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Yes, I'm still waiting for Ford to offer what the Global Ranger has had for 2 years, 4A transfer case, rear seat vents, and ventilated front seats. Colorado/Canyon offer rear seat vents on 8 trims, ventilated seats on 5 trims, 4A on 6 trims. Toyota offers ventilated seats on 5 trims. With the 2.7 N/A till summer, I'd guess it's a 2025 option, so hopefully Ford will include these 3 features from the start for 2025. They could also offer the auxiliary switches from the Ranger Raptor on XLT, Lariat. Again GM offers auxiliary switches on 6 trim levels. I have long sold my 2018 F150 Lariat and waiting for a midsize to offer features I enjoyed on my fullsize. I was forced to put a 1998 F150 on the road for those few times I actually need to do truck things. So I'll just wait enjoying the much higher interest rate return on my savings.

How times have changed. I ordered my first new vehicle in the fall of 1975, a 1976 F150 Ranger XLT. Base price was $4671.00, total options $4095.80, shipping $279.00 for a total $9045.80. Final assembly was San Jose and shipped by rail. My truck arrived at the rail yard January 6 1976. My dealer owner/salesman drove me in and I picked up my truck and drove back 50 miles to dealership for PDI. Was pretty exciting for a teenager back then.

Thanks, after 33 yrs of Ford only, I bought my first Charger SRT8 new in 2007. We took a road trip west coast to east coast, US side one way, Canada side the other. Was super comfortable, and we had people coming up at gas stations from 10-80yrs old commenting on the looks, some even asking what it was. We liked it so much we bought this new Charger SRT392 in 2015 and have had O problems with either one. I've had this one at the track, bone stock down to tire pressure and ran a 12.8 1/4 mile at 2292 ft elevation. My first one with the 6.1, I had up to 164mph and this one 172mph, just like the old days when vehicles were governed by your right foot. This one has active exhaust that sounds sweet, and enough room in the rear seat for 3 teenage grandkids.

Mine is fairly large and low.

My '18 F150 Lariat 2wd had the same thing. 8 bolts and removed for every winter, put back on in spring, over 4.5 years never damaged it.

I don't know, I do know the GM puts out more hp and torque than the 2.7 Bronco from idle to 4000 rpm, and Bronco has a bit more power than the Ranger. Until we know the tune in the Ranger, it's a guess, and the speed the Ranger rollout has been on, it could be quite awhile, or you know exactly when late availability is? Do you honestly think the Nano 2.7L ecoboost will outperform the Tacoma i-FORCE MAX? How long are you going to keep your head buried in the sand waving the Ford flag when the competition offers so much more than Ranger?

Ventilated seats, rear seat vents, 4 auto available on competitors and global Ranger + in dash pop out cupholders. Plus, GM announced on July 28/22 they were offering 430lbft on reg fuel, and Ford had 10 months knowing what # to beat and they come up with 400 lbft with late availability on the Ranger already 18 months behind. Ford has the Bronco 3.0 with 406hp/440lbft on reg fuel which would have had class leading specs before Tacoma announcement and would still outperform Tacoma with 80 hp advantage. Ford has all this, not something that has to be developed and they refuse to offer it, at least on Lariat trim, and it would be extra profit dollars which I would classify as " just good business"! After waiting too long for the new Ranger, in Nov, I turned to GM to order a '23 Canyon and was told they were building '22s till end of Dec, and '23s starting in Feb '23. The called me early Feb and I priced an AT4 which they said could start build right away, I said ok, then they called back and said the order was held up, unless I agreed to cancel the AT4 premium package, otherwise the build would be held up 5 months or change order to Denali that I initially wanted but it had an extra 1" lift over the standard 2" lift which I wasn't thrilled with to start. Among the many things in the AT4 premium package is heated steering wheel and ventilated seats. To keep my order and get a year old truck in Sept/Oct wasn't happening, so I decided to wait and see what Ranger and Tacoma would offer, and still have the option to order a '24 Canyon if necessary.

I have seen you post here that you would like to move to Ranger but would require a 6' bed. I am downsizing from F150 Lariat to midsize and want features I had on my F150 that only Tacoma and GM offer. Any F150 owner that wants to downsize but retain F150 features is not being accommodated by Ford Ranger and I sure as hell don't want a Bronco. Ford removing content available in global Ranger that would match competitors features here, in your mind is just good business ??

Tacoma, class leading hp and torque for '24. Exterior on Tacoma and Canyon nicer than Ranger. Global Ranger has ventilated seats, rear seat vents, in dash pop out cupholders, 4 auto, that all should be on NA Lariat. Tacoma has awesome power tailgate, compared to the $2.00 engineering for Ranger tailgate. Ford has cheaped out on the Ranger and raised prices, I'm guessing they feel ICE customers don't deserve nice features but want our money to prop up the EV class.

