S.Knight Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I wonder if the current melt down of the financial markets is the beginning of the end to conservatism or just an indicator of how bad this particular administration has been. The executive branch benefited much, before the last congressional mid term election, from a Republican controlled legislature. They were able to control the agenda and table many safeguards in the form of regulation and oversight. If I am not mistaken… Bush didn’t even have to veto a bill in the first part of his administration. What I find most interesting is that these champions of limited market intervention and deregulation have fostered an environment, which has us all teetering on the edge of the worst economic crisis in American history. Their solution… to circumvent the market by huge infusions of government aid, the exact opposite of the platform their economic theory rests on. I love watching these fiscally conservative pundits stammer while trying to explain how they hate to see the markets interfered with, but just can’t seem to see another alternative. The irony is that the solution to the crisis rested in the government regulation Democrats attempted to institute in the first place! Now I must admit I am always forced to wear two hats in these arguments. I hate to see consumers and taxpayers pay the bill for inefficiency (government aid, tariffs, and the like) to protect jobs in failing industries. I don’t think it is governments, via taxpayers, responsibility. But I’m an autoworker!!! So… come on Congress get moving on some subsidies so I can start working overtime…right? I know where my true loyalties lie… in the paychecks I bring home to my family so we can chase the American dream. I know many of my coworkers, as the election approaches, are going to focus on a couple of major issues… gun rights and abortion. I would hesitate to add this third one to the list normally… but after hearing many of my unenlightened coworkers…race. I think those of you who would normally vote with these issues need to look at the price of your home…the balance of your investments… and the security of your economic future, and ask yourself who represents your interests. I know after this latest regime…. our jobs are hanging on by a thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truckster Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I wonder if the current melt down of the financial markets is the beginning of the end to conservatism or just an indicator of how bad this particular administration has been. The executive branch benefited much, before the last congressional mid term election, from a Republican controlled legislature. They were able to control the agenda and table many safeguards in the form of regulation and oversight. If I am not mistaken… Bush didn’t even have to veto a bill in the first part of his administration. What I find most interesting is that these champions of limited market intervention and deregulation have fostered an environment, which has us all teetering on the edge of the worst economic crisis in American history. Their solution… to circumvent the market by huge infusions of government aid, the exact opposite of the platform their economic theory rests on. I love watching these fiscally conservative pundits stammer while trying to explain how they hate to see the markets interfered with, but just can’t seem to see another alternative. The irony is that the solution to the crisis rested in the government regulation Democrats attempted to institute in the first place! Now I must admit I am always forced to wear two hats in these arguments. I hate to see consumers and taxpayers pay the bill for inefficiency (government aid, tariffs, and the like) to protect jobs in failing industries. I don’t think it is governments, via taxpayers, responsibility. But I’m an autoworker!!! So… come on Congress get moving on some subsidies so I can start working overtime…right? I know where my true loyalties lie… in the paychecks I bring home to my family so we can chase the American dream. I know many of my coworkers, as the election approaches, are going to focus on a couple of major issues… gun rights and abortion. I would hesitate to add this third one to the list normally… but after hearing many of my unenlightened coworkers…race. I think those of you who would normally vote with these issues need to look at the price of your home…the balance of your investments… and the security of your economic future, and ask yourself who represents your interests. I know after this latest regime…. our jobs are hanging on by a thread. There are plenty of people who deserve blame for this mess on both sides. President Clinton signed the bill deregulating the banks, which most democrats would like to forget. I blame President Bush for not putting regulation back into the system. As far as conservatives giving up our issues of guns and abortion, its not going to happin. The christian community holds near and dear the right of the unborn babies to live. Call me a gun toing, church going redneck if you wish, but I would rather lose my job, than lose my values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasyfrank Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 There are plenty of people who deserve blame for this mess on both sides. President Clinton signed the bill deregulating the banks, which most democrats would like to forget. I blame President Bush for not putting regulation back into the system. As far as conservatives giving up our issues of guns and abortion, its not going to happin. The christian