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I just hope that a HUD is an option if it's going to add cost. I had it in my LaCrosse and it was cool and I just drove around for a few days with my loaner XT4 and it had it too, but for me I and the wife, we just don't care about them. We would personally like to put the money elsewhwere. If it's a couple hundred cool, toss it in but any more than that I'd rather hope and pray for black packages to spend the money on. Or in the case of my wife, double up the subwoofer and amp power... ?

Agreed. I hope that's exactly what happens! And it would be smart. I look to the crystal ball...

I can't wait to see what an interior refresh would look like. We decided not to wait and ordered our 2020 BL. If the dealer would have told me that, we might have waited. That being said, one of the things I like the most about the Nautilus right now are the headlights. So if they changed them to the upflaring ends I would like them less, but that's just me. However, if a new Nautilus looked like the BL Destination theme on the Aviator, I think we would bite the bullet and take a bath and get the 2021.... It seems odd that they would do another refresh when they just did one for 2019. My experience has always been 3 year cycles for refreshes and 5 to 6 year cycles for total redesigns for most cars but maybe LIncoln is different. I certainly think its smart when that center console gets the biggest amount of flak on the reviews as being "dated". Of course the reviewers say the screen is "dinky" at 8" and don't say anything about all the other cars with 8" screens. Totally agree that the new Lincolns finally are turning heads more than ever. I really liked my test drive in the Nautilus and so did my wife. Right now I'm driving a loaner XT4 Cadillac and I'm not impressed overall. Nice perky little car and great tech but it feels hollow as compared to the SRX we had or the Lincolns. Way too many lines going on in the cabin, weird controls (pushing a button upwards for more whatever -ugh), brakes vague and not strong enough, weird feel when you go over small potholes... etc. Absolutely would not buy that car. The only cool thing is that when you turn, the side lights up like my XK did (never saw that before) and when I got near a school zone I got an audio and screen notification - that's cool.?

Wow that looks great. Thank you photomeister. Yeah dabbing those bright spots out is time I'll never get back ?. I'm glad I didn't show my wife my hack job, I'm going to copy your pic and send her that this morning. Thanks

Thanks! I'm a digital hack newbie so I don't know how that can be done quickly as my mind works in 1989 Atari/Amiga bits. I think the Chrome emblem has to stay, the surround is still up in the air but I think she's going to keep that too, unless she wants the lower fog light chrome area vinyl blacked wrapped out. here's another dead on front view grill change I did spotting out the chrome reflections... Really liking the black. The Nautilus look has really grown on me. At first I didn't even look at it but the more front end shots I saw of it I really started to love it, especially the headlight design, and lack of big bow-tie vents on the bottom left and right. Sick of that look like on a Acura.

yes actually I did that (created a pic leaving the emblem) and accidentally blew it off. It takes so long to do that I just didn't have the patience to recreate keeping the chrome emblem. Wife says the same thing, she wants the emblem to stay in chrome. BTW, the body shop says it's like a 4 hr job to get at the grill because they have to take off the bumper just to get at the grill. Sucks.... Then I'd have to leave the car at the body shop while I wait for the powder coating to be done. Enormous PITA. I don't think you can get anything behind the grill to mask off the radiator if one wanted to try and mask off the outer surround and emblem, and possibly try spraying plastic-dip on the grill itself in black (Pink on Mary K models...?). Don't know if it would stick to the satin finish though... may look cheesy, may come right off.

I appreciate the comment. It made me think of with or without chrome grill surround. Not a chrome hater, but I definitely don't like chrome wheels anymore. Our lame duck FPace had the ability for a full black out so we chose that. Our ordered Nautilus doesn't have that option unfortunately so as stated we're going to get the wheels coated first, then make up our mind on the grill. The picture of the navigator in their black package keeps the chrome surround. Personally I like it but either way is fine with me. But, it's ultimately going to be the wife's choice. Since she can't visualize for nothin', and we changed from Burgundy to White, I had to make another modified pic giving her the choice of just a grill blackened and keep the chrome or go full black grill plus surround and emblem. I don't even know if they are able to be separated but I guess we'll see down the road. So I made these 2 pics with black wheels too and what seemed like stone tools and bearskins (ugh pixel by pixel ?) and she chose the Navigator look with keeping the chrome surround. I found that pretty interesting as our Jag grill is full black, I thought she'd stay with what she's used to. Here's the 2 shots, plus Navigator again. I'd like to know what you guys think. Thanks to rmc523 for digging up the Navigator pic