And if I'm reading correctly, you pay for navigation and it's only good for 3 yrs?

Yes, and they have a couple different output ratings, and here in NA the 3.0 in the Bronco has more hp and torque and that tune should be offered in the NA Ranger.

On July 28/22, media.chevrolet announced the midsize getting the 2.7 with 430 lbft, and already are stating best in class torque on reg fuel. Ford has the 3.0 in Bronco with 440 lbft, 406hp on reg fuel, which if they offered would be best in class hp and torque, something they like to brag on in the the F150, and super duty classes. Ford has known for 10 months the number to beat and have the engine, so it would seem a no brainer to offer it!

I'm hoping Ford has been holding back info on the '24 Ranger, to then release it with coil spring rear suspension to match '24 Tacoma. Powertrain wise, if they carry over the 2.3 as base, then offer the Bronco 3.0 w/406hp-440lbft on regular fuel. that would best Canyon 430lbft on reg fuel, and best in class hp even if '24 Tacoma IMAX gets to 360hp and 400lbft.

For those wanting a super cab, I see on the mediaford site for South Africa, on Jan 25/23 they started building reg cab and super cab Rangers. Who knows it could happen here.

Agreed, could Ford be holding back info and surprise everyone by introducing the 2024 Ranger to NA market with coil spring rear suspension, beating the Tacoma to it. I'd be a taker, much better ride and control especially on washboard roads.

I realize that, is'nt the 2024 Mustang an all new 7th gen with 2 new engines, and Ford has released info on it!

You posted Oct 22, 2022 Mustang 2023MY job #1 for 12/07/2022. Sept15/2022 you posted 2024 Mustang product info. You posted Oct 22, 2022 Ranger 2023MY job #1 for 10/27/2022. Oct 27/22 Ford announced 2023 Super Duty "best in class" Gas and Diesel Horsepower and Torque ratings. So yeah, I thought Ford would release some "best in class" info on the 2024 Ranger, but perhaps they can't match let alone beat 2023 Canyon specs/capabilities which I find very disappointing. Ranger sales have been in the toilet for the past 4 months, and with no firm info on the 2024, only shows Fords lack of effort to want to be a contender in the midsize truck market.

I agree, after owning F series since '74, I decided to downsize and was really disappointed with the Ranger. Ridgeline has offered ventilated seats for a number of years and the 2023 Canyon offers them as well now.

last I read production of the unchanged 2023 NA Ranger was to end in May 2023 with next gen Ranger production starting, which would mean deliveries by this time 2023. To me that would mean NA specs are already decided upon and should start leaking out.

First off I'm comparing a Canyon Denali to a Ranger Lariat. The 2023 Denali interior looks at least as good as the next gen Ranger. I am not interested in the Ranger Raptor, which for the global market does not use a 2.7 but a 3.0 with 392hp and 430 lb ft. Now we're done.

GM is building the '22 twins till late December, at that point if there is no information from Ford on '24 Ranger engines or their offerings are sub par, I will order a GM. My first vehicle was a Ford F100 and have had only Ford trucks since, and would prefer a Ford but I won't buy something that is outclassed by a competitor. In the mid 2000's Chrysler/Dodge came out with the rwd Hemi cars and GM countered with the G8 and Ford had the AWD Taurus/500, instead of bringing the rwd Falcon. I waited a few years and purchased my first non Ford, a new 2007 Charger SRT8 for a summer driver, best decision I made, never had a problem, and was a great car for years. I then replaced it more with my current Charger SRT392, more hp and torque and active exhaust that makes great music. I don't just buy blindly, if the 2024 Ranger matches/beats GM in power, I'll buy one, if not I'll have no problem switching brands.

I remember well the late '70's, early '80's when the big 3's small block V8's produced 155-180 hp and 250-275 lb ft torque and people towed 5-8000 lb trailers through mountain passes. Back then the Dodge 360 was on top in both categories. akirby, you claim 275-ish hp is plenty for normal and spirited driving. I am curious as to why you passed on the 290hp/265 lb ft 3.3, and the 325hp/400 lb ft 2.7 on your F150 purchase? As for the next gen Ranger, Ford is in the same boat as when they introduced the Ranger in 2019. GM again has its' cards on the table with 310hp/430 lb ft in the midsize and Ford has the 392hp/430 lb ft 3.0 that they could and should offer optional in the non Raptor Ranger, matching GM's torque output and mopping the floor with them on HP. And, if the new Ranger is available for order in May 2023, one would think Ford would start releasing some performance numbers as to deter people from ordering the GM twins. The longer Ford stays mum on the the new 2024 Ranger engine specs, it would appear they are not looking to dominate that class as they do with the F150 and Superduty.