community holds near and dear the right of the unborn babies to live. Call me a gun toing, church going redneck if you wish, but I would rather lose my job, than lose my values. Wow, good reply....I see what you are saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Knight Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 There are plenty of people who deserve blame for this mess on both sides. President Clinton signed the bill deregulating the banks, which most democrats would like to forget. I blame President Bush for not putting regulation back into the system. As far as conservatives giving up our issues of guns and abortion, its not going to happin. The christian community holds near and dear the right of the unborn babies to live. Call me a gun toing, church going redneck if you wish, but I would rather lose my job, than lose my values. I would argue, that whether you are in opposition or support of abortion or gun control laws, your vote for either candidate in this election will not make a bit of difference. The methods for dealing with, and how the average family will prosper economically as we forward, will though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I can't believe that the banks were so stupid to make those loans. There has to be something bigger behind this whole mess. Maybe there is a plot to trigger inflation to deflate the national debt to pay for the war. The banks went along because they knew ahead of time that there would be a bail-out. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truckster Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I would argue, that whether you are in opposition or support of abortion or gun control laws, your vote for either candidate in this election will not make a bit of difference. The methods for dealing with, and how the average family will prosper economically as we forward, will though. I have to disagree with your last post. The two canidates are mile apart of the issue of gun control and abortion. Obama has a record of trying to deny law biding citizens their right to own guns. Obama's support for unlimited abortion is well known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleu Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 There are plenty of people who deserve blame for this mess on both sides. President Clinton signed the bill deregulating the banks, which most democrats would like to forget. I blame President Bush for not putting regulation back into the system. As far as conservatives giving up our issues of guns and abortion, its not going to happin. The christian community holds near and dear the right of the unborn babies to live. Call me a gun toing, church going redneck if you wish, but I would rather lose my job, than lose my values.Most who claim they are against abortions, are really only against American abortions. They still spend a lot of money shopping at Wal-Mart who stock their shelves with things that are manufactured in China. In China as you know abortion is common. In fact it's recommended by their government due to over population. So much so, that married couples choose to abort female fetusis in order to carry on the family name. So, while "christian conservatives" preach anti abortion, and still shop at Wal-Mart. They're ok with a dead Chinese fetus. Or they truley would put their money where their mouth is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99ktpbirdman Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Most who claim they are against abortions, are really only against American abortions. They still spend a lot of money shopping at Wal-Mart who stock their shelves with things that are manufactured in China. In China as you know abortion is common. In fact it's recommended by their government due to over population. So much so, that married couples choose to abort female fetusis in order to carry on the family name. So, while "christian conservatives" preach anti abortion, and still shop at Wal-Mart. They're ok with a dead Chinese fetus. Or they truley would put their money where their mouth is. Ron Gettelfinger proposed healthcare coverage for abortion. wwwaccessmylibrary.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Knight Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 I have to disagree with your last post. The two canidates are mile apart of the issue of gun control and abortion. Obama has a record of trying to deny law biding citizens their right to own guns. Obama's support for unlimited abortion is well known. I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to get across. I understand that the candidates are diametrically opposed on those issues. I'm just saying that while opposed, they are bound by the reality that they are incapable of creating any drastic change through legislation. I have always been amazed that Republicans have been able to get people to vote in opposition to their economic well being by using two issues which have so little to do with their day to day life. Not to divert from the real topic (please don't turn this into an argument whether abortion or gun rights are right or wrong)... which is what best for autoworkers. I understand your moral dilemma regarding abortion, but having the law on the books doesn't force you to have one, and thats my real point. Voting for your economic well being makes a personal change in your life... it's effects are intimate with you. While worrying about how abortion effects society regards someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99ktpbirdman Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 There are plenty of people