Here comes $100 oil, and $3 gas?

[ShockFX]

That healthcare is not a right, and that we should not be spending the money we are on the disabled. Right now we are trying to get the Manitoba government to pay for Avastin treatment, because everyone has a right to live, no matter what it takes (and don't go and give me a bunch of strange scenarios now).

 

Do you know how many people have died from Malaria because DDT was made illegal? DDT is HARMLESS to humans, but because it may kill some birds in Africa the liberals and environmentalists condemn millions of Africans to death by a disease that we in Canada/US cure with $5 worth of drugs. I seriously can't get a handle on this: the same idiot liberal environmentalist type that insist on national healthcare are the same people that condemned millions of Africans. I might be a total asshole, but at least I know it.

[matthewq4b]

I think there was one Canada-US was...and it was fought with muskets. Sweet.

 

Who said anything about occupying Canada? 75% of Canadians live within 160km of the US border. You might as well just live in the US. And seriously, Canadian resistance? WITH WHAT??!?!?

 

Not that I think we should have actually done more than bomb Iraq, but come on. We destroyed the country and took it over in what, 2 months tops? Trying to get the Iraqis to govern themselves is the problem. If was wanted to bomb and exploit the country's resources you can bet it would have been already done. Winter doesn't matter, radar and airplanes work in the winter sir. Pretty sure we could just occupy western Canada and take all the resources we wanted.

 

Conclusion: I like Canada, it's better run (except healthcare socialism), the people on the whole aren't as stupid as in the US. However, get serious, the country is powerless except in an orderly world where it's natural resources are valuable. Besides, if the US had ever thought Canada could protect itself, it wouldn't have bought Alaska. As terrible as it is, it's simply better to be a "have" in the US than a "have not" anywhere else.

 

 

Keep thinking that Shock.

 

Canada spends more per capita on it's military than North Korea does.

It is good image we portray that we have almost no military to speak of.

We are short in some areas but have exceptinally well trained soldiers. That are cabable of operating with out behind the lines support. Some thing U.S troops rely on hevaly.

 

Also planes have a shit time operating in the winter not the easiet thing to do to say the least.

All of our aircraft are specifally designed for artic operations as regular productin units will not operate relibly in those conditions.

 

Occupying any nation especialy one with severe winters is a huge issue. The Russians learned that the hard way in the Russain Fnnish war.

 

All Canada would have to do is apply a scorched earth policy like the Russians did. And most of Canada's population is near the U.S boarder. But that is not where resources are. Those are in the far north. Most of the areas have ONE road acsses with no airports near the facilty's them selves. The Oil sand facility's are a fantatic defenceable postion. No air strip acessse. rough terain not suitable for armoured vehicles. It

 

Remeber a lot of Canada's infastructure planning in the reasurce rich centers was done during the height of the cold war and defence was paramount in the execution this was stressed extensivly by the U.S Gov't at the time cause we were supplying the U.S with alot of the basics and still do.

 

If Canada turned off the crude tap the U.S would grind to halt a few weeks

and that would pretty much put an end to any military action.

 

 

 

Matthew

[suv_guy_19]

Do you know how many people have died from Malaria because DDT was made illegal? DDT is HARMLESS to humans, but because it may kill some birds in Africa the liberals and environmentalists condemn millions of Africans to death by a disease that we in Canada/US cure with $5 worth of drugs. I seriously can't get a handle on this: the same idiot liberal environmentalist type that insist on national healthcare are the same people that condemned millions of Africans. I might be a total asshole, but at least I know it.

 

 

Ummm, environmentalism has nothing to do with healthcare. I am in favour of finding a way to make sure all of those people get the treatment they need. Really, stop talking.

[matthewq4b]

Getting back to the cost of oil.... here's a sobering slide show by Matthew Simmons (Energy Investment Banker)

 

http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/Hedge%...0Conference.pdf

 

 

 

 

No to be an ass Pablo but 99% of this is bull shit. It is full of errors And yess has reached a peaked production for 2006 as it did in 2005 2004 ect. And production will be even higher for 2007.

 

 

it is full of errors and concetrates hevily on Middel east crude, well the bulk of the oil on the planet and the largest deposits on the planet ARE NOT in the middle east.

 

 

 

Matthew

[matthewq4b]

Ummm, environmentalism has nothing to do with healthcare. I am in favour of finding a way to make sure all of those people get the treatment they need. Really, stop talking.

 

 

Ah most americans can not accept that Universal health care works as goad or better than and is a cheaper system overall than what is currently used in the U.S.

 

 

Too close to treating every body the same and giving every one the same rights to health and happyness.

Heavan forbid that a persons value as human being is not tied to their net worth.

 

 

Matthew

[matthewq4b]

Should have both said "have". Being a have not anywhere just plain sucks. But at least the have nots in the US have a shot to move up.

