Noah Harbinger Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 We know that certain 3.5L engines will have TwinForce turbos... Will it be possible to order the same kit and slap it in an Edge? 'Cause that could be a neat after-market add-on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 We know that certain 3.5L engines will have TwinForce turbos... Will it be possible to order the same kit and slap it in an Edge? 'Cause that could be a neat after-market add-on. Not likely ! Fitting all of the plumbing under the hood of the MKS has been a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbuck15 Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Not likely ! Fitting all of the plumbing under the hood of the MKS has been a nightmare. Do u work for ford or something how do u know?Are there any tricks up the sleeves of the MKS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Do u work for ford or something how do u know?Are there any tricks up the sleeves of the MKS? 1) yes he is a retired enigneer from powertrain cntrols 2) CD3's have had issues with fitting the TF plumbing - fusion will not get it Edge is unlikely 3) MKS has a new D3 platfrom underneath = TF shredded the Taurus D3 into pieces. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Not likely ! Fitting all of the plumbing under the hood of the MKS has been a nightmare. Where there's a will, there's a way. The plumbing is probably the least of your worries. The internals on a NA 3.5 likely aren't up to snuff to forced induction either....neither is the fuel system. Then there is the driveline - transmission, halfshafts, etc. I'm sure it could be done, but it would take some work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 (edited) There's already been a turbo Edge out there.. I've never herd of an engine "tearing a car to pieces", in what dimension does this happen in?? Edited September 23, 2007 by Blueblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 There's already been a turbo Edge out there.. I've never herd of an engine "tearing a car to pieces", in what dimension does this happen in?? the main piece was transmission and drive shaft ... but basically, the whole chasis (in AWD) was twisted by the sheer force of the engine and often failed - one of the core reasons forthe MKS delay - the Chasis has a LOT of work done to it. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 the main piece was transmission and drive shaft ... but basically, the whole chasis (in AWD) was twisted by the sheer force of the engine and often failed - one of the core reasons forthe MKS delay - the Chasis has a LOT of work done to it. Igor All I can say is... awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 the main piece was transmission and drive shaft ... but basically, the whole chasis (in AWD) was twisted by the sheer force of the engine and often failed - one of the core reasons forthe MKS delay - the Chasis has a LOT of work done to it. Igor You don't have these problems in RWD cars.. And I thought this chassis was an ultra-strong Volvo chassis? How could it be that weak??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 You don't have these problems in RWD cars.. And I thought this chassis was an ultra-strong Volvo chassis? How could it be that weak??? Don't have these problems in RWD cars? You've obviously never seen a torque-twisted Mustang that can't close its doors due to permanent chassis flex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Don't have these problems in RWD cars? You've obviously never seen a torque-twisted Mustang that can't close its doors due to permanent chassis flex. NO, and probably because anybody running that much power to do so, with traction, is running a cage and subframe connectors, stock Mustangs sure don't do that, even though they were on that wet noodle chassis. If that's what's acceptable for a modern, computer designed Volvo chassis, unlike the Fox which dates back to the mid 70's, then there's a problem. People have been modifying just about everything and don't "tear their cars to pieces". There are RWD converted Focus' out there with 351's that don't have any chassis problems, the GT500's put down 600FT. Lbs. of torque with a few bolt-ons, and don't tear anything up, and that's without any kind of chassis stiffening, if the D3 is doing that it's got issue's.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 (edited) This is not a question of FWR RWD - D3 was designed for mild Volvo and Ford engines - now 400ft/lbs of Torque ... you can easily make a FWD chassis withstand 400-500 or more torque (RS4, RS6 anyone?), but D3 was not originally intended for such applications .. Igor Edited September 24, 2007 by igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 This is not a question of FWR RWD - D3 was designed for mild Volvo and Ford engines - now 400ft/lbs of Torque ... you can easily make a FWD chassis withstand 400-500 or more torque (RS4, RS6 anyone?), but D3 was not originally intended for such applications .. Igor Exactly. The current Mustang was designed with power on the GT500's level from the get-go. The D3's were not. Even then, I fully expect every GT500 that is driven hard to be a creaking, rattling mess in a few years if they are not properly reinforced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 And I thought this chassis was an ultra-strong Volvo chassis? How could it be that weak??? Edge = CD3 = Mazda chassis, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Edge = CD3 = Mazda chassis, right? actually Edge is more like Mazda MPV chassis than CD3 .. but it is Mazda Chassis and about "Volvo chassis being so weak" - safety strength is one thing - torque-resistance is another .. if you never plan on putting more than say 250 ft./lbs of torque into the car, why make the chassis more expensive and heavier by making it withstand 500 ft.lbs .. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Mazda6 platform tweaked (increased length and width) = CD3 + more changes = Edge/MKX CD3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn704 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 actually Edge is more like Mazda MPV chassis than CD3 .. but it is Mazda Chassis and about "Volvo chassis being so weak" - safety strength is one thing - torque-resistance is another .. if you never plan on putting more than say 250 ft./lbs of torque into the car, why make the chassis more expensive and heavier by making it withstand 500 ft.lbs .. Igor I never thought about the similarities of the JDM MPV and the Edge. So basically it's still a CD3 derived platform with a different front suspension. So with the MKS on a reengineered D3 platform, does that mean it's a new generation of the D3 platform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I never thought about the similarities of the JDM MPV and the Edge. So basically it's still a CD3 derived platform with a different front suspension. So with the MKS on a reengineered D3 platform, does that mean it's a new generation of the D3 platform? With all the changes they had to do to accomodate the torque of the twin force engines - it sounds like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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