swenson88 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Then national healthcare is not the problem, our national government is the problem. Considering every other developed country has national healthcare and is doing well with it, it seems the problem in our case is our government. Not "socialized" medicine, which is the norm in developed nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted February 27, 2007 Author Share Posted February 27, 2007 Then national healthcare is not the problem, our national government is the problem. Considering every other developed country has national healthcare and is doing well with it, it seems the problem in our case is our government. Not "socialized" medicine, which is the norm in developed nations. Do you truly see that as the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savetheplanet Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 ONLY THE STRONGEST SURVIVE,Gods law-not mine.Why should we go against him?Clear the gene pool of the wreched and sick. Which God are you talking about? Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru? The problem IS our government, not socialized medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Then national healthcare is not the problem, our national government is the problem. Considering every other developed country has national healthcare and is doing well with it, it seems the problem in our case is our government. Not "socialized" medicine, which is the norm in developed nations. I would not say that Canada is doing well with national health care. The government is raking in a lot of cash. The poor are seeing the doctor a lot. I don't recommend it though. It could be bad for your health. The middle class is getting hosed. The US system may be bad, but the Canadian system is BAADDD!!!, especially if you are an auto worker, for example. I worked some overtime last week. My deductions totaled $1500. I took home $1900 out of $3400 gross. Is that what you want down there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I would not say that Canada is doing well with national health care. The government is raking in a lot of cash. The poor are seeing the doctor a lot. I don't recommend it though. It could be bad for your health. The middle class is getting hosed. The US system may be bad, but the Canadian system is BAADDD!!!, especially if you are an auto worker, for example. I worked some overtime last week. My deductions totaled $1500. I took home $1900 out of $3400 gross. Is that what you want down there? AMEN. Tell it like it is for those who think they know. I have relatives in the UK who will tell you the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc655 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 If we had socialized medicine the governments control over our lives would increase 10 fold or more. Imagine that they are responsible for paying all your health bills..whats the next logical step? they'll start regulating your health. what you should eat, what you should drink, how much you should weigh, where you should work etc etc. they may do that some now, but if they controlled healthcare than the "national interest" takes on a whole new meeting. if you think i'm joking read through hillary's proposal from back in the 90's. Socialized medicine, like social security, should be reserved for only those that truly need it. they should be true "safety net" programs and nothing more. I'll make my own health choices, thanky you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abach1969 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 we allready have socialized medicine in the usa. you go to your dr, he tells you that drug X to keep yourself able to work. but then the ins. co. says that you can't have that drug. you have to try this first then this one then when it is to late they let you have what the dr. wanted you to have any way. who went to school to learn how to heal people? the dr. , the ins co., the gov. who do want to get your medicial addvice from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebritt Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Then national healthcare is not the problem, our national government is the problem. Considering every other developed country has national healthcare and is doing well with it, it seems the problem in our case is our government. Not "socialized" medicine, which is the norm in developed nations. That's where you are wrong. Other "developed" countries are NOT doing it well.England, France and Cananda are facing big money problems with government healthcare. It could very well soon bankrupt those countries. And their healthcare is substandard compared to ours. And just what happens here to the "uninsured"? For the most part, they are taken care of. We pay higher costs because they are not turned away. Even illegals know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 An article from 'The Guardian' dtd Feb 1, 2005 This UK patient avoided the NHS list and flew to India for a heart bypass. Is health tourism the future? Three months ago George Marshall fretted about the choice offered by his doctor in Britain. Diagnosed with coronary heart disease, the violin repairer from Bradford was told he could either wait up to six months for a heart bypass operation on the National Health Service or pay £19,000 to go under the scalpel immediately. In the end, Mr Marshall chose to outsource his operation to India. Last month he flew 5,000 miles to the southern Indian city of Bangalore where surgeons