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Welp hopefully that many went into other developments.

Looking at the spied interior shots, ford changed the door cards for the expy as well. They won't be using the tucked in squeeze handles but more traditional pull type handles.

It would essentially be what the stealth performance package is now, even if they name it just st-line. It's true gm doesn't bring over previous design components to new gens, but if I recall, 2025 is the first time they're even doing a mid cycle refresh on their fs suvs. They normally sell so well, they don't do refreshes, just add features and let them ride into a complete redesign. Gm makes so much mo ey on their suvs they can afford to redo the body every time they redesign ot.

They haven't released it yet, hopefully they add some body flourishes that make the navigator stand out a bit from the expy. One thing I noticed in the spied trucks, the nav looks way less imposing and aggressive than the nautilus, with less facial appliques and creases. The headlights are also less aggressive, more round and curvy.

Don't care too much about the trim names. More interested about feature content and thoughtful changes. Saw leaked pics of the armada, it's looking good and looks like it will come with the same suspension as the qx80.

Have you tried the expy seats, they are just as cushy but more body type friendly. And the rest of the vehicle is somewhat similar.

From the forum, the poster stated that a dealer had a blog that posted the photo. Apparently the trim range will now mimic the explorer and escape now, so it'll be active, king ranch, and platinum, with possible limited and st trims.

Ford expedition active per ford expedition forums.

O I meant both, but the original quote was about the newest reviews on the nautilus.

In isolation, the vehicle is very smooth and quiet. However, upon comparing against its competitor set, bof, almost all cross shoppers and journalists day the same thing: its crude against the air suspension and the transmission is too rough. A Canadian journalist even said the solid axle lx600 was more comfortable in terms of ride. The interior and seat comfort ate still tops, but refinement needs improvement, it's showing it's age in the dept. As much as I love my nav, I can admit that it doesn't rele feel as refined against my dads escalade most of the time.

They will def need to work on refinement if they wanna promote quiet flight. The nautilus isn't the smoothest, comfiest or quietest in its class, so I'm a little worried about if lincoln did more than enough for the nav.

For better idea of its updates.

Raitis rides seems like the only journalists that got to see the car in person. The 2nd row seats are pretty much the same as the first, which i like. At first, i wasnt impressed by the refresh, but now, the escalade is a lot more pleasing to me. I still dnt know if i like it more than the infiniti, but its nice. I especially like the cup holder trim and the supercruise sensor trim as well.

Apologies, your post uploaded before mine. Lincoln has all the pressure, but now the balls in their court. The qx80 has been revealed and driven with first units arriving in August. The escalade iq has been revealed with much fanfare, and the ice escalade revealed with none. The refresh escalade did nothing but modernize the face, add power rear seats and stretch the screens. Lincoln at the very minimum should equal or beat the interior, have power to the 2nd row and add a hybrid option and it's sells should vastly more than it is now, even if they don't touch the ride and handling.

No news or anything so we dnt know.

I hope both the top and bottom of the grill have illuminated bars. I like the kr wheel alot. Ot looks like ford is going back to the plastic cladding for the mirror pedestals instead of the body colored sheet metal they been doing for the current gen, which is ugly and makes no sense to do. Also, ford is not hiding the front wipers like it's competitors do, but that's just me nit picking.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a61610567/2025-cadillac-escalade-revealed/ Escalade was just revealed, but we already know what it looked like as the vehicles was spied inside and out uncamoed. Welp, the two biggest competitors have officially been revealed, so now lincoln has all the pressure, and they can take their time making the reveal as glam as needed. With more spy photos of the expy showing up, one may be revealed somewhat soon, but Ford is taking their time. These products better blow us out of the water or just reveal them as refreshes and not new products.

I hope so. Usually, the refreshes are revealed late, but not the redesigns, so I'm surprised the explorer refresh was revealed months before the build date, but we still haven't seen the bigguns yet. I feel like ford and gm are playing chess, trying to Guage whose doing what with their newest offerings.

They still used the current model as the base. The spied photos like a bit different in profile. The mirrors are not the same as the current model. Though the doors are the same in design, the body paneling is a bit curvy. Also, the rear has a more curvier slope than the current model. Also, the rear spoiler is a lot thicker and more integrated into the tail gate than the current model as well. Sorry for the over analysis, but I can't be the only one whose tired of waiting.

Except price it as such. Idk why mazda thinks selling the cx70 at the same price as the cx90 is a smart idea.

Nope, no info on release, build date, order banks or unveil date has been released or made public. I thought at one time I saw order banks began July 15, but I can't find where I saw it anywhere and it's almost that date and still no reveal.

It's because consumers find it outdated. Some potential buyers probably know of and waiting for the 25 as well.

The last gen of the qx80 had air suspension in the rear, but not in the front. The new one has 4 corner air suspension. The nav had air suspension from gen 1 to gen 3 pre refresh. Idk why they decided to get rid of it, the post refresh nav without air suspension rode great, but ccd wasn't as good. Ccd just can't compete with such a huge vehicle as air suspension for its target demo.

From the articles and video reviews, they seem to like the interior roominess and interface alot. Some of the gimmicky features are, well gimmicky, like the biometric hvac and stereo features. It handles well, and the engine is smooth and brisk. The ride is very good, but not class leading. I was looking forward to thwse reviews because I actually like how it looks. The nav shouldn't have a hard time clearing this from the reviews, however, every reviewer on every competitor says no other fs suv has reached the standard that the escalade has set, with only the gw being close enough. Without the air suspension, which honestly doesn't look like is added to the new nav, I don't see the nav clearing that bar either, and if it doesn't, they aren't going to eat much into the escalade sales more than they plan to nor come close. The luxury drive feel is the only thing holding this platform back, and we know the tech will be there due to how well recieved it is in the nautilus.

Can't wait for it to be revealed