who deserve blame for this mess on both sides. President Clinton signed the bill deregulating the banks, which most democrats would like to forget. I blame President Bush for not putting regulation back into the system. As far as conservatives giving up our issues of guns and abortion, its not going to happin. The christian community holds near and dear the right of the unborn babies to live. Call me a gun toing, church going redneck if you wish, but I would rather lose my job, than lose my values. I hear you truckster. I think you are a noble man for standing up for what you believe in. Even when the opposition out numbers you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Knight Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 There are plenty of people who deserve blame for this mess on both sides. President Clinton signed the bill deregulating the banks, which most democrats would like to forget. I blame President Bush for not putting regulation back into the system. As far as conservatives giving up our issues of guns and abortion, its not going to happin. The christian community holds near and dear the right of the unborn babies to live. Call me a gun toing, church going redneck if you wish, but I would rather lose my job, than lose my values. As for your assertion that Clinton is responsible. I hate when people try to blame the other guy when they get what they want and the results don't work out. Republicans at no time opposed this bill... in fact it was theirs... Regarding the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act you were talking about... here is a snippet copied from Wiki... The bills were introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (R-TX) and in the House of Representatives by James Leach (R-IA). The bills were passed by a 54-44 vote along party lines with Republican support in the Senate and by a 343-86 vote in the House of Representatives. Nov 4, 1999: After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90-8-1 and in the House: 362-57-15. This veto proof legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999[1] The banking industry had been seeking the repeal of Glass-Steagall since at least the 1980s. In 1987 the Congressional Research Service prepared a report which explored the case for preserving Glass-Steagall and the case against preserving the act.[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99ktpbirdman Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I wonder if the current melt down of the financial markets is the beginning of the end to conservatism or just an indicator of how bad this particular administration has been. The executive branch benefited much, before the last congressional mid term election, from a Republican controlled legislature. They were able to control the agenda and table many safeguards in the form of regulation and oversight. If I am not mistaken… Bush didn’t even have to veto a bill in the first part of his administration. What I find most interesting is that these champions of limited market intervention and deregulation have fostered an environment, which has us all teetering on the edge of the worst economic crisis in American history. Their solution… to circumvent the market by huge infusions of government aid, the exact opposite of the platform their economic theory rests on. I love watching these fiscally conservative pundits stammer while trying to explain how they hate to see the markets interfered with, but just can’t seem to see another alternative. The irony is that the solution to the crisis rested in the government regulation Democrats attempted to institute in the first place! Now I must admit I am always forced to wear two hats in these arguments. I hate to see consumers and taxpayers pay the bill for inefficiency (government aid, tariffs, and the like) to protect jobs in failing industries. I don’t think it is governments, via taxpayers, responsibility. But I’m an autoworker!!! So… come on Congress get moving on some subsidies so I can start working overtime…right? I know where my true loyalties lie… in the paychecks I bring home to my family so we can chase the American dream. I know many of my coworkers, as the election approaches, are going to focus on a couple of major issues… gun rights and abortion. I would hesitate to add this third one to the list normally… but after hearing many of my unenlightened coworkers…race. I think those of you who would normally vote with these issues need to look at the price of your home…the balance of your investments… and the security of your economic future, and ask yourself who represents your interests. I know after this latest regime…. our jobs are hanging on by a thread. And don't forget Barney Frank the chairman of the Financial Services Committee. What about Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid the two most powerful in the senate and congress they had to know something about this before it the fan. There is enough blame to go around. And don't try the class warfare spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSMJ Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I can't believe that the banks were so stupid to make those loans. There has to be something bigger behind this whole mess. Maybe there is a plot to trigger inflation to deflate the national debt to pay for the war. The banks went along because they knew ahead of time that there would be a bail-out. Just a thought. The banks were mandated to make these loans!!!!! back in 1994 clinton's admin. and the dems threatened to enact discrimination charges on them and regulate them maore if they did not