at the Wockhardt hospital and heart institute took a piece of vein from his arm to repair the thinning arteries of his heart. The cost was £4,800, including the flight. "Everyone's been really great here. I have been in the NHS and gone private in Britain in the past, but I can say that the care and facilities in India are easily comparable," says Mr Marshall, sitting in hospital-blue pyjamas. "I'd have no problem coming again." The 73-year-old found the hospital in Bangalore after a few hours surfing the internet. Mr Marshall decided to come after an email conversation with Wockhardt's vice-president and a chat with other "medical tourists" from Britain who had undergone surgery in the hospital. "Once I knew others had come I thought, why not? In Europe hospitals in Germany and Belgium would do the operation for less than doctors in Britain. But Europe was still more expensive than here. And the staff speak English in India." With patients such as Mr Marshall willing to travel across the globe to get treatment sooner or more cheaply than they could at home, Indian hospital groups see a huge market for their services. THIS SHOULD END ANY MORE "THE GRASS IS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE" BALONEY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Funny a socialized medical system for the citizens of a country with an official state languange has to have a languange option on it's website, go figure! http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markfnc Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 This country now has 1 version of Government run health care. That is the VA (veterans Administration), and no one would argue that that is not a mess. Earlier someone said that all the other countries that have govt heath care are doing ok, and i would disagree. Let the market handle this, and it would end up like life insurance. Do you know how cheap you can get 500,000 inlife insurance for now? Privatize, let the buyer decide how much insuarnce they want. start with major medical, and add to it from there. you want a yearly check up, add $x a month. want prescriptions at $50 deducable, add $x per month. want $10 deductable add some more per month. Call 5 difernet insurance companies and get quotes. Het State Farm will give me that for $200/mnth, what can you do Allstate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted February 28, 2007 Author Share Posted February 28, 2007 This country now has 1 version of Government run health care. That is the VA (veterans Administration), and no one would argue that that is not a mess. Earlier someone said that all the other countries that have govt heath care are doing ok, and i would disagree. Let the market handle this, and it would end up like life insurance. Do you know how cheap you can get 500,000 inlife insurance for now? Privatize, let the buyer decide how much insurance they want. start with major medical, and add to it from there. you want a yearly check up, add $x a month. want prescriptions at $50 deductible, add $x per month. want $10 deductible add some more per month. Call 5 different insurance companies and get quotes. Het State Farm will give me that for $200/mnth, what can you do Allstate? I thought that was how a free market to make your own choices was. They government needs to keep out of it and in time we'll be alright. Surely better off than we are now or with them running it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishinguy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Do We Want Socialized Medicine? I dont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 Top Comptroller Says Medicare Could Bankrupt Treasury It's amazing nobody sees this. He is supposed to be the U.S.'s top accountant. I bet it won't be long before he resigns or loses his job. The U.S. government's top accountant says the law that added a prescription drug benefits to Medicare may be the most financially irresponsible legislation passed since the 1960s. Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, tells Kroft that this problem is well known among members of Congress. "Yes, they know in large measure, Republicans and Democrats, that we are on a course that doesn't add up," he says. And he acknowledges nobody is addressing the matter. Why? "Because it's always easier not to," Conrad says, "because it's always easier to defer, to kick the can down the road to avoid making choices … You get in trouble in politics when you make choices." "The fact is that we don't face an immediate crisis and so people say, 'What's the problem?' The answer is, we suffer from a fiscal cancer … and if we do not treat it, it could have catastrophic consequences for our country," he tells Kroft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 What happens if there is an epidemic affecting ten million Americans, and the treatment costs one million dollars each? Ten trillion dollars to health care would be more devastating than ten million deaths. Tough choices may have to be made in the future. With socialised health care there would be no choice. We would be bankrupt, and down the road, conquered and decimated by our enemies, who would have probably had a hand in causing the epidemic in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 (edited) "We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people" From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 20 - Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hastert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan. "I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe" Hillary in 1996" From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 76 - Hillary in 1996. Edited March 4, 2007 by unionj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERDEMOCRAT Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a fag ? nice conservative agenda, http://break.com/index/ann_coulter_uses_sl...hn_edwards.