focusfrank

Exactly. This is a bad deal for the members, why wouldn't FMC and GM and Chrysler agree to this, it takes all of the health care responsibilities away from them and onto the IUAW. So when were told that the fund is in the negative and they (IUAW) needs money taken out of our checks to make up for this we can't blame the company. Telling you in the long run this WON'T benefit us and we will end up losing any money we gained in a raise to make up for this. The IUAW will try and sell this idea to the members with a raise, hopefully the members see through this and vote no. But I think unfortunately the members will see a raise and vote yes on this.

The rising costs of health care is something that neither can control. Veba is all based on the stock market, which isn't a good thing. Sure when the economy is good, stocks are up but what happens when the economy is down and the stock market is down?? They will force us to make up the lose and tell us (there won't be a vote) we will have to have money deducted out of our checks which will offset any raise we will get.

A strike will never happen because nobody is willing to stick together. Everyone blames the company for the poor contracts and all of the concessions in the past when in reality the blame falls solely on the shoulders of those representing us, the IUAW. You can't blame the company for that, its the fault of the IUAW for bringing the poor contracts to the members to vote on. This contract will be no different...

Great story..

The reason FMC was in the good'financial shape it was when Chrysler and GM needed help to survive was only because all of its profit wasn't only in the auto industry, they had other things not in the auto industry to sell off, while the others didn't.

Wouldn't surprise me to some of you guys coming back to MAP...

Any word on what their going to do with you guys? Any word on Bringing most of you back to MAP to replace those who have left?

Agree...

The elimination of C Crew had nothing to do with attendance, other plants have attendance issues too. The company doesn't give a shit about attendance as long as there's other workers to cover them which there always was.

What if it's local where you don't get relocation money? Always heard as long you don't sign off on your home plant that plant remains your home plant

The Bronco will be built at MAP too on the same frame as the Ranger

the Focus is leaving MAP because it can be built cheaper in Mexico and in turn means a bigger profit for FMC. They can build the Ranger at MAP and be able to keep up with demand by only running 2 shifts. Plus with all of the postings for other plants now becoming available FMC knows that a lot tier 1's will leave MAP and they will be replaced by the tier 2s that were laid off. More tier 2s at MAP means a bigger profit for FMC, half that plant will end up being tier 2s by the end of this year you watch.

I've heard the ones that left MAP and went to FRAP are asking to go back to MAP also...

You never get back anything you've given up in the past when it comes to a contract. So what's gone is gone for good. You notice there's no longer any of this tough talk of striking from the IUAW, that went away as soon as they raised our union dues..

If you opt out of paying union dues you are still entitled to everything a dues paying member is entitled too.

Your right hospitals initially get stuck with it and pass it off to the insurance companies, BUT that's one of the many reasons health care costs are so high. And if you don't like being told what physicians to go see than change the type of insurance plan you have don't blame that on the insurance company. You made that choice

Under this plan you would get a letter from the insurance company asking that you schedule a health care assessment, if you chose not too you would be penalized in some way. That is how it would be enforced

The reason health care cost is out of control is due to the hospitals getting stuck with picking up the tab for all of the uninsured... Also I don't know about you BUT I have the freedom to see whatever doctor I want, I don't have an insurance company making that decision for me. That all depends on the type of insurance you chose to go with.

AND will want the members to sign a longer contract, instead of a 4 year contract it will be longer. Remember don't blame the company THIS is the IUAW that is coming up with this...

I don't agree with this type of joint insurance as it only benefits the company by saving them a lot of money. The members will gain nothing from this, everyone's deductibles will go up so any raise we get we be off set by the medical deductibles we will all pay. BUT why do you think that the president of EACH local will appoint doctor's to care for its members?? Where are you getting this information from and how are you coming up with this?? With this plan EVERYONE will be required to take a health care assessment, ie a physical to see what type of shape your in and also will be able to find out ANY type of medications you are currently taking..

This will not benefit the members BUT the IUAW DOESN'T have any control over co pays like your saying they do, the insurance companies control that.

If this goes through it's going to require EVERY member to get a health care assessment. This means EVERY member will be required to go to a doctor and get a full physical to include blood work to see if your in good health and also will be able to find out what type of medication your currently taking by way of that blood work. You will also have to disclose if your a smoker or a drinker.

Are you going to try and say NAFTA helped us in anyway?? We gained nothing from it..

Republican policies?? Clinton is responsible for NAFTA and Obama signed a similar trade agreement with Europe...

We have been kept in the dark from the time they announced the shift was being eliminated. As soon as it was announced (which most of us found out by hearing it on the local news instead of by the union) there wasn't a union rep to be found or seen. They all of a sudden stopped coming around, you would be lucky to see them once or twice a week. now that the shift has been eliminated and those tier 2's who are still there who didn't make the final cut which now that cut off date has changed from April 9th to I hear some time into March you now see union reps around but they still don't say much at all. Everything you hear about when the next round of layoffs are going to be is all heard through rumors, the latest I've heard is that Sept 12th is the lay off date for the tier 2's. They must know something, I find it hard to believe they don't, you even ask them about the current status of the contract talks and they say they don't even know anything about that. You can bet when the time comes when people can opt out of paying union dues you will see them on a daily basis, and will be full of info and probably some free t-shirts at that. I think the tier 2's that are left there who didn't make the cut are all hoping to get transferred to another plant