 

 

They have a better shot here.

 

 

Matthew

Edited November 6, 2007 by matthewq4b

[ShockFX]

Keep thinking that Shock.

 

Canada spends more per capita on it's military than North Korea does.

There are only 35 million Canadians. It's a whole order of magnitude less than the US, and 2 less than China.

It is good image we portray that we have almost no military to speak of.

We are short in some areas but have exceptinally well trained soldiers. That are cabable of operating with out behind the lines support. Some thing U.S troops rely on hevaly.

What the hell are you basing this on? Rangers, Delta Force, SEALS, Green Berets...you think Canada has better than that?

Also planes have a shit time operating in the winter not the easiet thing to do to say the least.

All of our aircraft are specifally designed for artic operations as regular productin units will not operate relibly in those conditions.

Right, because the air at 10,000 ft really changes temperatures in the Winter.

Occupying any nation especialy one with severe winters is a huge issue. The Russians learned that the hard way in the Russain Fnnish war.

No one would occupy Canada.

All Canada would have to do is apply a scorched earth policy like the Russians did. And most of Canada's population is near the U.S boarder. But that is not where resources are. Those are in the far north. Most of the areas have ONE road acsses with no airports near the facilty's them selves. The Oil sand facility's are a fantatic defenceable postion. No air strip acessse. rough terain not suitable for armoured vehicles. It

 

Remeber a lot of Canada's infastructure planning in the reasurce rich centers was done during the height of the cold war and defence was paramount in the execution this was stressed extensivly by the U.S Gov't at the time cause we were supplying the U.S with alot of the basics and still do.

 

If Canada turned off the crude tap the U.S would grind to halt a few weeks

and that would pretty much put an end to any military action.

Matthew

 

This is a stupid argument. If there was such a global crisis that the US and Canada were fighting it wouldn't even be a fight. Either Canada would surrender to the US, or it would be destroyed with nukes. It's blindingly obvious Canada isn't going to side with China. And in case you haven't noticed, Europe will always side with the US in a war. White people stick together aye?

[suv_guy_19]

There are only 35 million Canadians. It's a whole order of magnitude less than the US, and 2 less than China.

 

What the hell are you basing this on? Rangers, Delta Force, SEALS, Green Berets...you think Canada has better than that?

Right, because the air at 10,000 ft really changes temperatures in the Winter.

 

No one would occupy Canada.

This is a stupid argument. If there was such a global crisis that the US and Canada were fighting it wouldn't even be a fight. Either Canada would surrender to the US, or it would be destroyed with nukes. It's blindingly obvious Canada isn't going to side with China. And in case you haven't noticed, Europe will always side with the US in a war. White people stick together aye?

 

 

Europe always sides with the US....Just like in Iraq

[ShockFX]

Ah most americans can not accept that Universal health care works as goad or better than and is a cheaper system overall than what is currently used in the U.S.

Too close to treating every body the same and giving every one the same rights to health and happyness.

Heavan forbid that a persons value as human being is not tied to their net worth.

Matthew

 

I've had two teachers that brought parents from Canada to the US to get treatment for cancer here. The Canadian government wouldn't treat them because they were too old. National health care DOES NOT WORK because it places the valuation in the hands of the wrong person. The government decided what the treatment was worth to them, they disagreed.

 

It's only cheaper overall because our system is terrible. That doesn't make yours good though. Our private health system is the best in the world. The problem is that Medicare and Medicaid drive up the cost because there is no downside to going to see the doctor if you have it. A $0 copay means you have no reason to not see the doctor for anything. And since doctors are paid per patient seen, they want you to keep coming back and they order unnecessary tests to not get sued.

 

Want to fix health care in the US? Throw a $20 copay on office visits under Medicare/Medicaid and limit how much can be won in malpractice trials.

 

Name the last breakthrough of any type Canada was responsible for.

[ShockFX]

Europe always sides with the US....Just like in Iraq

 

They, and Canada, did at first. Then they bailed. No one wants to be in Iraq, but it's shocking how they won't accept democracy and would rather fight over religious differences. Tell me, which is more equal?

[suv_guy_19]

I've had two teachers that brought parents from Canada to the US to get treatment for cancer here. The Canadian government wouldn't treat them because they were too old. National health care DOES NOT WORK because it places the valuation in the hands of the wrong person. The government decided what the treatment was worth to them, they disagreed.

 

That almost never happens. My 85 year old grandmother needed an operation to remove colon cancer. She got it the next day. I know no one who has been refused treatment. I do know of some cases where Chemo and Radiation have not been done because they would have probably been worse than the cancer, but never have I heard of what you are saying.

[BlackHorse]

Ah most americans can not accept that Universal health care works as goad or better than and is a cheaper system overall than what is currently used in the U.S.

Too close to treating every body the same and giving every one the same rights to health and happyness.

