Here comes $100 oil, and $3 gas?

[J-150]

Gold is also priced in USD. Stop talking.

 

 

really?

 

Gold is gold. It is its' own currency fool. You only see it's value reported in USD over here.

 

The reason its climbing is because the Chinese are dumping the USD for Gold. Go look at the gold mines in Northern Ontario. 5 years ago all closed up. Now all running 24/7. Thats new gold, not trading existing gold.

 

Now, you stop talking.

[matthewq4b]

Which is fine because in the war Canada will tell China to piss off. Unless, of course, the mounties decide to kick ass. It's a moot point because the US and Canada will be one country soon enough. I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about the Amero since the currencies equalized.

 

 

Well their was resistince to it here when our dollar was worth nothing. Now it is equal to and surpassed the U.S green back, a snow ball in hell has a better at surving than that does right now or any time soon.

 

There is deep rooted mistrust of Americans in the Canadian psychie. The root of it dates back some 200 hundred years.

 

When Canada acts as an independant nation and does not support the U.S in all it's actions. Vietnam & Iraq for example the back lash on both the poilical and citizen leval in the U.S is excessive.

 

Also the States has shown it will sell out or befreind what ever nation best serves it's own purposes at the time.

 

We have been on the reciving end of this both good and bad many times in the past.

 

Yes we love our American freinds and as neighbours, But from the Canadian perspective it is done very warily.

 

 

Matthew

Edited November 6, 2007 by matthewq4b

[ShockFX]

really?

 

Gold is gold. It is its' own currency fool. You only see it's value reported in USD over here.

 

The reason its climbing is because the Chinese are dumping the USD for Gold. Go look at the gold mines in Northern Ontario. 5 years ago all closed up. Now all running 24/7. Thats new gold, not trading existing gold.

 

Now, you stop talking.

 

This is where you are wrong. China doesn't need gold. China needs energy. Last I checked, China was out buying as many resources as it could, using its surplus of USD. Ergo, USD drops as it floods the market, oil rises on this and Chinese demand, we still have to buy the same amount of oil at a higher price, more USD goes abroad and the cycle continues.

 

Savings on shoes made in China, $5. Extra costs incurred by Chinese demand for raw material, $5.

 

Technically, gold is priced in every currency. However, since it's not exactly a required resource like oil, all supply and demand pressure is solely based of perceived instability. Gold prices rising is not just a sign of USD being dumped. It's a sign that gold represents the best opportunity for investment amongst ALL CURRENCIES. Gold is a pretty good sign of turbulence whether politically or economically.

[ShockFX]

Well their was resistince to it here when our dollar was worth nothing. Now it is equal to and surpassed the U.S green back, a snow ball in hell has a better at surving than that does right now or any time soon.

 

There is deep rooted mistrust of Americans in the Canadian psychie. The root of it dates back some 200 hundred years.

 

When Canada acts as an independant nation and does not support the U.S in all it's actions. Vietnam & Iraq for example the back lash on both the poilical and citizen leval in the U.S is excessive.

 

Also the States has shown it will sell out or befreind what ever nation best serves it's own purposes at the time.

 

We have been on the reciving end of this both good and bad many times in the past.

 

Yes we love our American freinds and as neighbours, But from the Canadian perspective it is done very warily.

Matthew

 

I'm saying at some point it will happen out of necessity. Canada has no international presence. I mean, I know Canada won WW1 and WW2 on its own. It also stopped the spread of communism/fascism. Canada also has that great army to stop the US. Ohh wait, no, it has none of these things. Canada has 65 million people or so right? 80% of whom live within 100 miles of the US border? You have the queen on your money and are basically British people in denial. The only thing Canada has going for it is a shit ton of resources that are where it's too cold to live.

[suv_guy_19]

I'm saying at some point it will happen out of necessity. Canada has no international presence. I mean, I know Canada won WW1 and WW2 on its own. It also stopped the spread of communism/fascism. Canada also has that great army to stop the US. Ohh wait, no, it has none of these things. Canada has 65 million people or so right? 80% of whom live within 100 miles of the US border? You have the queen on your money and are basically British people in denial. The only thing Canada has going for it is a shit ton of resources that are where it's too cold to live.

 

 

Wow. You know nothing about Canada at all. First we Have 33 million people. We do not fight wars to get most things done, we build bridges. Have you ever heard of the Ottawa convention on land mines? We got the things banned world wide. We are not British people in denial and a great deal of the resources we have rest in very comfortable climates. Like you always tell people, stop talking.