What is Wrong? The Maverick not competing with the Ridgeline is your opinion. I am downsizing from an '18 F150 Lariat and went to the Maverick as it is one of the shortest trucks available. I then cross shopped with the midsize. The Maverick and midsize trucks have close to the same size cabs with the Maverick having more rear seat room as I previously noted. Bed lengths are no different than comparing a 5.5'-6.5' in the full size. For towing the Mavericks 4K towing is comparable, as the GM twins and Ranger have 3.5K towing standard. A loaded Maverick is close to $40,000, not exactly inexpensive. I was comparing Ranger to current Colorado and Frontier. GM has had the 3.6-308hp/275 lbft since 2017. Ford brought the Ranger to market spotting GM the 38hp advantage. Nissan offered the 3.8- 310hp/281 lbft in the 2020 Frontier (old model). Consumer Reports, are the opinions of a few journalists and hold no more weight than yours or mine. I would not purchase a Tacoma because I don't like the styling or powertrain, and a lot of people would disagree, but as you said Tacoma is the class leader. I did not say the Ranger was a bad truck, just did not like the dated styling, and styling is subjective, not everyone sees things the same. The Ranger also has a lack of features, hell you can't even get a heated steering wheel which I have had in my Fords since 2011. I have not driven the Ranger because I would not buy the current one. I looked at the Santa Cruz in person and did not like the exterior styling and did not drive it either. There was never a Maverick at my dealers available for a test drive, either no stock or pre sold units. Your opinion of the Ranger and Maverick having plenty of power, tells me you're easily pleased and/or have never experienced the driving excitement of a powerful vehicle. Since I sold my '18 F150. I have only one daily driver, a MKZ Reserve ll AWD 3.0-400 hp/400 lbft, and my summer only Charger SRT 392- 485 hp/475 lbft and I can say they both do what they were designed for, transportation and driving excitement. And with the Charger when I turn it on it returns the favour. As for your Pantyline comment, I see it has out sold the Ranger in July and August this year. At end of Q2 The Frontier, Colorado,Gladiator, Tacoma have each out sold Ranger dramatically. As I have said, Ford just is not putting the same effort into the Maverick and Ranger as they do with the F150 and SuperDuty. Also, check out the Truck King youtube channel, to date they have tested 8 trucks 0-60 towing a tandem trailer, you might be surprised where the Pantyline ranks. With all the extra features available, if Honda offered their 3.0T-355 hp/354 lbft 10 spd in the Ridgeline I know where my dollars would go, unfortunately that is not happening for 2023. I am not thrilled with GM having the 2" lift standard on the 2023 twins, however performance is highest on my list. I do like the next gen Ranger but to date Ford has not mentioned any optional powertrains coming, and the 2.3, even at the global rating of 298hp/333 lbft won't sway me. If Ford offered the 3.0 in the standard Ranger as GM is offering their HO 2.7 in lesser trims, things would be different. But hey, enjoy your 2022 Ranger Tremor that you like.

As it stands, no I will not buy it. And I am not whining, just stating facts. It appears that Ford is only interested in selling high profit $20-25000 models rather than $40000 + models with class leading HP/Torque and features.

The AWD Maverick was designed to tow 4000 lbs, which is adequate for my needs. I am not expecting a more powerful engine to increase tow capacity, just make a more exciting drive. I know the size of the "compact" Maverick and it has more rear seat legroom and headroom than all the "midsize" trucks, 2.4" more rear legroom than Ranger. The other unibody truck, the Ridgeline is a close second, also more rear legroom than all "midsize", matches max headroom. The Maverick has a lower entry height, and a smaller turning circle, and is basically a foot shorter than all the "midsize". So for maneuverability it handily beats all the "midsize" trucks. I don't need the Ranger 7500 lb towing and the dated styling inside and out is reflected in the drastic sales decline this year, and it's remaining unchanged for 2023. As far as engine power, Ford only offers less than competition in Ranger and Maverick. The F150 and Superduty gas offerings are class leading in HP and Torque. The Ranger had most available torque, basically offset by the HP deficiency it gave up to Colorado and Frontier V6's. Now Colorado has class leading with 310/430 for 2023. Ford has a 2.3 310/350 they could drop in the Maverick that would give close to the same HP/Torque to weight ratio as a F150 with the 3.5 400/500 engine. It would seem like a no brainer and profitable also, offering it in only Lariat trim.