Heavan forbid that a persons value as human being is not tied to their net worth.

Matthew

 

As an American let me just say that:

 

My government has the most screwed up taxation system in the world.

 

My government regularly screws up every government funded program that is supposed to help people and ends up causing more problems then it solves.

 

My government is riddled with corrupt politicians that waste literally billions of dollars a year in our money and all the while tell us we aren't paying enough taxes.

 

My government can't even do a simple thing like secure our border with Mexico.

 

My government passes ridiculous laws that hinder the potential for growth and development within our own country like CAFE and limiting the refinery capacity we have.

 

These are just some of the more notable serious short comings in my government. So I ask you, why in the name of God would I turn over my health care to them? They quite literally fail at almost everything else they do, what makes you guys think they will get this right? Why would you put your health in the hands of your government? Why would you give them power to decide who lives and who dies? Because that's what it will come to. If you don't believe that, just take a look at England. Over 70,000 people a year go outside of England to seek surgeries and medical services they can't get in their own country because their "government run health care system" is so great. Already in England they are passing laws that mandate how you can and can't live and if you don't comply you will be denied certain levels of health care. For instance if you insist on being a smoker, the government is flat out telling the "subjects" in England, "we aren't going to give you as good a health care as someone who doesn't smoke because you don't fit into our little parameters of how a good healthy person should act." This is literally the government deciding who lives and who dies. This is what the pro-socialized medicine crowd wants for us. No thanks. Take a hike.

[suv_guy_19]

They, and Canada, did at first. Then they bailed. No one wants to be in Iraq, but it's shocking how they won't accept democracy and would rather fight over religious differences. Tell me, which is more equal?

 

 

 

Uh no. Europe and Canada wanted nothing to do with Iraq. Do some research.

[Ron W.]

This is a stupid argument.

 

Agreed.

 

Why must so many topics turn into pissing matches is beyond me.

[suv_guy_19]

Name the last breakthrough of any type Canada was responsible for.

 

 

Top 50 Canadian Inventions:

 

1. Insulin

2. Telephone

3. Light Bulb

4. Five-pin bowling

5. Wonderbra

6. Artificial pacemaker

7. Robertson screw

8. Zipper

9. Electric Wheelchair

10. Poutine

11. Cobalt-60 “Bomb” Cancer Treatment

12. Java programming language

13. Bloody Caesar

14. Canadarm

15. Standard Time

16. Electron Microscope

 

 

 

17. Ski-Doo

18. BlackBerry

19. Radio Voice Transmission

20. Birch-Bark Canoe

21. Basketball

22. Retractable Beer Carton Handle

23. UV Degradable Plastics

24. Instant Replay

25. Goalie mask

26. Marquis Wheat

27. Pablum

28. Lacrosse

29. Electric Oven

30. Steam Fog Horn

31. Walkie-Talkie

32. Alkaline battery

33. Paint roller

 

 

 

34. Electronic Music Synthesizer

35. Weevac 6

36. Green Garbage Bag

37. Snowblower

38. Self-Propelled Combine Harvester

39. Instant mashed potatoes

40. Explosives Vapour Detector

41. Marine Screw Propeller

42. Plexiglas

43. Key Frame Animation

44. CPR-Mannequin: “Actar 911”

45. G-Suit

46. Ardox Spiral Nail

47. Automatic Lubricating Cup

48. Crash-Position Indicator

49. Caulking gun

50. Separable Baggage Check

[suv_guy_19]

As an American let me just say that:

 

My government has the most screwed up taxation system in the world.

 

My government regularly screws up every government funded program that is supposed to help people and ends up causing more problems then it solves.

 

My government is riddled with corrupt politicians that waste literally billions of dollars a year in our money and all the while tell us we aren't paying enough taxes.

 

My government can't even do a simple thing like secure our border with Mexico.

 

My government passes ridiculous laws that hinder the potential for growth and development within our own country like CAFE and limiting the refinery capacity we have.

 

These are just some of the more notable serious short comings in my government. So I ask you, why in the name of God would I turn over my health care to them? They quite literally fail at almost everything else they do, what makes you guys think they will get this right? Why would you put your health in the hands of your government? Why would you give them power to decide who lives and who dies? Because that's what it will come to. If you don't believe that, just take a look at England. Over 70,000 people a year go outside of England to seek surgeries and medical services they can't get in their own country because their "government run health care system" is so great. Already in England they are passing laws that mandate how you can and can't live and if you don't comply you will be denied certain levels of health care. For instance if you insist on being a smoker, the government is flat out telling the "subjects" in England, "we aren't going to give you as good a health care as someone who doesn't smoke because you don't fit into our little parameters of how a good healthy person should act." This is literally the government deciding who lives and who dies. This is what the pro-socialized medicine crowd wants for us. No thanks. Take a hike.

