duncan36
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Exactly. Lincoln needs to build American cars for Americans first. GM is and will continue to prove its a giant mistake to outright copy the Japanese and Germans. The ES clone Buick Lacrosse is floundering and the BMW 3 clone Cadillac ATS is floundering. Why on earth would people want Lincoln to go down that path of eventual defeat?
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Ford Doubling its Dividend
duncan36 replied to mackinaw's topic in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
Now earning 3% a year in dividends alone, you'll be lucky to find 1% interest in a bank. -
Of course it matters who engineers a platform. If Lincoln isnt engineering platforms its not building cars its a dumping ground for Ford product. Look at all the crappy Lincoln products with consumerate crappy sales like the MKS, MKT for evidence of how what Ford is doing with Lincoln isnt working at all. Then look at companies like Audi which are roaring successes for how to organize a luxury brand within a larger automotive group successfully.
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Ford Mustang-based rear-drive coupe
duncan36 replied to 68Cougar's topic in Lincoln Motor Company Discussion
It worked great for Cadillac with the ATS right? No, what Lincoln really needs is an inhouse designed flagship engineered from the ground up by Lincoln. -
Audi has created entire platforms and co-engineered platforms with the rest of VW group. Aka they are responsible for engineering all aspects of the cars they produce from the ground up. If you dont see the difference between that and Ford handing Lincoln the Fusion platform and Lincoln changing the styling and adding some options I suggest you withdraw from the discussion as you cant grasp simple concepts.
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If you want to see how its done successfully look at Audi and its relationship to VW. Audi is an autonomous unit that makes its own decisions, has its own engineering from the ground up despite sharing platforms with VW. This isnt 1970 anymore and Lincoln cant get away with slapping a new body on a Thunderbird platform and calling it a day. Either Lincoln becomes its own autonomous unit within Ford that makes its own decisions and helps build its own cars from top to bottom. Or wrap it up and close it down because its worse than useless it'll be a perpertual drain on Ford and nothing more than a dumping ground.
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You and I really dont know how the platforms were developed. I've said many times its not a bad thing that Lincoln and Ford share platforms. All I'm saying is that its better if Lincoln platforms flow primarily from Lincoln to Ford rather than from Ford to Lincoln. Otherwise whats the point of Lincoln? If it cant produce platforms its just a dumping ground for Ford.
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I dont necessarily have a problem with Fords and Lincolns having the same platform. I just believe that the platforms a luxury marque like Lincoln uses should originate with Lincoln and then migrate to Ford. As God intented. I'm willing to bet all the best Lincoln models over the years were developed this way. And no I dont classify any of the Fox or Panther Lincolns as being worthy of that title.
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Thunderbird was most successful as a personal luxury coupe. Today I think it should be made into a coupe and a sedan off a Lincoln flagship platform. Bring back personal American luxury cars stop making prissy copies of Japanese luxury!
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The sword swings both ways if you're going to do away with union shops then Corporations who use dirty tricks to try to attack unions and divide employees unjustly should be criminally prosecuted. Thats the reason union shops were formed in the first place because of corporations relentless unjust attacks on employees and unions.
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First off Ford has things all wrong with Lincoln. The technology shouldnt be flowing from Ford to Lincoln, if Lincoln truly is a premium brand it should be flowing from Lincoln to Ford. The best engineers in the company should be working for Lincoln, definitely too much bean counter involvement that has reversed the just flow. Second dont follow Cadillac's path and try to copy the Germans. The ATS is an absolute disaster in the marketplace. What Lincoln needs is a totally homegrown flagship car designed by Americans for Americans, a car that is designed for American roads and driving conditions. A big stylish, powerful, American car with presence like the old days but not a throwback, truly modern. If Car and Driver doesnt like it because it doesnt drive like a Porsche 911 too bad. Then if Lincoln or Ford wants to build a car or suv off the platform let them start from scratch on the platform and have at it.