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So I see Ice-capades posted Ford " delivery milestones glossary " which says Plant Hold ....... I have a few questions if anyone knows the answers I would appreciate them sharing if Ford will let you. I have a vehicle "in production" on Ford Order Tracking. Does the fact that it is in some form of delivery hold mean the vehicle is basically built but they can't deliver it for some reason defined in the glossary above? Or could a "plant hold" be a chip hold? Next: My vehicle has been on plant hold for 50 days with multiple ETAs passing by. Last week I talked with Ford and they said they saw no holds and that it was still progressing in production with and ETA of next week. (while still showing up on hold on online trackers. They couldn't tell me if ETA meant estimated build date or delivery. Does anyone know what Ford customers service means when they say ETA (besides perhaps don't call us for 2 more weeks)? Is it ETAS for a built date or am I built and in some stage of delivery?

If planning on visiting in the next 2 days there is a production hold due to shortage. The tour is OK but not as fun as when it is running. I went today cause I had a blend date but found out that at the end of last night's shift they are no hold for 3 days. https://www.thehenryford.org/visit/plan-your-visit/tickets-and-hours/#nonproduction

Someone else here may have known this and this may be Old news but didn't find any reference to it listed. So I went to take the river rouge factory tour today. Had a blend date for today. I didn't really expect to see "my" truck built but thought it would be cool to be there the date it was put together. The line was closed down. Talking to the tour guides it was an unscheduled stopage due to supply shortages. It is supposedly lasting till Friday when the line will restart. The tour was still pretty cool but a little disappointed. Lots of different trucks half produced on the line. I would have loved to know that it was going to be down when I bought my tickets last week but when I checked the non-production dates at that time April 5th wasn't on the list. It is now though. After 8 Months wait what is another3 days? https://www.thehenryford.org/visit/plan-your-visit/tickets-and-hours/#nonproduction The non-production dates for 2022 are: All Sundays December 24, 2021 – January 2, 2022 January 17 February 11-12 February 14-19 February 21- 24 April 4 -7 April 15-18 May 28-30 July TBD September 3-5 November 24-27 December 24, 2022 – January 8, 2023

I too really liked the idea of the feature. With the F150 I haven't heard any official sources clearly state it. I have talked to my dealer who has talked to his regional sales rep. At this time neither of them can even answer if it is a full removal or just a prep kit like they are having placed on the Mach E. (see the mach e forums.) Expedition and Navigator also have the removal option. I hate to assume but if they are calling it a prep kit on the mach e and they are calling it a removal for the f 150 I worry it won't be added later. At the same time the ford authority web page had some articles stating that ford will ship vehicles without functions that are not safety related and they will be able to be added when parts are available. "As is the case with the Mach-E and F-150, dealers will be able to retroactively install Active Park Assist 2.0 when the necessary components to do so become available, though it’s unclear when, exactly, that may take place." https://fordauthority.com/2022/03/2022-ford-expedition-will-also-drop-active-park-assist-2-0-from-lineup/

Thanks for the info. I am excited to get my truck and make some road trips to see how it does. Using optics I can see how road glare could confuse it. as well as shadows. So that would be interesting to know as well. I did a search and Ford Canada says it has extensive coverage including in some national parks but could find no details either. I live in the Detroit metro area and before the Covid would cross over occasionally and would love to be able to bluecruise to Toronto when things opened up.

Thanks, I will have to see if that is true with the f150. My window sticker shows active park assist removal and a credit but no prep kit. Guess they may not have it for the f150. I will talk to my dealer. Not that it will make a difference in whether I take it or not.

I know this is in the mach E forum but it applies to f150 buyers too. So I have been looking for documentation that it has actually been replaced with a prep kit. I have seen the news releases and posts here that it will be removed and a credit applied. Does anyone have documentation that it is actually something that we will ever be able to get added back to my build that is happening in the next few weeks? I heard rumors on another forum that there is a plan of it being added within the year, but with ford speculating that the chip shortage will run well into next year I don't know how much to believe that. I get why they did it and have no resentments. If they can get my my truck without it in the next few months I will be happy, but just would love to also have the full functionality of what I ordered.

As I understand it the blend date is when all the parts start to come together and the build date is the date the build is finished but the moderators may know better. Also there is a very detailed order process page that may have the information in it. I can't remember where I read that the blend date was actually when the drivetrain and body are scheduled to come together. That is when I am planning on visiting the rouge tour and trying to pretend I will see my F150 built. I have seen people post that their blend date changed on their window sticker too. I got an in production today and am awaiting a window sticker to show up in Ford order tracking. My guess is it will show up in the next day or two.