The one thing I wonder that may slightly skew results is the people buying the cars. I'm 60 and for anyone my age wanting to buy a new car that costs over $50k or in the case of a BL Lincoln more near the $70k range I think our expectations are going to be higher. Anyone who shells out the $70k to buy a higher end Jag, LR, Mecerdes, etc is going to expect it to be God-like. But someone who buys a cheaper well equipped Asian car may never have had the luxury of owning a true high-end car. Those persons may be still on the car-honeymoon and easier to please - it's the nicest car they've ever owned, so they may be happier, and more than willing to report they like their car. Just a thought I bring to the courtroom any of my employees I've had. They're all younger (35 to 40 yr old range) and the last thing they think about is a new car. I'm a car guy - I can spot any nice car a mile away, I don't know why but any car that's nice is like a beacon coming down the road at me and I notice them, and admire them. My employees though wouldn't notice or care if a train of Rolls Royces and a few exotics drove by them. Seen it plenty. I'll say "look at THAT (some super nice car) and I have to specifically tell them what I'm looking at. They haven't had the chance to relish some of the nicer things in life yet. One of those guys then got a job where he was looking at making some real money. He calls me up wanting to know my opinion of his (new) car choice he was thinking of getting and affording... now cars have opened a crevasse in his mind. Cars are now important and to be enjoyed. It was quite interesting to see that transformation. And if he got said car, I'm sure he'd be happier than a 13yr old girl with her first cell phone. And he would report that it's awesome because he's never had that before to compare... I'm sure Lexus deserves to be where they are, but some of the others... I dunno. ?

Hard to believe. Then I looked and was easy to find.... ? Oct. 24 (UPI) -- Tesla, Cadillac and Volvo brand vehicles were at the bottom of a new reliability survey released Wednesday by Consumer Reports.

Totally agree. I've never even considered a Lincoln before, and the funny thing is the whole reason I even LOOKED at a Lincoln was for the stereo!!! Crazy as that sounds, I was sick and tired of listening to my wife complain about the Meridian stereo in her FPace. Being married to a sound engineer she's even more picky than me! So I researched what car stereo STOCK is great, and possibly even better when upgraded. And the first thing that popped up was the Lincoln Revel system! Okay... well let's look at that! So that led us to listening to the Ultima system in an Aviator and we were sold, at least on the reality that you can buy a really good car stereo stock. Next up was actually convincing my wife to test drive a BL Nautilus which was an act of Congress, but it worked and now we're waiting for our lovely car to be built. While we've always been Jag fans, the problems of Jags and LR's are steep. I was super interested in the new I-Pace, but you read the forum problems and there's just no way I'm going to consider that car. It seems like American cars for the most part are more reliable. My ELR is super reliable! I look forward to having all American cars again, Which will be a Lincoln, a Cad and a Dodge Promaster...

I just gotta rant here! Why is it that there's so many reviewers out there that say stuff like "well it's a good car but you may want to look at so-and-so"? It is so biased. I'd say at least half there reviewers out there are biased dumbbells, who can't realize they are fanboys of another brand, and have to mother hen you about what car to buy. As a person wanting to spend tens of thousands of dollars perhaps on a new car, the reader is most likely a car person anyway, and is interested in the car being reviewed, not someone's bias to another brand and the reviewers attachment to it's styling or speed, whatever. I've read countless Nautilus reviews where the guy says the reader should look at "more desirable" other brands. Who says they're more desirable? Just because they're more desirable to the reviewer doesn't mean they're more desirable to a person liking the looks, styling and other possibly unique characteristics of the car reviewed. What happened to the good ol' days where you might just like a car's styling and not another "uh, desirable" car from someone else? Audi and BMW seem to be the worst offender of brands that I'm told might be "better" but it's like we're not allowed anymore to like a car based on our personal preference of what styling looks good, and personally the wife and I don't like the stylings of the mentioned 2. Nice to see American cars are looking very nice these days, at least to us. It would be great if the reviewers just stuck to good points of the cars and just point out anything bad like "the transmission is horribly jerky" or "very noisy ride" something like that. I could be wrong here but even in the Doug Demuro reviews, he seems to have pulled it back a little bit and gives praise where it's due and stays away from the negative more than he used to. I think it's a wise move.

