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It is a form of local union protectionism is all. Back in the early '80's with the massive layoffs, locals were afraid to have to allow any "outsiders" in who had any seniority. By giving them '84 sen. , it effectively protected everyone in the transfers' new plant from these "outsiders". You see from about 1980 to 1984 there were very,very,very,very few new hires. So when a transfer came in , no matter what his/her sen. was , the '84 leveling date put them last on the plant sen. list for shift AND job postings. I had the pleasure of going thru this (and still have that sen. 23 yrs later). The date is soooooo archaic now and outdated, its a useless tool anymore. Did I say very few new hires....LOL

Explain where anyone "loses" seniority ?

Duh...transform it will. How long did it take for the Great Depression to recover ??

As a soldier or as a politician ??? They arent the same. I'm sure the Swift Boat mentality is par for the course....Wait til the elections this fall.

So are you saying that a MW working in Engine and one in Frame are NOT in that unit but are in M&C ????

Big Deal...it happened AFTER the earthquake. Get over it.

Exactly. There was/is no inflation adjustments so like the original Alternative Min.Tax, families could grow into a tax just because of inflation. The last benefit summary I found was 2007 and the cost to Ford was only $12k+....fearmongers and knowledge deficits.

They said they are waiting for you to take a buyout and then loads of new work will go in there... :happy feet: :happy feet:

[quote name='mikem12' date='Jan 14 2010, 12:39 PM' post='588903' who will you blame? I know it won't be yourself. me mentality my ass. I didnt blame anyone when it happened to me and I wouldnt now. Its the fair thing to do. This crap about churning is just that. Its not like 1000 ILO's would bump into one plant at the same time and displace 1000 others. And yes it is a me mentality. Protectionism and bro v. bro.

Read my post....when I had low sen., this very thing happened to me. And I was off longer than my sub/mesc by a long shot. So with only $300 in the bankl(after SUB ran out), guess what ?? I finally found another job and worked 2 or 3 at one time for several months. I never said anyone will be Happy. Its just the fair thing to do. Now I have the sen. to bump probably 90% of my trade and 95% of production if it arises. Check your math. How does one person bumping someone to the street equal 2 displaced ?? I hope you dont count the guy doing the bumping because he may have to travel across town to his new plant..........

I predict that MAP will be the only full B & A running in Wayne location. WAP will be an asterisk.*****

They apparently do want the excess(in their minds) trades to quit. Otherwise, they would put them to work. And if Iuaw was serious about it, work could be brought back in-house or new work brought in to keep trades working AND off the line. I dont believe full trade pay would make any diff to Ford. GEN was supposed to deter them from ILO's. Alot of good that did. Ford wants trades to disappear and it has the blessings of the Int'l and Bob King.

Fearmonger. What was the $$ on your benefit summary last year ?? Wasnt $23K........

Even among the trades ???????

Ya think ?! Watch and see what the MSRP is compared to present Foci.

And this is simply home grown local "me" mentality , politics. Its also protectionism which is not fair.

This is what Chrysler and to a great extent,GM has been doing for yrs. It is what is fair.

Yeah but too bad they didnt finish the grill at the factory.

What....and you think its different elsewhere ?????

I'll be back later when I have some time. But in the meantime, that agreement you speak of is only good to wipe yer a** with.

Nothing will change unless you and others take the issue to everyone...local and I-UAW. And dont let up. Regardless of ACH's "supposedly being sold or closed, there are plenty of EL's, MR,PSO,MW, etc etc. working as temps(Visteon employee) and most are retired blue, so they are double dipping anyway. These are jobs that trades on temp jobs on the line could be placed in. Mind you , locals will work to keep you out. But I find it absurd when Maumee MR's were on ILO for so long yet we had temp MR's working , collecting a Ford pension AND a Visteon paycheck. Keep the pressure on........

BINGO !!!!!!!

Just dug out my benefits summary. Most recent I found was 2006. Family of four was $11,276 for health care. So go crawl back under that rock of yours. The healthcare inflation for 2 yrs hasnt even come close to raising it to the levels you are spewing.

Because it wasn't posted. We have 2 MR that took buyouts and got re-hired as temps. Interesting that they allow Ford production to bump some of our prod.temps out but they will allow other trades to be laid off from their tools but allow these double dippers to continue. All but one EL and all Power Service are temps. Chair seemed to really push these last mods which would've been big changes for trades. He was even starting to lay groundwork for it even b-4 we voted on the contract. Oops guess he got a little ahead of himself. Anyway I think those 3 trades are the only ones with these Visteon Supplemental Temps taking spots of laid off Ford trades. EL and PS obviously are short everywhere so its not likely an issue. MR on the other hand have had layoffs at many locations the last couple yrs. Or they are stuck on the line somewhere. Hope that helps..............

Sounds right.