 

 

Because our government doesn't screw up very often, and they really make up for it when they do.

[BlackHorse]

Because our government doesn't screw up very often, and they really make up for it when they do.

 

[suv_guy_19]

 

 

They are nothing like your government. I know that is hard for you to believe, but its true.

[Deanh]

Because our government doesn't screw up very often, and they really make up for it when they do.

news for you...the governments in ALL countries are veiwed the same...different agendas and issues but they ALL screw up..........for instance, New Zealand, TOTALLY dependent on exporting beef/ lamb and dairy products...so what does my/their Govt try and institute? Based on a livestock count they were going to implement a "Fart" tax and punish/ tax those with large herds affecting the ozone with Methane....kinda pretzel logic don't you think, Farmer cuts down on his herd, lowers his income gos broke, to AVOID penalties????????? Next up Mexican bean farmers???????/

Edited November 6, 2007 by Deanh

[ShockFX]

They are nothing like your government. I know that is hard for you to believe, but its true.

 

At least we realize our government sucks.

[suv_guy_19]

At least we realize our government sucks.

 

 

You know nothing about the Government of Canada, hell, you know nothing about Canada. The government does not screw up very bad very often. When it does, its found out and its almost always fixed to satisfaction.

[matthewq4b]

There are only 35 million Canadians. It's a whole order of magnitude less than the US, and 2 less than China.

 

 

Pouplaton numbers have litte to do with any thing in time of war. Better go back and read you history.

 

 

What the hell are you basing this on? Rangers, Delta Force, SEALS, Green Berets...you think Canada has better than that?

 

Small numbered elite forces. All the Canadian military is trained to operatre with out back up. Cause we knwif the shit hits the fan that is exactyl what they are going to have to do. They are trainaed to be self sufficiant all out ground troops are trined like this not just few elite frocrs.

 

Right, because the air at 10,000 ft really changes temperatures in the Winter.

 

Ya but it kinda sucks when you can not see the ground. In really cold temps IR gets all messed up.

 

 

 

This is a stupid argument. If there was such a global crisis that the US and Canada were fighting it wouldn't even be a fight. Either Canada would surrender to the US, or it would be destroyed with nukes.

 

And take yourslefs right along with us. Or are you forgetting about fall out ?

 

Since most of targets would be within a spitting distance of the U.S

 

.

It's blindingly obvious Canada isn't going to side with China. And in case you haven't noticed, Europe will always side with the US in a war. White people stick together aye?

 

 

As SUV pointed out do not bet on that. We have been their for Europe from the get go every time we were needed. Better spend some time in Europe. And see how well liked and highely regradred Canuks are.

We gave our lives in both world wars from the onset and did not have to guilted in to or have war declared on us to kick in. Hell we are rembered and hounoured for our sacrafices today that were made almost a hundred years ago.

Aslo you are forgetting about France hell they were preparing to send troops here if Quebec separated in the last referendum. Let alone with a U.S invasion force. They will try protect Quebec no question.

 

Aslo there is the whole UK issue. If you think they would side with the US your dreaming. As best you could hope for them to abstain. More than likly they would not. We are a Commonthweath Nation and the Queen is our head of state.

 

Then then there is the whole Russian question. There is nothing better they would like, than to get thier hands back on Alaska. And this would give the means and reason to do so.

 

So do not count on the Loyalites of the EU.

 

 

Matthew

[Bored of Pisteon]

Look guys... Start a Canada topic like Iran and Iraq for god's sakes! We're discussing the price of oil and gas here. COME ON!

[matthewq4b]

I've had two teachers that brought parents from Canada to the US to get treatment for cancer here. The Canadian government wouldn't treat them because they were too old. National health care DOES NOT WORK because it places the valuation in the hands of the wrong person. The government decided what the treatment was worth to them, they disagreed.

 

It's only cheaper overall because our system is terrible. That doesn't make yours good though. Our private health system is the best in the world. The problem is that Medicare and Medicaid drive up the cost because there is no downside to going to see the doctor if you have it. A $0 copay means you have no reason to not see the doctor for anything. And since doctors are paid per patient seen, they want you to keep coming back and they order unnecessary tests to not get sued.

 

Want to fix health care in the US? Throw a $20 copay on office visits under Medicare/Medicaid and limit how much can be won in malpractice trials.

 

Name the last breakthrough of any type Canada was responsible for.

 

 

Most recnt major ones The Blackberry.

And the solution to solving the planets future crude requirements. The THAI prosses.

 

And our HC system over all is rated higher. Both have their issues but ours is far more effective over all.

 

 

Matthew

Edited November 6, 2007 by matthewq4b

[suv_guy_19]

Look guys... Start a Canada topic like Iran and Iraq for god's sakes! We're discussing the price of oil and gas here. COME ON!

 

 

You can discuss around us. Besides, shock started it lol.