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Awesome story. That's devotion!

While the EPA test is flawed, it's not flawed any more or less when it comes to hybrids. Remember the 2010-2012 Fusion and the later Escape Hybrid had no issues at all meeting the advertised MPG...almost dead on. Then in 2013 when the hybrid numbers magically jumped to 47 MPG, Ford started hearing an ear full about how they don't come close to that.

Exactly. Ford dishonestly used the Fusion numbers on the Cmax. But if the numbers are not valid for the Cmax, it's not hard to believe that maybe the Fusion numbers are no good too. In fact, the Fusion numbers are no good as evidenced by the reports on fueleconomy.gov. So there are two issues, stupidly not testing the Cmax and the Fusion numbers being very suspect.

Certainly a good review. They didn't even speak badly of the car, just truthful. Nice to see some honesty and not just praising everything under the sun.

Yes, really. I'll post the same link for the millionth time. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33083 There will be some outliers, but the majority of cars do not see the figures Ford advertises. Up until last week, the Cmax did too.

Ok, boss, whatever you say. Obviously we're not going to get anywhere with a person like you.

The Fusion is doing no better in the fuel economy department than the Cmax. It's averaging around 40 MPG versus the advertised 47.

39 MPG is a 3 MPG improvement on a vehicle that should be getting 45 MPG? Unbelievable.

You are going to be labeled a troll and probably a negatard now. Welcome to BON!

Wrong. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33083 And if the same powertrain in the Cmax was found to be grossly overstated in terms of fuel economy, don't you think that the Fusion would have the same issues too?

In what twisted way is this trolling? I posted preliminary pricing information from a forum where a member spoke with his dealer. Do you really think the official pricing will be that far off? Do you think that this truck, which is very similar to the Dodge Ram Sport will really that far off from the pricing posted?

The software update happened before the change in the EPA figures. And at this point, I would be surprised if Ford did just that as a way to "calm the fires" so to speak. The whole notion that the Cmax/Fusion twins needed a "software update" so soon after going on sale is suspicious. Now there may be something to it beyond a reading on the display as the EPA has stated (but who knows who provided the EPA with these figures) as the Cmax would have only managed 41 MPG versus the revised 43 (if I recall correctly), but only Ford really knows. That was not my assertion. You need to re-read the entire exchange starting with post number 130 on page 7. Essentially, my assertion is that had the Cmax/Fusion twins even come CLOSE to the fuel economy figure advertised by Ford, there would not have been any software update.

You think it was scheduled to substantially lower the EPA FE numbers? And you think that the software reprogram was in no way a response to buyers that are seeing substantially lower figures than they were told they would see? I'm all for giving the benefit of the doubt, but in this case, it's not warranted based on the totality of the circumstances. And I question exactly what the "software update" actually did. You can do anything with software and make any readout say anything. Now I wouldn't be surprised if you dismiss my points with some nonsense that I'm being a negatard and because I'm not the EPA I can't have an opinion. But the truth is, I am a massive fan of the American auto industry and it really irks me when a company does something like this which is completely avoidable and makes the automaker look terrible. They've all done it, but I expected better. It's frustrating.

It's really not that hard to accept. They make a fantastic truck. I have owned trucks from all of the big three manufactures. They all make a fantastic vehicle. To deny that is complete fanboyism.

My grandma always said...happy wife, happy life! Too bad gramps never caught onto that lol.

You sure seem to think you're an expert on everything. You should take a look at yourself and how you teat people rather than analyzing every letter people type and then twisting it into something negative.

No, there was no loophole used there, but it's clear something is wrong with their figures. The same complaints that plagued the Cmax, plague the Fusion and MKZ. Like I said the issue is two fold...one being that the newest generation of Ford hybrids come up very short and two the EPA test has some issues with it that affect all cars.

No, they don't. Try again. As for the pricing, take it with a grain of sale. It's more than we have had to go on up until now.

End thread. Well said.

Yeah, you completely missed my point.

It would not have been scrutinized had the original numbers been achievable on a regular basis. Plus, the whole Hyundai/Kia fiasco and rumors that Ford ratted them out, it's kinda the perfect storm. Honesty is best and Ford was 100% dishonest and continues to be with the Fusion/MKZ. I hope they realize that they need to make things right and the sooner they do that the sooner this will all go away.

From F150online.com...figure around $41K for a 2WD. Add $3580 for 4WD and $395 for that great looking ruby red color from the press shots. Although loaded with ugly, I'd probably go for a Raptor at that price. I'm glad I didn't wait for it. Badass truck for sure, but way out of my price range. Thank God for the Dodge Ram Express. The Tremor is a competitor of the Dodge Ram Sport, which is a more feature laden Ram like the Tremor. http://www.f150online.com/forums/2009-2013-f-150/489477-2014-tremor-pricing.html

Yes. The loophole is insanely stupid and it was insanely stupid for Ford to try and exploit that loophole. They should care about their customers more than beating the Prius or making great headlines for ads. There are aspects of this test (which started life as an emissions test) that need to change. Just the fact they don't allow ethanol fuel to be used should invalidate the test as most states stupidly require ethanol in the fuel. Another one is not requiring all axle ratios to be tested on a given model.

I don't know what Ford did. But something is not right. I don't think they lied, but I think they were dishonest and knew exactly what they were doing when they exploited that loophole in the EPA rules. As for the tests as they are not being accurate for hybrids, I submit this: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33083&id=31388&id=30373&id=26405 There are two issues here. One being that something isn't right with the numbers for Ford Hybrids (and possibly other vehicles). Secondly, and this affects all vehicles tested, is some of the aspects are flawed with the EPA rules and such.

You should remain on topic.