support his programs for the not qualified ie. poorer people to get "Subprime" loans. saying that making people show proof of income was quote"discrimination" is the problem with what clinton and the dems did. Now as I heard a so called millionaire preacher say (clinton's liberal policies) "america's chickens are coming home" Thanks again to the liberal democrats policies!!!!!!! ALL there policies work for a little bit but in the end they lead to destruction!!!!!!!! Welfare state policies pres. johnson Unfunded 100K policeman mandate clinton Unfunded medicare programs johnson Subprime loans clinton revolking bank policies from the depression clinton SIGNING NAFTA CLINTON SIGNING GATT/WTO for China CLINTON Raising taxes Carter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) Republicans and Democrats are equally corrupt.Democracy?70% oppose the war in Iraq.70% oppose the bailout of financial institutions.What do we know?What voice do we have?This is tyranny.Create a crisis and hold the taxpayer accountable.Another bailout will be necessary.The precedent has been set.There is no responsibility.This bailout smells like a payback for all the BRIBES {lobbying}that politicians receive.Whatcha gonna do about it,Wilbur?I know,live a shitty life,a constantly stressed out life.OBEY ALL RULES!Spineless.We are all spineless. Edited September 28, 2008 by Fatso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeHighways Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 What is best for the auto worker? Did you see the debate? One of the first things Obama said"we need to TAX major corporations so they pay their fair share" I fail to see how a tax increase against Ford will help my job. And last I looked Ford is a major corporation.Maybe one of you Obama nutswingers could explain how a near bankrupt company paying higher taxes will help UAW members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skittet150 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to get across. I understand that the candidates are diametrically opposed on those issues. I'm just saying that while opposed, they are bound by the reality that they are incapable of creating any drastic change through legislation. I have always been amazed that Republicans have been able to get people to vote in opposition to their economic well being by using two issues which have so little to do with their day to day life. Not to divert from the real topic (please don't turn this into an argument whether abortion or gun rights are right or wrong)... which is what best for autoworkers. I understand your moral dilemma regarding abortion, but having the law on the books doesn't force you to have one, and thats my real point. Voting for your economic well being makes a personal change in your life... it's effects are intimate with you. While worrying about how abortion effects society regards someone else. There are two things I will never take away from any American. 1. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I will leave the conservative religous spin out of the abortion debate, and ask you to look at it from the point that every american is intitled to that. Where the debate becomes murky is exaclly when lilfe begins. Some believe at the moment of conception, others believe anywhere inbetween conception and from the time the fetus begins to take shape. Some think that even late term pregnancies can be ended, and if the fetus manages to survive, then it should be ok to allow the fetus to be cast aside and left to die. If I choose to believe that conception is when life begins, that is my right. And in my eyes, I will vote to preserve the first amendment for all Americans, born or unborn. 2. The second amendment is pretty damn clear. If you allow yourselves to believe that the second amendment is out dated, not necessary, or simply mis-interpeted, then you will allow anything in the bill of rights to be re-interpeted by our politicians, and that is just plain wrong. Again, my right to vote my way, your right to vote your way. Betting that either one of these clowns will be able to save our economy is pretty scary. I don't think either one has the smarts, or the power to do it. So at the end of the day, I choose to support the canidate that will preserve the first two amendments. You choose yours. And God help us all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Republicans and Democrats are equally corrupt.Democracy?70% oppose the war in Iraq.70% oppose the bailout of financial institutions.What do we know?What voice do we have?This is tyranny.Create a crisis and hold the taxpayer accountable.Another bailout will be necessary.The precedent has been set.There is no responsibility.This bailout smells like a payback for all the BRIBES {lobbying}that politicians receive.Whatcha gonna do about it,Wilbur?I know,live a shitty life,a constantly stressed out life.OBEY ALL RULES!Spineless.We are all spineless. There are links for Congressional and Senate phone numbers and faxes and emails. Let's Fill Every Congressional Voice Mail Box In The Country We need to man the phones and start targeting EVERYONE in Congress. Phone every legislative representative in your state. If those fill up, pick another state, even a small one. Tell them it is still no deal, Leave a short message so others can leave one. Fill every in box in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Here is the draft of the pile of shit they want to pass. http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/28/news/pdf/firstdraft.pdf Take notice of the joke of an oversight board on page 15. (B) MEMBERSHIP.