[Ford Jellymoulds]

I have always liked Canada its a great place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO1HEyxjlNA

[ShockFX]

Wow. You know nothing about Canada at all. First we Have 33 million people.

Even worse.

We do not fight wars to get most things done, we build bridges.

I'm glad you built bridges to solve WW1 and WW2, and those bridges stopped communism and fascism as well.

Have you ever heard of the Ottawa convention on land mines? We got the things banned world wide.

Yeah, that means a lot from a country that has no experience with them.

We are not British people in denial and a great deal of the resources we have rest in very comfortable climates. Like you always tell people, stop talking.

 

Ok, some of you are French. Don't get me wrong, I love Canada. Great country. But you're about the same as Russia except with the sense to not care that you are globally unimportant.

[suv_guy_19]

Even worse.

I'm glad you built bridges to solve WW1 and WW2, and those bridges stopped communism and fascism as well.

Yeah, that means a lot from a country that has no experience with them.

Ok, some of you are French. Don't get me wrong, I love Canada. Great country. But you're about the same as Russia except with the sense to not care that you are globally unimportant.

 

 

Typical attitude. As Tony Blair said the other day, Canada is about to become one of the most influential countries on earth.

 

We did fight in WWII and at the time had one of the worlds largest navies. We have fought in many major engagements that were reasonable and just. We may not have a large force, but they are now well equipped and very capable. They seemed to help out quite well during hurricane Katrina.

 

 

We are not British in denial because we are a sovereign country with a national identity that is separate from both that of the Us and UK. We are different than both you and them.

 

Finally, its a insult for a country with a higher standard of living and HDI index that that of your own to be compared to Russia. We are becoming more relevant all of the time. We have the 8th largest economy, a vast resource base, and contribute to many global efforts. Many Americans think that almost no other country has global relevance because they are so wrapped up in themselves that they can't see outside their borders. Perhaps you should watch some on the British or Canadian media to find out whats going on in the rest of the world.

Edited November 6, 2007 by suv_guy_19

[matthewq4b]

I'm saying at some point it will happen out of necessity. Canada has no international presence. I mean, I know Canada won WW1 and WW2 on its own. It also stopped the spread of communism/fascism. Canada also has that great army to stop the US. Ohh wait, no, it has none of these things. Canada has 65 million people or so right? 80% of whom live within 100 miles of the US border? You have the queen on your money and are basically British people in denial. The only thing Canada has going for it is a shit ton of resources that are where it's too cold to live.

 

 

Better read up on your history again Shock.

 

And the U.S tried to annex Cananda a couple times befor When the population spread and military might spread was even greater than it is now and we all know how that turned out.

 

Occupying Canada would be like to trying to occupy Russia. It is just not feasble. Unless your going to nuke the country in to submission. And that will not work with Canada unless your willing to Iradiate most of the U.S

 

The U.S is having a rough go of it in Iraq with a land mass of just 170K sq miles Try doing the same thing in a country with a land mass of 3.8 milllion sqaure miles it is just not possible that most of it is unsuitable for amoured operations. And you do not have to deal with artic and sub-artic winters in Iraq either. The Germans learned all about that issue during WWII.

 

 

 

Matthew

Edited November 6, 2007 by matthewq4b

[suv_guy_19]

Typical attitude. As Tony Blair said the other day, Canada is about to become one of the most influential countries on earth.

 

We did fight in WWII and at the time had one of the worlds largest navies. We have fought in many major engagements that were reasonable and just. We may not have a large force, but they are now well equipped and very capable. They seemed to help out quite well during hurricane Katrina.

We are not British in denial because we are a sovereign country with a national identity that is separate from both that of the Us and UK. We are different than both you and them.

 

Finally, its a insult for a country with a higher standard of living and HDI index that that of your own to be compared to Russia. We are becoming more relevant all of the time. We have the 8th largest economy, a vast resource base, and contribute to many global efforts. Many Americans think that almost no other country has global relevance because they are so wrapped up in themselves that they can't see outside their borders. Perhaps you should watch some on the British or Canadian media to find out whats going on in the rest of the world.

 

 

Here Shock, now you can see what the rest of the world is talking about:

 

CBC, CANADA

 

CTV, CANADA

 

Canada.com, CANADA

 

 

BBC, UK

 

Channel 4, UK

Edited November 6, 2007 by suv_guy_19

[matthewq4b]

Here Shock, now you can see what the rest of the world is talking about:

 

CBC, CANADA

 

 

Cool You Tube Canda.