Yeah before we actually signed on the dotted line and ordered our Nautilus, we went out to the dealer parking lot one more time. My wife REALLY wanted that deep red color. She finally was going to accept the darker real world color which would be the color most of the time in the grayer NW. We saw it in bright sun the first time and it still didn't look up the deep candy apple red, then on a dark day in which it looked drab purple, but that last day we saw it on a brighter cloudy day and it looked brown ?! It wasn't just me, my wife and saleguy even agreed that it looked more brown than red or purple, or the Burgundy it's supposed to be. So that did it for her, she ended up going with white. The new Pristine white of which we still haven't seen yet. I've never seen a color that looked so different in different light... My advice to anyone wanting the Burgundy is, if you want that color, don't order it unless you live in a really sunny climate.

I hear you. I don't like the Tesla interiors at all and after talking to a Tesla mechanic and hearing how expensive suspension fixes are - no thanks! I actually am near the same page as you - I drive a Cadillac ELR PHEV, so I get my green, but gas when I want it, and I get 35 mpg when I do choose to run on gas or the battery runs out. It solves a lot of problems for me since I drive so much living in the burbs now. But the biggest reason I bought the ELR wasn't the fact that it was electric or gas, it's because of the luxury interior which is stellar. I didn't care really about ultimate power, it just needed to be as fast as the electric car it was replacing which was a BMW i3. As far as I know, at least at the time of buying my used 2016 at the beginning of the 2019, it is the only real luxury car that can get 40+ electric (I get near 50 in the summer) AND run gas whenever wanted. It does feel good whenever I'm stuck in traffic or at a long line that I'm just sitting there not using any gas. Really wanted to wait for the Corsair and the hybrid availability for the wife's car but she put her foot down and said no "Black Label - no Corsair" ? after touching the interior surfaces of the BL Nautilus. That being said, I'd love to go green in a Lincoln but when a battery upgrade like to Grand Touring in the Aviator is going to cost $12,000 more, it kinda takes the wind out of the sails. I'm curious to know what it's going to be in the Corsair.

Holy Cow!!! ? That looks freakin awesome! Well I uh didn't know you could get a Navigator like this! I never shopped for one so didn't know. Let me rephrase my statement - I am bummed that we couldn't order our Nautilus like that! Now I know it's just me, but for me the blackened Nav look way better -Love it!!!? Thanks for sharing that!!! ?

Personally I totally agree with everything you said, leave the tech stuff you expect to find on a high end vehicle - gotta come standard. But give us the option of the tow package that not a lot of people are going to use, and of course leave off the $1995 lincoln Play rear seat - let's have the soccer mom's with good car taste and kids to talk Dad in to that one... I have to say the biggest bummer about ordering the Lincoln products is the unavailability of ordering a black package like other manufacturers offer, It sells cars and there's a LOT of people who like the blacked out wheels, grills and overall chrome. We would have absolutely ordered our car like that and I have promised the wife I'll do whatever it takes to get at least the grill and wheels powdercoated asap. Especially that grill, I like the shape and size, but the brightness of it makes me think of someone smiling at me with gold teeth.... Probably just me....?

No offense, but that combo sounds odd to me ?, or at least not very saleable. I would bet that most people who want a luxurious interior like power to go with it. At the highest levels like Bentley and Rolls, they're known for luxury coming with power - lots and lots of it. I don't think there would be any of those customers expecting a small engine, although it would of course be true if you can afford those cars you probably wouldn't care about gas prices. And if you really had a bunch of money and really want to go green you're probably going to but a Tesla anyway. Alternatively, I bet there's not a lot of people buying a Prius who are pushing their salesguy for a luxury interior.

I saw a white Velar this morning so close to what we're going to do, which is white with the black wheels. It is stunning. However, while the Velar interiors are nice, they don't ooze the quality level of the Black Label. I have sat in the Velar a few times. I also had a new LR Discovery sport as a loaner a few months back, and while quiet and nice, there's just no ooh-ah that raises the flagpole. Kinda boring, like it's just a nice machine to get me to one place from another. With the BL, I just get another level of enjoyment out of the leather, at least being in the one the dealer had. And the Nautilus just has a fatter cushier feel that we both enjoyed. Not for everyone like corner divers, but definitely for me and it won my wife over who is a hardcore Jag fan. Our lovely FPace went on Cargurus just a few hours ago.... ?