Hello, I am just curious if anyone has been using bluecruise and how you like it. Plusses? minuses? I know it doesn't work with lane markings obscured. Does yours work at night? Thanks.

So I am going to be putting on my rampant speculation hat here,? but I bet the parts of the lightning plant that they would be willing to show are not much different than what you can see in the ICE plant. I would guess the big differences would be "secret" for a few years. I am holding out hope still that a limited tour could be created. I never underestimate the power of doing it for the publicity while hiding the proprietary stuff behind walls. It is more about the experience than seeing every detail.

I have seen some vehicles going over the hill on the test track in years past but will have to look around more next time I am there. Thanks. My favorite car from the museum is always a toss up between the Gurney gt40 and the lotus. I have never been to the car shows there but have heard they are amazing.

I live close so I plan to visit with the kids the week of April 4th. That is when my truck will be built barring any more delays. I know the odds of me being able to identify my own build are slim. To many moving parts and trucks?. They only show parts of the production, but it is still awesome watching it all come together. You have to get timed tickets for entry. So reserve ahead after planning around build schedules, lunch times, and shift changes. It is mostly self guided and self paced. They still sell tickets for when the line is down due to shift cuts or lunch time. This is still interesting but clearly not nearly as cool as when everything is up and running. I took my father in law a few years before the covid and we spent 3 hours in there. The kids were going nuts and so we left but both of us could have spent twice as long. I too would love to see the lightning plant but bet that won't be part of the tour for several years if ever. Now forgive me for veering slightly off topic but someone else brought up the Henry Ford Museum and if you are coming you might want to make time to see this other stuff. I highly recommend the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village. I know it is not everyone's thing but I could easily spend days in there. The museum is dedicated to the industrial revolution and has a huge collection of things from early 1760s steam engine to modern vehicles. Planes trains, lightbulb machines and all kinds of industrial stuff. They have huge coal locomotives and a great collection of automobiles. Pre-covid they used to disassemble and reassemble a model T every day. The kids could go and help put a light on or insert a bolt. It was really cool for them.( I don't know if they still do that.) They also have an IMAX theater. Greenfield village is also part of the Henry Ford Museum sight site and is a great educational place when it is open in the summer. I think it is a separate ticket if you don't have an annual pass. They are more focused on daily life of peoples in the 18th and 19th century. They have glass blowing furnaces and make projects while you watch. They have working historic farms being managed with historic techniques. If your a city person and don't have much exposure to animals they have a great petting zoo and stable. If you like crafts there is section where they do demonstrations of a more industrial pottery production as would have been done in the period. They also have blacksmiths. You can ride in a model T. You may be lucky enough to be the kid who gets to use a train turntable to spin a 64 ton locomotive engine by hand. They have historic houses that have been brought in from around the world like Thomas Edison's lab. The restaurants are pretty good too. They serve historic recipes and some standard American fare. The Eagle tavern can be hard to get a reservation for but is worth it. Finally look at the schedules online. They often have old time baseball games, car rallies, civil war era canon and cavalry drills and stuff like that. https://www.thehenryford.org/

Husky is a brand of multiple aftermarket products such as wheel well liners, tray style floor mats, and mud flaps. I am looking at the Husky wheel well liners for my 2022 f150 when it gets built. I also want to have mud flaps added. Looked at the OEM ones and they don't seem to cover as much of the inner bed on the inside of the wheel well as much. In my humble opinion, I think the husky brand looks much nicer because of this.

Yep, That is why I say thanks for posting your information so we aren't completely in the dark.

I agree with akirby on this. I have a good friend who is a salesperson for Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, Jeep. (Sorry for those who think I was swearing) She says 2021 is getting her one of her best bonusses ever because their profit per vehicle is so high. They have sold most of their trucks (as special orders) before they hit the lot and they have an average lot time of 4 days for every other vehicle. They don't give discounts except where required by manufacturer and they have hefty markup if you didn't order it so they do really well when they get a vehicle that they ordered for their lot. In my humble yet synical experience, I have asked my dealer if he knows what is holding up my f150 platinum. I have tried not to bother them to much. I have contacted them about once every 3-4 weeks. They frankly admit that they can't be bothered looking at scheduling notes that ford sends out, ( and kinda were surprised I knew about such things). I get the feeling they would be happier if I left them for someone else so they can sell it for a bigger markup. If I hadn't invested so much time in waiting already I would go somewhere else. Now I plan to buy from them just so they can't add their ADM..... That is a long way of saying they aren't hurting to sell me a vehicle.

