Bob Rosadini

JP, actually the commercial truck guy at my dealership has told me that 600 has robbed from 550-that was probably almost a year ago. I guess the attraction was 4WD in a 600 at 22,000 GVW and a "friendlier " truck for the inexperienced driver to handle vs high hood of a 650. As for 750's this guy stocks mostly 750's with derated plates-26,000 gvw. Trucks look heavy with high rated big rubber-no clue if they are 10/23 axles but one thing they do is avoid a cdl driver and the FET tax for a 33,000 gvw. Probably should spend some time and go through the order guide instead of guessing.

Lot of truth in that..look at the 2010-19 SHO? I had one great car..can say that I never saw a separate add of any type. In 2020 (?) I had like 120,000 trouble free miles on it and sold it to a relative-who still has it. But before that I started looking for a CPO 2018-19 SHO. Nothing here in Northeast Then someone on this site suggested I look for a Fusion Sport or a 3.0 MKZ..Found a CPO 3.0, never knew anything about it ....Then I start reading all these online posts about what an unbelievable vehicle this 400HP AWD was..a true sleeper! Agree..another example of a vehicle ignored by Ford marketers. Last year I bought an extended Ford warranty package and I'll never hit it..in part because I love driving my Coyote 150. But my sons can decide what to do with it someday😎

Ok thx for response

Could clarify OAP numbers in particular HD. What is HD? 650-750 or 600, 650 750 In any case appreciate what you do for sure.

Seems to me I did see an earlier version that did not have the snorkel-which to me was always used for vehicles that might be "Fording"😀...But would it help with dust ? Seems like it would to some degree as long as you are the first vehicle kicking up dust. As for dust, what about a "pre cleaner" someplace that provides quick access so you could routinely and easily blow it out with air or water. For sure a bigger problem for our Aussie friends than us. If it comes to the US, make it a smaller size package-super cab or conventional cab that capitalizes on its towing capabilities as well as GVW appealing to commercial/ag markets. Forget about the "look at me crowd"..let them buy the aftermarket crap on their own.

Well I hope he looks at Tahoe, Escalade and the GMC versions with their crisp looks instead of the current "chunky"-can't think of a better word-look then they currently have. this guy came from Riviana? If so look at the Rivian SUV too..also much better IMO than the Lincoln versions.

How does it run. regardless of what you are hearing?

For sure..he has to understand that..although at times he says stuff and I scratch my head. Key question how many Ford/GM/Stellantis plants are running at capacity? But again, IMO key point that is never mentioned is just how did we lose so many manufacturing jobs? Everytime I hear a CEO or owner explain why he outsourced his manufacturing operation, it is the same thing... "I could not compete with my competitors who outsourced oversees- I had to follow suit as I could not compete with my labor costs, governmental compliance issues etc. Of course before the election Shawn Fain, head of UAW could not stand Trump and vice versa. Now they are sharing the same Kool-Aid. We will see how long that lasts. To say nothing of the fact that to make the economics work, more automation can be justified as well as more streamlining of the option list I would imagine. Fain really won big with his John Deere contract. Only one problem with that. Every day I read about a new Chinese entity entering the construction equipment market in this country. Hope the Deere workers enjoy their new package while they can.

And that is my point. The fired up nut jobs turn out at primaries and too many don't pay attention and they stay home. Trump didn't have the stones to debate Haley..he figured he didn't have to. And he was running against the weakest ticket ever. He got a lot of Dems and Independent votes, not as votes for him, but as votes against two clueless people. Too many people stayed home instead of voting in the primaries.

I'm all for the two party system. If there is a lesson in this, it speaks to the benefits of the primary system IMO. Not enough people pay attention to the primaries. A good primary system should produce a consensus for both sides. IMO Haley was a home run...grew up in a working family and was involved in her family business. Did a good job as a governor, and in my opinion I would take a governor any day over someone who served in congress...governors are like CEOs and have to make a system run. Stood her ground in the UN. She would have killed Trump in a debate, but I think he recognized that. And if nothing else she would carry the female and minority vote. I voted for Trump three times as the lesser of two evils and clearly there was no doubt that this time so did a lot of Dems and Independents IMO.

So after repeated "sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't" I guess I'll have to take it to dealer. Speaking of system updates, I assume you don't get a message when these are done?

Like Toby Keith said in one of his last songs-"Happy Birthday America"--words to effect.."when I go into town to vote, I have the choice of the lesser of two evils".

To your point, long front page story in WSJ yesterday..."Corporate Elation Over Trump Gives Way to Distress"....."CEOs and investors fret over what they see as whipsaw policy and complacency about risks of recession". I guess Trump's style may have worked when he was dealing with his own empire. Now when you are dealing with a huge economy where so many are responsibile for huge entities that need to know where they stand, like Ford from a reasonably long term perspective, a different story. From my personal perspective, I'm faced with decisions to satisfy my RMD. I would like to feel comfortable that what I'm selling now to satisfy that objective is based on some reasonable assumptions.

Joe, My bet is those 750's are gas powered jobs meant for light duty plow work-intersections, ramps, parking areas or maintenance work-just like Mass DOT that has similar 750s. Biggest reason Ford gets these orders I would bet is they are far cheaper than any F'liner or International as up until now at Ford offers the only gas engine in a class 6 or 7 conventional cab. With the release of the 6.7 Cummins gas engine that has changed, although I would have to believe that it will be a more costly option than a 7.3 powered 650/750 . But some agencies might be willing to pay the premium for that engine for the sake of fleet commonality given the class 8 trucks in their fleet. While I don't know what the 7.3's torque curves are, the Cummins gas engine does put out significant torque at lower RPM. That capability might justify its premium over a 7.3. Also as long as Ford refuses to offer air brakes in a gas powered 650/750 that will be another benefit the Cummins provides in a class 6, 7 truck.