Oh I forgot! So while questioning the wisdom of placing the smaller 2.0 engine in BL models where you want it to be your top shelf car, apparently the folks at Lincoln now feel the same way. I was told that for MY 2020, the BL Nautilus will only be available with a 2.7. So there you have it. ?

Funny thing happened on the way to the forum.... the wife remembers that because she's short, it's way easier to use roof rails to grab onto and stand in a door frame to wash the upper parts of the car. So we were about to order a pre-built car out of L.A., but it didn't have rails and all of a sudden she HAD to have them. We looked at the with and without look, and I had to agree that it looks better with them. So that blew off any chance of getting a closer pre-built car. The next closest was in Louisiana and that would be a big shipping bill, and as well adds a towing package and the extra charge which we would never use. We've never mounted anything on a car roof in 36 years of being together so rails are look and car washing ease only...? So we bit the bullet and ordered a 2020 BL White (Pristine White) Nautilus with everything but the tow package. There's crap for incentives when ordering a brand new model year which sucks, but still, any European car is going to $5000 to $10,000 more for like equipment. And we just don't like the styling of anything else out there especially Asian designs (uh cough.. Lexus SUV grill.. cough). When the second the car is on the way it will go right to a local wheel shop where we will Powder coat the wheels in gloss black! There's no way it's going to be 6-8 weeks with the holidays coming on but I sure as heck hope I'm wrong. Hoping that it can be right about X-mas time and little elves will have chiseled a sweet looking tight lined car for us! ?

While ordering our 2020 Nautilus yesterday, I couldn't help myself to sit in the Aviator once again and take it all in. The Black Label one right outside the salesguy door had the Chalet theme. I don't even like white interiors nor white really anywhere inside a car and yet it was so awesome and so impressive that I couldn't help wish I could get ANY of the Aviator themes (even white!) and look in the Nautilus. It's just so nice and so refreshingly different. While we love the Thoroughbred theme we're getting in the Nautilus, I really applaud the interior design efforts of the Aviator it's awesome. I consider myself lucky that they DIDN'T have one in the Destination theme or else our heads would have exploded ? and knowing my wife she would have wanted to go into more debt and get the bigger Aviator even though she doesn't want a car that big!

Great news! I am really curious to know how you like it, and how different it looks in person as compared to pics. The wife and I learned the Nautilus looks totally different (better!) in real life than it does in the pics. And it looks different and size seems to change as you go around the car, really weird, but cool.

Yeah flying there was definitely an option within 1000 miles, IF my lovely wife deemed the Nautilus could compare to the FPace-S, and we could find a built one to her liking! And so as mentioned yesterday, we went to the local (thank goodness I'm that lucky to live close to one) and the wife drove a 2.7 BL Nautilus! So this whole time she's been really on the fence because she loves her Jag, and the look and power. Even though she's actually looked and sat in the BL she still has been on the fence. Trying to get her to test drive the Nautilus has been like pulling teeth! But I finally got her to do that. And here's the result - she came back with a big crap eating grin and 2 thumbs up!!! She was really impressed. The power: She is used to the biggest engine FPace and although there was a hair of turbo lag, she was totally happy with the power and acceration - and that's in Comfort mode, not sport mode! The ride : Totally blows away the FPace in ride quality but of course it's designed to be a supple ride so I understand that the FPace is designed to be more of a sports car and has to suffer with the stiffer ride to satisfy corner diving speed freaks. My wife thinks she drives like that but she doesn't. She was very impressed how it drove overall. Soaking up bumps: Totally killer ride for dealing with road imperfections. This is really amazing because unless my lovely wife gave me 2 thumbs up, I would find it super hard to believe that a 21" wheel could give a great ride... Kudos to Lincoln. Interior material quality: Well that's a given, the Thoroughbred theme tickles both our fancies and the leather quality is awesome and even more so the seats, of which she claimed were incredible and blow away the FPace seats, even though the Jag seats aren't bad by any means. Stereo: well it's going to be obvious that the Ultima version is going to rock and will silence FOREVER her complaining about the car audio. I will win big on that. Door look: Way nice, mainly because the leather is so good. I like the Aviator door better but she won't go down that bigger car road. Tech: She will enjoy the 360* camera and suspect it will be something she can't live without in the future. I'm not sure if she'll ever use the Park Assist, or even the ACC but I know it adds to resale value. I will say that I only gave this whole deal about a 50% chance and a weak one at that. But after test driving it she totally threw in towel and is onboard to get a BL Nautilus. She won't even consider the Corsair now (we still haven't seen one) solely for the fact that it does not have a BL tier model... yeah she's spoiled alright. So today we're going down to order one and have decided to build one and wait, and get get exactly what she wants. We'll save some money and not get the tow package. I think we're going with just about everything else and going either Burgundy or White. I'm excited for the wife, I like seeing her happy and I might even get to drive it here and there...? I'd like an opinion, what do the masses think of roof rails? Hit or miss? Adds a good look or takes away from the sleekness? What color makes the most sense for resale - Burgundy or Tri-coat White? Thanks

