Bob Rosadini Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Well with all the hype about GM selling the medium truck business to Navistar, what does this mean to the Power Stroke fiasco and the Bluediamond JV? Once again deals like this only make sense if a lot of the cost gets taken out of the picture. That means you get rid of GM's manufacturing plant (Flint?) and run the volume through Navistars structure (Springfield?) and/or you also get rid of a lot of the marketing expense. When you start screwing around with marketing expense, then you are messing with dealer organizations and isn't that what led to the bastardized "WhiteGMC" when Gm sold out the class 8's? Ford is the commercial truck sales leader- (class4-7). I would think this forces the issue and they really get serious and remain a player- Bluediamond or not- or they fold their tent like they did with the class 8 business. It's so easy to say...."It's not our core business". As 650/750 sales seem to be holding their own in a lousy market and as I think a lot of customers prefer to have one brand in their fleet, I hope the feeling is that Ford will be a survivor in class4-7 market--bring the 650/750 back to KTP! With the GM dealer organization out of the picture,this should present a good opportunity for Ford to boost market share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Bob, we can only dream! I saw a headline, but didn't get to read the article. Will the GM brand still exist? How does this affect the Isuzu tie-up? I think Ford should team up with Volvo TRUCK and kick Daimler's butt! My guess is that Ford will follow GM like they do in almost every instance and sell off the truck unit. It's dumb, but that's what Ford's been lately.......dumb! I'm not sure if these are revenue or profit figures, but in the first quarter an article stated Daimler had $715 million in trucks and $2.5 billion in vans and buses. Not shabby. I still want to see an updated enclosed 4-door C-series fire apparatus cab/chassis! By the way, I'm seeing a lot of heavy uses in truck magazines showing 18-ton cranes and 2000 gal fire tankers on F750 chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 GM: Bonehead moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue II Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Doesn't Blue Diamond build the F-650/F-750 in Mexico? I'm curious how this will work out along with the Power Stroke fiasco. Isn't Navistar still the Medium Duty truck leader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 Bob, we can only dream! I saw a headline, but didn't get to read the article. Will the GM brand still exist? How does this affect the Isuzu tie-up? I think Ford should team up with Volvo TRUCK and kick Daimler's butt! My guess is that Ford will follow GM like they do in almost every instance and sell off the truck unit. It's dumb, but that's what Ford's been lately.......dumb! I'm not sure if these are revenue or profit figures, but in the first quarter an article stated Daimler had $715 million in trucks and $2.5 billion in vans and buses. Not shabby. I still want to see an updated enclosed 4-door C-series fire apparatus cab/chassis! By the way, I'm seeing a lot of heavy uses in truck magazines showing 18-ton cranes and 2000 gal fire tankers on F750 chassis. Joe- 10-4 on the cranes- also mechanic service trucks. Where are you seeing the fire service trucks? On a mfg website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 Doesn't Blue Diamond build the F-650/F-750 in Mexico? I'm curious how this will work out along with the Power Stroke fiasco. Isn't Navistar still the Medium Duty truck leader? Yes- Escobedo Mexico. And correct Navistar is the leader class 6 and 7. If you count class 4- 7, its Ford by a big margin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 I'm seeing them in various fire mags Bob. At 8 lbs per gallon, the water alone would weigh 17,000 lbs. How much can the tank body itself weigh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 I wonder how the DCX breakup will affect the Sterling Class 3 thru 5 program since it used the Dodge cab/chassis. And will there still be Dodge Sprinters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted May 26, 2007 Author Share Posted May 26, 2007 I wonder how the DCX breakup will affect the Sterling Class 3 thru 5 program since it used the Dodge cab/chassis. And will there still be Dodge Sprinters? Joe, I would bet nothing changes- just another business deal- more volume for Dodge, something else for the Sterlig dealers to sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford-150 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Bob, we can only dream! I saw a headline, but didn't get to read the article. Will the GM brand still exist? How does this affect the Isuzu tie-up? I think Ford should team up with Volvo TRUCK and kick Daimler's butt! My guess is that Ford will follow GM like they do in almost every instance and sell off the truck unit. It's dumb, but that's what Ford's been lately.......dumb! I'm not sure if these are revenue or profit figures, but in the first quarter an article stated Daimler had $715 million in trucks and $2.5 billion in vans and buses. Not shabby. I still want to see an updated enclosed 4-door C-series fire apparatus cab/chassis! By the way, I'm seeing a lot of heavy uses in truck magazines showing 18-ton cranes and 2000 gal fire tankers on F750 chassis. yeah im not sure why the F-series isn't powered by VOLVO instead of navistar giving them problems i like the sound of it VOLVO TURBO DIESEL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g48150 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 Well for a short term plan 18-24 months, there is no use in trying to develop a 2010 diesel, there is no business case. Much better to let someone else perfect the SCR technology and HCCI, and THEN make your own... I mean, for real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g48150 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 I wonder how the DCX breakup will affect the Sterling Class 3 thru 5 program since it used the Dodge cab/chassis. And will there still be Dodge Sprinters? Trust me on this one, man, and I mean TRUST ME, Chrysler will have NO problems from Freightliner selling any to do with Sprinter vans. Freightliner is hurting for business until the 2009 rush to get pre-2010 emissions trucks, so Dodge Sprinters will be sitting pretty and ready to ship. As for the rest of that, Western Star, Sterling, AND Freightliner will continue to develop ways to increase market share in the under class 8 market, fuel economy, these days, IS a business case... After 2010 though, all bets are off, that's when concurrent engineering becomes "dead in the water"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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