Hah How true on the Renault connection. As for your railroad days, talk about consolidation. As a bit of a buff I remember the Alco, FairbanksMorse,GE, EMD days. When I was in college my winter/"spring" breaks were spent working in a wholesale beef plant. We got swinging beef delivered by truck and rail. NY, NH & Hartford RR. RS-1 Alcos. Green & Orange!

I'm used to seeing an occasional UPS F-650 during my trips on I 495 which is the outer most beltway around Boston but the other day I saw 4. At least one was new as instead of old school mirrors it had the large "aero" mirrors supported by one lower mounting arm.

Jim Farley recently issued a statement on the likely need for consolidations throughout the industry. He also made this statement; “And it’ll be cascaded by region. I think that’s pretty easy to see. I think the more likely scenario is partnerships. We learned a lot from Volkswagen. After 120 years, we have a lot of partnerships. Ford Otosan has been one of the stellar partnerships we’ve had. We’ve learned a lot about what works and doesn’t on partnerships.” First time I've ever heard Farley or anyone at Dearborn make a statement that Ford Otosan exists!

7M, I remember whenCummins announced those V6/V8 engines in the 60's. The code word for these was Vim and Val-not sure which was the 6 or the 8. I did not think they ever were offered in a Ford as that article implies. And for sure I don't think they had any relationship to the later V-8 midrange Cummins which I believe initially were offered at 210 HP and 220 Hp and then they "morphed" into the 555..Triple Nickel. We had a lot of the 210's in White 9000 single axle tractors and Mack steel nose DM's that met NYC specs ..3000 gal steel tanks. When I became my region's vehicle staff guy I replaced the Whites with Louisvilles-LN-9000's. 6-71's at 238 HP and Rt-910 RR. The drivers loved the change. I think I paid under $20,000 for those- I think 1972-73...Hard to believe.

Update I did disconnect BMS and next morning I had interior and dash lights but short lived- doing it again. Made an appointment for Monday, but just had to cancel. But interesting, truck went into service 9/23, currently has 12,500 miles. When I called to make appointment, "service person" says, " I'll have to check if it's covered by warranty" at which point I said "are you kidding? with all the publicity Ford gets on software issues and you are telling me you have to check on warranty for a vehicle with 12,000 miles and 16 mos in service?" She confirmed it was. this morning when i got in it, no lights. Drove it about 8-10 miles today and went out to confirm mileage..lights worked🤔

Which was a complete flop I do believe. As were the small V-8 diesels. They had the sense however to pull the plug on them before they alienated too many customers.

Check out this picture of the 6.7 Cummins gasser. Can't figure out what that is on right side of engine??? Cummins’ First Gasoline Engine Debuted for Kenworth Medium-Duty Trucks Don McLoud Mar 10, 2025 The engine runs on 87-octane gasoline and achieves diesel-like performance, Cummins says. Kenworth Kenworth will soon offer Cummins’ first gasoline-powered engine, the B6.7 Octane, in its Class 5 to 7 conventional trucks. The engine for medium-duty trucks runs on 87-octane gasoline and achieves diesel-like performance, Cummins says. It has a horsepower range of 200 to 300 and torque up to 660 foot-pounds.

I think to a large extent, Rav 4's success is just another reflection of Toyota's reputation for quality/durability..vs Ford's ever presence in the news with recalls.

Well if the Coyote is too tall, for sure Bob Wolf and others have been getting wild numbers out of the 7.3 have they not???

Well Cummins announced availability of the gasoline version -87 octane- of the 6.7. 660lb-ft of torque. I'm sure it will be far more costly than a 7.3 Ford but checknout this response from Paccar; Cummins says the engine has undergone 2 million miles of testing. It was the first B Series engine built on the HELM platform, designed to reduce emissions, increase fuel efficiency and able to be modified to run on alternative fuels. HELM stands for “Higher Efficiency, Lower emissions and Multiple fuels” and was launched in 2024 to help customers adapt to future emissions requirements and meet emissions-reduction goals. “The engine was validated against the same standards as Cummins diesel B6.7 engine,” said Kevin Haygood, Kenworth’s assistant general manager for sales and marketing manager. “With environmental regulations changing, it spurred us to offer another engine option to our customers. The new Cummins B6.7 Octane engine will meet stringent emission regulations, so we expect it to be a popular option in California and other states that have adopted CARB’s standards. It can be a great fit for many of our customers’ applications, especially in P&D (pickup and delivery) and towing applications. We also see it being popular for the lease and rental markets, as well as for landscapers, where those behind the wheel are used to driving gas-powered vehicles.” As I've said more than once, Ford was in a good position to push the 650/750 7.3 on the west coast. But no- I'm afraid those that say Ford is done with class 6 and 7 are correct. The move of class 6 and 7 from Bluediamond to OAP was just to placate UAW during last negotiations. The air brake debacle and the fact they wouldn't spend any money on that but just offer BS excuses says they are done. Fordman...guess I'm done standing on the hill🤔

Made appt at dealer. stay tuned