So who has both husky well liners an mud flaps? Am I safe assume Husky has done a good job of making these two products compatible as this seems like it would be a common combination? Thanks

Alright, That makes sense and thank you for that information.

So I really appreciate Ice-capades posting weekly scheduling notes. I have looked through the forums for some clarification on the what Ford means time wise when they release these scheduling notes. Are shortages meant to be just for that week and everything is back to normal the next week unless repeated? Ie. are dealers (and us lay folk) to assume that those shortages were fixed because they did not mention them the next week in scheduling? Or do they carry on until Ford publishes a new update for the specific vehicle. Example: Several times platinum f150s weren't being scheduled without Adaptive Steering. Then with no mention of Adaptive steering Ice-Capades posted on Nov 30th 2021: Very Limited Availability: DTP only content Plant Specific Content: Dearborn (DTP) 3.5L Hybrid engine (99D)Limited series (900A)Platinum series (700A/701A)King Ranch series (600A/601A)Tremor Series (400A-402A)STX Black Pkg (191)XLT Black Pkg (193)Lariat Black Pkg (195)Platinum Black Pkg (197)Max recline front seats (91S)Power Running Boards (18P, std 601A, 700A/701A, 900A)6" extended chrome running boards (18L)6" extended dark grey accent running boards (18S)Continuosly Controlled Damping (61D)Smoked Quartz tinted clearcoat exterior paint (TQ)Star White tri-coat exterior paint (AZ)Code Orange (CN) The following weeks had no mention of F150 so does that mean the adaptive steering isn't a shortage and until new notes on the f150 are mentioned the Nov 30th ones stand? Once again thank you for your efforts and I apologize if this is explained elsewhere and I couldn't find it. Finally happy holidays

Thank you for the reply. Hopefully it is just because it is in order processing and I will get a vin soon. And thank you and all the other moderators for your help.

Hello, I have been following the scheduling notes since I ordered a MY21 platinum F150 701A , PB Smoke Quarts in late August. I have seen several persons state that their Plat or KR orders went through after adding Adaptive steering to their order. So I dropped by my dealer last week and talked to them about it. First the Manager didn't really know about the scheduling notes. (thanks Ice capades for all your updates) So she said we can add the adaptive steering and see if that is the hold up. She said she had 3 other platinum orders that she was waiting on scheduling as well. None of them had AS ordered either. When she pulled my order up she could not add it. She then gave me great news and let me know My Priority had been switched to 2 along with the other platinums in her list. So does this make sense? Is the fact that it has been bumped to a 2 keeping us from changing it. I know that 2 is an awesome priority code in general but if there aren't making them without the AS added does this matter? Hopefully Ford will produce some steering wheels without the AS in it and schedule me if this is the case. Any thoughts? Thanks.

So I ordered an F150 several months ago and because it was taking so long I started to search out dealers with a similar build. With the shortage on trucks none of them wanted to honor x plan unless I lived locally. I guess they don't want a bad rap with the locals turning down x plan. Since I am out of town they didn't care. Plus they could sell it to some local for 2000 over msrp. I have a friend who is a dodge dealer and she says they are raking in the dough on trucks. Even though they have sold less numbers their profit margin is so high they are having a banner year for profit. With x plan they are not allowed to do a dealer markup. So you can see why they don't particularly care to do any of the plans unless it would make them look bad locally. So I guess I will wait a few more months for my f150 that has been rolled from a my21 to my22. ???

Of note another way to get x plan ricing is to own 100 shares of Ford stock for I believe 6 months. I believe you have to have the stock certificate registered in your name which doesn't happen if you hold it in a retirement account through a broker usually. You then can go through shareholder relations to have them generate a pin for you. Right now ford stock is 19 dollars so it may be a wash on some vehicles. 1900 dollars saves a couple thousand on an f150 once you deduct the initial investment. Plus if you were good enough to buy the stock at 5 dollars a year and a half ago you got 1400 dollars of price increase. Probably be valuable if you are getting more than one car or having product loyalty over the years. I believe shareholder relations lets you get 4 x plan per year but don't quote me on this. https://shareholder.ford.com/investors/resources/default.aspx