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 This country now has 1 version of Government run health care. That is the VA (veterans Administration), and no one would argue that that is not a mess. Earlier someone said that all the other countries that have govt heath care are doing ok, and i would disagree. Let the market handle this, and it would end up like life insurance. Do you know how cheap you can get 500,000 inlife insurance for now? Privatize, let the buyer decide how much insuarnce they want. start with major medical, and add to it from there. you want a yearly check up, add $x a month. want prescriptions at $50 deducable, add $x per month. want $10 deductable add some more per month. Call 5 difernet insurance companies and get quotes. Het State Farm will give me that for $200/mnth, what can you do Allstate? But they want them to take care of all of us, go figure. 'It Is Just Not Walter Reed' Hundreds of soldiers contacted The Washington Post through telephone calls and e-mails, many of them describing their bleak existence in Medhold. From Fort Campbell in Kentucky: "There were yellow signs on the door stating our barracks had asbestos." From Fort Bragg in North Carolina: "They are on my [expletive]like a diaper. . . . there are people getting chewed up everyday." From Fort Dix in New Jersey: "Scare tactics are used against soldiers who will write sworn statement to assist fellow soldiers for their medical needs." From Fort Irwin in California: "Most of us have had to sign waivers where we understand that the housing we were in failed to meet minimal government standards." Pretty sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Obama's church. Please tell me what would happen if this candidate was white and the word black in this doctrine was replaced with white. http://www.tucc.org/about.htm Hate to say it but the party of the so called union and goverment funded programs that supposidly will save us is starting to destroy it's chances once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 It amazes me how fast certain individuals from the past pop up when a statement is made about there monarch. They fire back with anything and everything they think is a good retort based on a mentality of "If you don't like this then you have to be that". Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a fag ?nice conservative agenda, http://break.com/index/ann_coulter_uses_sl...hn_edwards.html Boy did she screw up, or did she? But oh well she is only a citizen not a representitive of the people, Congressman, Senetor or even worse running for President. I think he is an asshole too but I am just a citizen also so is does not matter politically what I think or say because I represent me so my values and ideals will not effect millions. Edited March 5, 2007 by unionj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUCK Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 If we lose that, we lose what a Democracy should be. First of all the United State of America is a Republic not a Democracy. (Say the Pledge of Allegence....if you know it.) I only have one thing to say. Don't give up fredom for security. That is not why this country was started. Ever hear of taxation without representation. I'm tired of my paycheck being 1/2 of what it should be because the government wants to control private issues in everyone's life and they take our money to do it. Grow up . Quit asking the government to handle all your problems. You are an adult now. Freedom is making your own choice whether it's the school you send your kids to or what Dr. you go to. Get the government out of our lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) "Obama's church. Please tell me what would happen if this candidate was white and the word black in this doctrine was replaced with white. "http://www.tucc.org/about.htm It would sound like the church of a white supremecist group. I do not believe that it is wrong to be proud of your own race, as long as you are also respectful of others. A person should be looked at as an individual, not as a member of a group or organization. When you exist within confines dictated by others, you have little room to grow, and soon lose your identity. Edited March 5, 2007 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imawhosure Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 "Obama's church. Please tell me what would happen if this candidate was white and the word black in this doctrine was replaced with white. "http://www.tucc.org/about.htm A person should be looked at as an individual, not as a member of a group or organization. When you exist within confines dictated by others, you have little room to grow, and soon lose your identity. Dang Trim, I have agreed with you 100% 2 times now in the last 4 weeks. What is this world coming to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 Dang Trim, I have agreed with you 100% 2 times now in the last 4 weeks. What is this world coming to! It might be the Global Warming getting to you guys. It's been wreaking havoc for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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