—The Financial Stability Over5sight Board shall be comprised of— 6 (1) the Chairman of the Board of Governors of 7 the Federal Reserve System; 8 (2) the Secretary; 9 (3) the Director of the Federal Home Finance 10 Agency; 11 (4) the chairman of the Securities and Ex12 change Commission; amd 13 (5) the Secretary of Housing and Urban Devel14 opment. 15 © CHAIRPERSON.—The chairperson of the Financial 16 Stability Oversight Board shall be elected by the members 17 of the Board from among the members. 700 billion my ass. SEC. 115. GRADUATED AUTHORIZATION TO PURCHASE.10 (a) AUTHORITY.—The authority of the Secretary to 11 purchase troubled assets under this Act shall be limited 12 as follows: 13 (1) Effective upon the date of enactment of this 14 Act, such authority shall be limited to 15 $250,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time. 16 (2) If at any time, the President submits to the 17 Congress a written certification that the Secretary is 18 exercising the authority under this paragraph, effec- 19 tive upon such submission, such authority shall be 20 limited to $350,000,000,000 outstanding at any one 21 time. 22 (3) If at any time after obligations of amounts 23 described in paragraphs (1) and (2) have been made, 24 the President transmits to the Congress a written 25 report detailing the plan of the Secretary to exercise 51 [Discussion Draft] 1 the authority under this paragraph, unless there is 2 enacted, within 15 calendar days of such submission, 3 a joint resolution described in subsection ©, effec- 4 tive upon the expiration of such 15-day period, such 5 authority shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 out- 6 standing at any one time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is not limited to $700,000,000,000 at all, please note that AT ANY ONE TIME is still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Knight Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 There are two things I will never take away from any American. 1. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I will leave the conservative religous spin out of the abortion debate, and ask you to look at it from the point that every american is intitled to that. Where the debate becomes murky is exaclly when lilfe begins. Some believe at the moment of conception, others believe anywhere inbetween conception and from the time the fetus begins to take shape. Some think that even late term pregnancies can be ended, and if the fetus manages to survive, then it should be ok to allow the fetus to be cast aside and left to die. If I choose to believe that conception is when life begins, that is my right. And in my eyes, I will vote to preserve the first amendment for all Americans, born or unborn. 2. The second amendment is pretty damn clear. If you allow yourselves to believe that the second amendment is out dated, not necessary, or simply mis-interpeted, then you will allow anything in the bill of rights to be re-interpeted by our politicians, and that is just plain wrong. Again, my right to vote my way, your right to vote your way. Betting that either one of these clowns will be able to save our economy is pretty scary. I don't think either one has the smarts, or the power to do it. So at the end of the day, I choose to support the canidate that will preserve the first two amendments. You choose yours. And God help us all! You really don't believe that if a democrat is elected you will lose your rights under the second amendment.. do you? Or similarly, if McCAin is elected... abortion will cease? This is precisely what I mean. You are about to make a decision, with your vote, which will impact your economic health negatively, without the smallest change in the things you're voting to support. I find that amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Knight Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) What is best for the auto worker? Did you see the debate? One of the first things Obama said"we need to TAX major corporations so they pay their fair share" I fail to see how a tax increase against Ford will help my job. And last I looked Ford is a major corporation.Maybe one of you Obama nutswingers could explain how a near bankrupt company paying higher taxes will help UAW members. I wonder if you have been paying attention to what's been going on the last couple of years with the auto industry. Ford hasn't been paying a whole lot of taxes over the last couple of years as the losses continue to mount. Are you saying you would continue on this ride so Ford's tax burden can remain zero? Or that... you are worried that if changes are made and Ford returns to profitability they might have to pay a little more in taxes. I don't think your argument makes much sense. You do see that the way things are right now that your job security is in a precarious position... right? Edited September 29, 2008 by S.Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmont Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I wonder if you have been paying attention to what's been going on the last couple of years with the auto industry. Ford hasn't been paying a whole lot of taxes over the last couple of years as the losses continue to mount. Are you saying you would continue on this ride so Ford's tax burden can remain zero? Or that... you are worried that if changes are made and Ford returns to profitability they might have to pay a little more in taxes. I don't think your argument makes much sense. You do see that the way things are right now that your job security is in a precarious position... right? I think all of us have been thinking as a UAW members. What I believe as a company we have failed in design,quality and innovation. We put all our trunk eggs in 1 basket. We have not listened to our customer. Go to a ford dealership and tell me of a great experience ! I will not hold my breath. Over 4000 dealerships and they all suck!! As of politics I don't care for either of them we live in a free country not a socialist one keep goverment out of free enterprise. As of this proposed bailout or 25billion to secure low interest loans if we were minding the store and listening to our customer we would be running plants to keep up with the demand of small fuel efficient cars we don't have. Always playing catch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skittet150 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 You really don't believe that if a democrat is elected you will lose your rights under the second amendment.. do you? Or similarly, if McCAin is elected... abortion will cease? This is precisely what I mean. You are about to make a decision, with your vote, which will impact your economic health negatively, without the smallest change in the things you're voting to support. I find that amazing. What I find amazing is how you can be so confident that the one man or the one party you are going to vote for is going to change your economic situation. I really do believe that if someone who is elected doesn't support my same core values, that they will set out to change them. One indicator is the way a person has voted in the past, but the true indicator is his words. One side has nothing to lose by saying he will lower taxes for 95% of the population. If he can't do it, there well be plenty of reasons as to why he couldn't, and he will list every one. The other side has everything to lose by saying he believes life begins at conception, and he supports less restrictive gun laws. If he goes back on his word, he will forever be known as the great liar. It's about character. It's about promising to veto every bill that comes across his desk that aims to take away our rights that our founding fathers and first American citizens fought hard for. It's about selecting judges that are going to uphold the constitution. Thats what I call a stand up canadate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas30 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 What is best for the auto worker? Did you see the debate? One of the first things Obama said"we need to TAX major corporations so they pay their fair share" I fail to see how a tax increase against Ford will help my job. And last I looked Ford is a major corporation.Maybe one of you Obama nutswingers could explain how a near bankrupt company paying higher taxes will help UAW members. This is the smartest post in this topic................I am as Union as they come but also smart enough to realize that without Ford Motor Company, there is no U.A.W. Also, anyone with any amount of common sense knows who will pay for the tax increase on big corporations. We will. Of course when the ONLY reason you vote for a (joke), opps, I mean canidate, is because "he doesn't look like the other people on the dollar bills" issues become meaningless don't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilled1 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 If you like the way the country is going with high gas prices ((tripled under Bush and the Republican agenda). 4 million good tax paying American manufacturing jobs (under Bush and the Republican agenda) gone unless something changes. An endless war. A less safe world (under Bush and the Republican agenda). High inflation. Milk, Bread, staples have all tripled in the last 6 years. Mortgage crisis. Bank bail out funded by my tax dollars because of Bush and the Republican Agenda further removed the safe gaurds put in place to stop this from happening. Poverty, no middle class, high unemployment, home values less than half from just 3 years ago. My yearly income has continued to drop year after year since 2002. It is sickenig. If you like the Bush, McCain and the Republican agenda, then I guess you will like more of the same and then some. Myself, I am fed up. God bless Obama......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Knight Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 What I find amazing is how you can be so confident that the one man or the one party you are going to vote for is going to change your economic situation. I really do believe that if someone who is elected doesn't support my same core values, that they will set out to change them. One indicator is the way a person has voted in the past, but the true indicator is his words. One side has nothing to lose by saying he will lower taxes for 95% of the population. If he can't do it, there well be plenty of reasons as to why he couldn't, and he will list every one. The other side has everything to lose by saying he believes life begins at conception, and he supports less restrictive gun laws. If he goes back on his word, he will forever be known as the great liar. It's about character. It's about promising to veto every bill that comes across his desk that aims to take away our rights that our founding fathers and first American citizens fought hard for. It's about selecting judges that are going to uphold the constitution. Thats what I call a stand up canadate. I would propose that you compare the difference in the economy when Bill Clinton left office to what we have now, and you will know exactly the scope of change possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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