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First of all, that was the Canadian Auto workers Union, not the UAW, so get your facts straight. Secondly, they don't make anywhere near what you make tradesman. And third of all, the reason they should get a cut is because theygot it for you, you sure as hell didn't get it yourself. On a 20 cent an hour raise, the UAW gets another 40 Cents a month out of you. I think you can afford it tradesman. Besides, you are getting a 20 cent raise and you did get a tooling raise last time, and you did get lump sum raises last time and this time so who are you shitting. Dude, you aren't making 30 plus an hour cause you look pretty.

Well what would you rather have done, lose all of that work? DTP gained 157 jobs from that agreement, I really don't give a shit if they are 157 lower paying jobs. I think 157 lower paying jobs are better than 157 outsourced jobs. Apparently you don't. I shouldn't have to tell you that. It's your friggin plant, you guys passed it.

The language in GM and Chrylser replaces the master wage employees 1 for 1 within 30 days by RTBU, flowback, promotion of an entry level, or barring the above - a new hire. I believe that is correct in order of the placement hierarchy at Ford also. Secondly, the main reason that assembly cannot be deemed non-core is that - it is the only thing left. If your argument was to become fact, then no part of building a car would be core to building a car. Please don't go overboard. A National committee will be resposible to identify the non-core at GM, Chrysler and Ford. This team will ensure that there is parity across the UAW at the big three so as not to give a competetive advantage to one of the big three, thereby hurting the other UAW autoworkers. GM identified 16,000 non-core out of 73,000 workers in the highlight book, as Chrysler and Ford will follow suit and have a similar percentage, since they will be the same type operations. I am not condoning the action, it is definitely a concession resulting from market loss and financial strain in the industry. However, it is not taken to the extreme that you have supposed above.

That is correct. Nov. 16th. It is also correct that there is no election day this year, only next year and the last year to coincide with big elections.

Boy if that isn't a hypocrite. I read the article then I summarily dismissed it. You admittedly didn't read it, then criticized me for summarily dismissing it and add that they have added to the debate in a useful way???????? :huh: Are you basing that on the article you never read??

I agree, and I read the article. Not only it is full of misinformation, it quotes news articles that were based on speculation. The numbers do not even match the negotiated amounts. Pure hype and bad facts, like most of the S.O.S. info.

Maybe you should send out a S.O.S. and get someone to help you.

Americans!!!!!!!!!!!! We have been threatened by the French Hosers!!!!!!!

Yah I have seen it. It is from a past regional director who lost his job. It is the dumbest thing I ever read. He is bitter for losing his job and just living to cause a problem. Some life.

Ima, point taken, but let's see what the percentage is here at Ford before we assume the 50%. I have known that Chrysler was always a little radical. Their position was weak with a venture capital group who doesn't even know if they want to stay in business versus a family like Ford who doesn't want to go out of business. What I am saying is, if our pattern plus is better - which last contracts usually are, then we could possibly be higher in acceptance than GM. At that point, we probably wouldn't argue.

2 year clock starts ticking after you refuse twice. You can also choose to sit at home and get 85% of your pay, or do community service or non-traditional work and get 100%. Either way, it doesn't last forever. Gen funds are severly depleted from closed plant employees refusing to go anywhere and happy to sit on their asses for a 40 free paycheck. That all ends.

If you log onto www.fidelityinvestments.com you can create an account using your social security number and your hire in date as a pin. From there you can model different loans or withdrawls an read instructions on what qualifies. It is simple and self explanatory. The money can even be directly deposited directly into your checking account if you want.

Dude, this is the same shit as the other threads. Let's stick to one or two so we don't have to repeat ourselves over and over. I mean, you can do what ya want. But this makes it seem like you want to branch out "you opinion, without any others". C'mon dude, same shit different thread.

Hemmer, I never said everyone was doing a great job. I agree with your statement entirely.

Regardless of his number of posts, he raises significant questions. But furious, I believe that I read that a team of the National parties will decide for the big 3. It specifically states it will not be done locally. As I stated before, we cannot allow plants within Ford to whipsaw eachother by offering to give away more to get product. That is the beauty of a moritorium on outsourcing, and product being provided an the National level. It won't happen. On top of that, I believe the locals will have more power, being that their product will already be granted, so the Local management won't be holding that carrot over their head this time around. I believe what you are asking for is in the language already.

Listen Buddy, While I would love to be all solidarity like with you, it's hard enough for us to get along down here. This is a FORD employee forum, Canadian GM workers are welcome to read just don't post your misleading Hoser bullshit down here Not much difference at the end of the day??? Take off you hoser - to the Great White North.

I respect your opinion, but words cannot express mine, so..........

Apparently you read it wrong it says "UAW got pay raises after the contract ratification, GM inside news" The reason I say it is misleading, is because it was the CAW not the UAW. Different union dude. Wouldn't it be just as misleading to say the "Teamsters got a raise" if it was the "UAW". I believe that during a controversial time such as this, no falsehoods should be spread that are anti-union. This thread is and was misleading people to be disgruntled with the UAW when the original post is about the CAW. Just read some of the replies, and see how many people have viewed this thread. I do not believe it was furious's intent, I believe he understood what he was posting, maybe just a typo. Anyway I don't see how you can argue this point with me. I am right. It was and is misleading people against their Union at a critical time.

And Furious, don't you think your thread was a little misleading in it's title. UAW should say CAW. Not a fair thread title.

Kimber, Ron Gettlefinger is with the UAW. Buzz Hargrove runs the CAW. It is a different union!!!!!! Maybe you should get your facts straight before you lynch someone or accuse someone of backstabbing based on a Canadian Union story. A little solidarity sister?

Should I thank you or should your bargaining rep say thank you?

I don't know what he is talking about either sometimes. Anyway furious. I will accept "progressive two tier" as a synonym for "Grow in" or "entry level".

They are not entitled to any more than your local appointees, but I don't hear anyone bitching to have them elected. Why? Because we all know that they have a tremendous amount of training and knowledge gained over the years that only enhances their ability. For this reason, I say the same goes for the International. I am not talking about any "one" example. I am sure we can all point out a flaw in an individual. I am talking an overall philosophy.

Got "fed up" or decided to "feed on"? Many of them went to supplier companies and used their influence at prior positions to get or enhance Ford business. Like DeMars going to Plastech etc.. I don't mind pay for performance, as I stated earlier. But maybe my idea of performance and theirs need to be the same first. I think many of them are just corporate mushrooms, feeding off their host. What ever happened to the noncompete clauses they use to make these guys sign for 3 to 5 years after they retire to stop this shit from happening?

Okay, I'll try. But Furious is the one who got me going on the pictures.