 

 

Matthew

[suv_guy_19]

Cool You Tube Canda.

Matthew

 

 

I know, I saw that too, sad about the RCMP officer though, and the bus in your province. Those kind of things don't happen very often.

[Pablo2079]

Getting back to the cost of oil.... here's a sobering slide show by Matthew Simmons (Energy Investment Banker)

 

http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/Hedge%...0Conference.pdf

 

Edited November 6, 2007 by Pablo2079

[suv_guy_19]

Getting back to the cost of oil.... here's a sobering slide show by Matthew Simmon (Energy Investment Banker)

 

http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/Hedge%...0Conference.pdf

 

 

 

In a story in one of the links I posted they said they think the price could reach $100 by the end of the week.

[ShockFX]

Typical attitude. As Tony Blair said the other day, Canada is about to become one of the most influential countries on earth.

 

We did fight in WWII and at the time had one of the worlds largest navies. We have fought in many major engagements that were reasonable and just. We may not have a large force, but they are now well equipped and very capable. They seemed to help out quite well during hurricane Katrina.

We are not British in denial because we are a sovereign country with a national identity that is separate from both that of the Us and UK. We are different than both you and them.

 

Finally, its a insult for a country with a higher standard of living and HDI index that that of your own to be compared to Russia. We are becoming more relevant all of the time. We have the 8th largest economy, a vast resource base, and contribute to many global efforts. Many Americans think that almost no other country has global relevance because they are so wrapped up in themselves that they can't see outside their borders. Perhaps you should watch some on the British or Canadian media to find out whats going on in the rest of the world.

 

First, I'm just giving you a hard time. Canada can never be that influential because they simply do not have enough people. 35 million people vs over 2 billion in India and China together.

 

I know Canada fought in WWII, but once again, with the 10 million people you had at the time, not very useful. Wow, helping during hurricane Katrina!!! The irony here is the US responds better to disasters abroad than at home. That and the freaking city is below sea level, it deserved it.

 

The comparison to Russia was as a very proud, cold, large, lots of resources nation. Whereas Russia loves to makes noise like it can do something, Canada is behind the scenes. I prefer Canada's approach, and that's why Canada is actually taken seriously.

 

Personally, I think the US has made a ton of terrible decisions, and I'd rather be Australian. Negative savings rate, consuming more than we can produce, unfunded medicare/medicaid/social security, interfering in the Middle East, terrible tax policy, list goes ON AND ON.

 

You may notice my absolute disdain for mediocrity and compromise. It's pretty much what the US has become due to catering to the minority. Everyone can't be equal on everything, this just doesn't work.

[suv_guy_19]

You may notice my absolute disdain for mediocrity and compromise. It's pretty much what the US has become due to catering to the minority. Everyone can't be equal on everything, this just doesn't work.

 

 

Ok. and why is that? people should all be equal and can all be equal. To say otherwise is quite....well, I'm not sure what it is.

[matthewq4b]

I know, I saw that too, sad about the RCMP officer though, and the bus in your province. Those kind of things don't happen very often.

 

 

Yes rather tragic both of them.

 

Hyway coach accidents are not the uncommon here. Lots of new drivers right now. Plus the roads play a big part in it. And the traffic density on those remote hyways that were buit 40 plus years ago are just not capable of the number of vehicles seen to day. Also due to the relativly sparce population in the north and the distances between towns it can take hours and hours for road mait crews to get sand on the roads in the more remote sections after snow or dew frost.

 

I bet the investigation will find that the driver hit a patch of black ice and that combined with his inexperiance will be the factors leading to the accident. That is if he did not fall asleep.

 

We are so short of labour here right now that applicants that just few years would be passed over as unsuitbale for most jobs are now the only applicants. And empoyers are forced to hire them or shut thier doors. Any competent employee is worth big bucks and employeers pay it to retain them.

 

If you can walk mostly up right and string together a semi coherant sentance your hired.

 

Hell Lloyd is a gong show. Timmies closes at 8Pm here no staff for night shift even at over $16, None of the restaraunts are open late even alot the bars are closing down be for midnight.

 

Customer Service in any service orentated buisness is horendous.

 

Home Depot has a new store here that still is not open due to labour shortages (was slated to open end of July) They needed 200 people to staff the store so they held a job fair to hire people and less than 20 people showed up.