So I called the Lincoln concierge after posting and the gal I got was really awesome and very helpful. First thing I said was that I was frustrated that I couldn't search for a car for any more than 100 miles from a dealer, and for me to have to dig up zip codes and dealers and then have to look was a real PITA. She did confirm that that's the only way you can do it if you're a mere mortal, other than going to a dealer or having the concierge do it (which they gladly will). I also confirmed there was a very low number of BL Nautilus's anywhere near me ?. I gave her a short list build and she said there were plenty around so I decided to go the dealer and build one there and have him look. My lovely wife has now partially thrown in the towel and will possibly accept the tri-coat white instead of every getting a real red Nautilus so we found several white BL ones with the options we want and no tow package (why pay for it if you'll never ever use it?) within a respectable distance (under 1000 miles). Yes it will suck we'll have to pay to ship it, but at least it's something I can tell my wife, that there is a already built one waiting for us if she decides to make the jump from FPace to way nicer interior Nautilus. We both agree that the Jag wins the looks dept but can't keep up with the BL leather and door look. Plus, if we get a fully loaded BL then we also get the massaging seats, 360* camera and a stereo that sounds miles better than the base Meridian. Personally I love the Jag grill, but I like everything else about the Nautilus front end better (lights and bottom of front end). We will do whatever we have to, to blacken the grill out and powder coat the wheels too. While building would be preferred and save the secondary shipping, we don't want to wait and get a car in the dead of winter when we may need the AWD capability. I think it would be worth it to pay the money and get a car that's already done and almost dead on what we want. One dealer said real world 12 weeks to be safe, the other said 10 weeks to be safe... I would think that after finally getting a deal going and getting on the list and all the internal machinations aside that 6 to 8 weeks to Portland seems like cutting it close.... But anyway, today I finally have convinced my wife to actually test drive the 2.7 so today's the true test for her leadfoot and stoplight Gran Prix driving techniques. So we'll see. I spent a lot of last night reading about the Corsair and there's really a lot of respect from most reviewers for that car. I think any hard plastics are going to turn her off but then again, there's a lot in the Jag too so who knows. I'll know here in a few hours what the verdict is - can a sweet high-end Nautilus compare in it's own way to a FPace-S... ?. While yes it would be nice to know they'll come and get the car and all, it is nice to know we're just a few miles away from the BL dealer here in Portland should my wife want to go over the wall. Thanks for all the posts locating more Nautilus's! ?

I guess so... On the FPace forums there's many a FPace owner who also have Corvettes or can't stop talking about the new one coming out. Also a lot of people getting the new FPace SVR, or talking about that's what they're going to get. Maybe there's a disproportionate number of FPace owners that are power freaks. I'm definitely NOT one of those people, but still, I drove the 2.0 and I would want more power, and know for sure my wife would. So for us it's the bigger engine or nothing... The proof is in the puddin' though, if that's what they're ordering I guess that a smaller engine and saving a few bucks is what they've learned sells best. I don't get always having to pay for the tow package though, how many people tow things? I would always use a bigger vehicle if I truly need to tow something. Another head scratcher for me, but maybe there's a lot of people who actually use that. I NEVER see anyone with a nice car towing something around here... always pickups towing things or RV's of course...