are leaving no stone unturned.

Same for the 2013 Fusion and MKZ. New platform, new top hat and 2 new engines. It's not a conscious decision not to change them at the same time, they're just not holding up one for the other any more. If the new engine is ready for a new platform it goes out if not it gets delayed.

You can't actually get the schematics unless you log in as a dealer.

Back to the topic - Lois Lerner's Emails. Otherwise I'm more than happy to lock this thread too.

I don't give a rats behind about how many people post here or create content. That's not in my job description. Did it ever occur to you that the reason more people don't post is precisely BECAUSE of all the political posts?

If the goal was to increase site visitors then we should just start posting porn. The vast majority of BOF members don't care about discussing politics at all. Topic bombing the off topic section with dozens of political topics and allowing topics to turn into general purpose person/party/ideology bashing serves no useful purpose and probably turns away many site visitors and members. Most sites don't allow any political posts for just that reason. Consider yourselves lucky that they're allowed with only a few simple rules. If you want to have those kinds of discussions then go start your own forum or website and do whatever you want to do.

I wouldn't give GM credit for that much foresight or planning. I don't think we would have seen this much transparency and action if Akerson was still in charge.

And the only basis of not wanting drunkenness on Sunday is Christianity. Sooooo..............................about Behghazi.................

I see fordparts.com offers employees and retirees a 15% discount but it's not A-Z plan related and it doesn't cover tires. That's all I could find.

If it exists then why doesn't the dealer have access to it? If the dealer can't find it then that makes me suspicious. If it is true is it just A-Z plan or does it include X/D plan too?

How is a law that allows alcohol to be sold 6 days a week but not on Sunday anything but intolerance? That was the origin of the law to begin with and there is no logical reason for alcohol to be sold on all other days but not on Sunday. I won't rehash the rest of it - we've been there done that and got the t-shirt. We completely disagree on what constitutes a violation of your religious beliefs.

Because not everyone wants to pay for all safety features and it drives up the cost of the base model for advertising purposes.

I don't think that's accurate since plan pricing only applies to the vehicle, not parts or accessories sold separately. If there was a plan price the dealer would already have it in their pricing system.

The difference between 5th place and next to last place is 1.05 problems per vehicle vs. 1.46 problems per vehicle. It doesn't take much to move up or down 20 or 30 slots. They really should show better than average (Porsche, Jag, Lexus. Hyundai), worse than average (Fiat) and everyone else as average. That's what it says to me.

Rats - I just broke my own rule about staying on topic. I'll let RangerM reply and then we'll knock it off. Sorry.

This is my issue with this argument - seeing or interacting with or selling goods or services to a gay couple does not in any way shape or form force you to violate your religious beliefs. You can only do that through your actions. Those are just convenient excuses to discriminate against folks that you don't like or don't approve of. And if you want to make that argument then you would also have to include murderers, liars, thieves, adulterers, etc. because those sins are just as bad. Do you refuse to serve divorced people?

You can still define marriage as a union between 2 consenting adults. You don't have to open it up to more than 2. That's a red herring. And that's not name calling it's simply stating a fact that really isn't disputable. I should have said "some" Christians and not made it sound like all of them, but look at the facts: Passing laws that make gay marriage unlawful Passing or supporting laws that make it illegal to sell alcohol on Sunday Asking for public Christian prayers in schools and sporting events Those are all Christians forcing me to follow their religious beliefs. You don't see Mormons trying to make it illegal to sell soft drinks with caffeine. They just choose not to drink it. I want Christians to do the same thing. If you don't support gay marriage then don't marry a person of the same sex. What others do is their own business. If you don't want to buy alcohol on Sunday then don't buy it. Whether I buy it or not is my business and doesn't affect anyone else. If you want to pray you can do that on your own anytime you want 24 hours a day. It's not necessary to have someone else do it out loud.

Any government rules or laws around different sex marriage such as inheritance, medical decision making, benefits and taxes are just as pertinent to same sex couples as different sex couples so there is no reason to treat them differently. Let them get married, treat them the same and move on. But the Christians just can't do that. They feel the need to force everyone else to abide by their religious beliefs and have no respect for other religions or those who have no religion.

But it was a big deal last year, even though it should not have been for the reason you stated.