 

Just this past week they finally got enough people to staff the store to open it with limited store hours. they should be opening next week.

 

 

Matthew

[ShockFX]

Better read up on your history again Shock.

 

And the U.S tried to annex Cananda a couple times befor When the population spread and military might spread was even greater than it is now and we all know how that turned out.

 

Occupying Canada would be like to trying to occupy Russia. It is just not feasble. Unless your going to nuke the country in to submission. And that will not work with Canada unless your willing to Iradiate most of the U.S

 

The U.S is having a rough go of it in Iraq with a land mass of just 170K sq miles Try doing the same thing in a country with a land mass of 3.8 milllion sqaure miles it is just not possible that most of it is unsuitable for amoured operations. And you do not have to deal with artic and sub-artic winters in Iraq either. The Germans learned all about that issue during WWII.

Matthew

 

I think there was one Canada-US was...and it was fought with muskets. Sweet.

 

Who said anything about occupying Canada? 75% of Canadians live within 160km of the US border. You might as well just live in the US. And seriously, Canadian resistance? WITH WHAT??!?!?

 

Not that I think we should have actually done more than bomb Iraq, but come on. We destroyed the country and took it over in what, 2 months tops? Trying to get the Iraqis to govern themselves is the problem. If was wanted to bomb and exploit the country's resources you can bet it would have been already done. Winter doesn't matter, radar and airplanes work in the winter sir. Pretty sure we could just occupy western Canada and take all the resources we wanted.

 

Conclusion: I like Canada, it's better run (except healthcare socialism), the people on the whole aren't as stupid as in the US. However, get serious, the country is powerless except in an orderly world where it's natural resources are valuable. Besides, if the US had ever thought Canada could protect itself, it wouldn't have bought Alaska. As terrible as it is, it's simply better to be a "have" in the US than a "have" anywhere else.

Edited November 6, 2007 by ShockFX

[suv_guy_19]

As terrible as it is, it's simply better to be a "have" in the US than a "have not" anywhere else.

 

 

Didn't you mean the other way around? And on health care. Don't start. I have argued over that enough already.

[ShockFX]

Ok. and why is that? people should all be equal and can all be equal. To say otherwise is quite....well, I'm not sure what it is.

 

Only teenagers, hippys, and idiots believe in socialism and equality for all. I'm not saying no equality for basic human rights, but I'm pretty sure no one has a "right" to healthcare for example.

 

You realize they spend 10 times the money on the mentally retarded as we do on the gifted? Which brings a better return for the world?

 

"American schools spend more than $8 billion a year educating the mentally retarded. Spending on the gifted isn't even tabulated in some states, but by the most generous calculation, we spend no more than $800 million on gifted programs." ~Time Magazine 8/16/2007

 

The is the same number of people with IQs over 145 as below 55. Why do we spend 10 times more on the people that will never contribute to society?

[ShockFX]

Didn't you mean the other way around? And on health care. Don't start. I have argued over that enough already.

 

Should have both said "have". Being a have not anywhere just plain sucks. But at least the have nots in the US have a shot to move up.

[suv_guy_19]

Only teenagers, hippys, and idiots believe in socialism and equality for all. I'm not saying no equality for basic human rights, but I'm pretty sure no one has a "right" to healthcare for example.

 

You realize they spend 10 times the money on the mentally retarded as we do on the gifted? Which brings a better return for the world?

 

"American schools spend more than $8 billion a year educating the mentally retarded. Spending on the gifted isn't even tabulated in some states, but by the most generous calculation, we spend no more than $800 million on gifted programs." ~Time Magazine 8/16/2007

 

The is the same number of people with IQs over 145 as below 55. Why do we spend 10 times more on the people that will never contribute to society?

 

 

On both your first and second points, I believe it should be self evident that you are wrong, and its sad that many people do not see it that way.

[ShockFX]

On both your first and second points, I believe it should be self evident that you are wrong, and its sad that many people do not see it that way.

 

Which two points are these?

[BlackHorse]

Shock's grasp of military operations seats him well in the "I saw it in a movie." crowd. Also as usual, he's acting like a complete ass with more mouth then common sense.

[suv_guy_19]

Which two points are these?

 

 

That healthcare is not a right, and that we should not be spending the money we are on the disabled. Right now we are trying to get the Manitoba government to pay for Avastin treatment, because everyone has a right to live, no matter what it takes (and don't go and give me a bunch of strange scenarios now).